Hmmm, I was going to pick Brew potions at this level, but it seems you can't default on the required spell by increasing the crafting DC by 5 as with other items.
It would be a very limited selection of potions I could make, not even Bull's Strenght.
Yeah Brew Potion was the only craft feat that didn't get much love when PF redesigned everything.
Yahirma--
Sitting next to Maddok/Feral at a table of Eyes of Ten, Part 1 at NeonCon. Just met your boy Brock. Nice guy.
DM Are, Posting will be slower this weekend, but both Maddok and I have our phones handy.
Semenya has ~3600 GP which can be lent towards covering a good chunk of getting Extortion made +1 keen, if the Abadaran Paladin can abide borrowing funds. It might be a moral quandary. It might be an opportunity to discuss the merits of his faith with Semenya.
Certainly, Semenya vaguely understands that money does no good for one if it's hoarded...and that it's better to be the person receiving interest than the one paying it.
DM Are, Posting will be slower this weekend, but both Maddok and I have our phones handy.
That's fine; I have another huge post to work on (a proper description of Westcrown), so a slower rate of posting for a weekend is actually welcome for once :)
Enjoy your Con :)
Yahirma, how much extra would it cost to add "slippers of spider climbing" effects to the slippers of stealth on Semenya's list?
Insofar as I can tell - it would look like this:
Slippers of Spider Climb * 0.475 = 4800 * 0.475 = 2280
Cloak of Elvenkind * 1.5 (different slot) * 0.475 = 2500 * 0.475 = 1781.25
Total would be 2280+1782=4062, or a net of 2876 over the 1188 you have listed on the sheet.
I know that the slippers of stealth have to cost more than the cloak of elvenkind just for the difference in slots. It occurred to me that if I were paying that surcharge anyway, I might as well get something else on the footwear.
If this is kosher and my math is correct, then my lendable cash is down to about 750 GP. Lending the money to Appario for a sword upgrade is higher priority than the slippers.
Are, is there any way that Semenya (with her Extend Spell feat) can help others make magic items with "Extend Spell" built into them? For example
Con be damned, I will post!
I have an edge-case question relating to the quantity of shadowsteel. Would there be enough for a bastard sword and a dagger?
Bastard sword + dagger would be fine :)
Semenya: I'll consider the Extend Spell question, and give you an answer later today.
@Appario:
Do you want Extortion enchanted at +1 keen? I consider that a higher priority than upgrading some of Semenya's items. Between your leftover cash, Semenya's left over cash, and the 20% discount, getting it to +1 keen is within reach...
1809 gp Derek's previous wealth
7018 gp Spreadsheet post Asmodean Knot
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8827 gp
Spending:
1600 gp to enchant the rapier
1467 gp Mithral Breastplate
300 gp Tithe to Church of Cayden Caelian
100 Gp for Livias present
400 Gp Darkwood composite Shortbow
40 Gp 40 Masterwork silver arrows
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3907
8827 gp
- 3907 gp
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4920 gp (new total)
Yahirma, how much extra would it cost to add "slippers of spider climbing" effects to the slippers of stealth on Semenya's list?
Insofar as I can tell - it would look like this:
Slippers of Spider Climb * 0.475 = 4800 * 0.475 = 2280
Cloak of Elvenkind * 1.5 (different slot) * 0.475 = 2500 * 0.475 = 1781.25Rest of the Message:Total would be 2280+1782=4062, or a net of 2876 over the 1188 you have listed on the sheet.I know that the slippers of stealth have to cost more than the cloak of elvenkind just for the difference in slots. It occurred to me that if I were paying that surcharge anyway, I might as well get something else on the footwear.
If this is kosher and my math is correct, then my lendable cash is down to about 750 GP. Lending the money to Appario for a sword upgrade is higher priority than the slippers.
Are, is there any way that Semenya (with her Extend Spell feat) can help others make magic items with "Extend Spell" built into them? For example
I don't believe there is a magical item slot affinity anymore; that was from 3.5. Any item can now bear any enhancement, but the printed items in the Core Rulebook provide reasonable anchors for various enchantments. Because magical boots could muffle your footsteps, I can see the feet slot being reasonable for a stealth bonus. There would still be the x1.5 cost penalty for adding the stealth bonus, so ultimately your calculations are correct.
1809 gp Derek's previous wealth
7018 gp Spreadsheet post Asmodean Knot
---------
8827 gp
Spending:
1600 gp to enchant the rapier
1467 gp Mithral Breastplate
300 gp Tithe to Church of Cayden Caelian
100 Gp for Livias present
400 Gp Darkwood composite Shortbow
40 Gp 40 Masterwork silver arrows
--------
3907
8827 gp
- 3907 gp
----------
4920 gp (new total)
Derek, if you're willing to be a little more broke...
4920+1600=6520
The cost of a +2 enchantment on your rapier (or +1 and a special ability, like shocking) would be 6400 GP with the 20% discount. That would leave you with 120 GP left to live on.
Haha, I'm saving up for holy, Punchline will be the bane of all humourless denizens of the lower planes.
Haha, I'm saving up for holy, Punchline will be the bane of all humourless denizens of the lower planes.
Shocking about doubles your damage per hit. And Devils don't have energy resistance [electricity]. (The temptation to take Elemental Spell [electricity] was pretty high for Semenya...)
Just so everyone remembers before going broke on silver items: Vampire-DR is only overcome by things that are both magical and silver, not by something that is only one of those :)
Semenya: What type of item (or which specific items, if you have something in mind) would you want to use extend spell for? Semenya could certainly help someone make a scroll, wand, potion, rod or staff with an extended spell she knows.
Just so everyone remembers before going broke on silver items: Vampire-DR is only overcome by things that are both magical and silver, not by something that is only one of those :)
Semenya: What type of item (or which specific items, if you have something in mind) would you want to use extend spell for? Semenya could certainly help someone make a scroll, wand, potion, rod or staff with an extended spell she knows.
Well, being able to extend the duration of the slippers of spider-climb from 10 minutes to 20 minutes might be handy...but she doesn't know the spider-climbing spell. (If she did, she wouldn't really need the slippers...)
Most everyone is buying stuff that Yahirma makes that have permanent effects. If Semenya and Yahirma can collaborate (where Semenya provides the Extend Spell knowledge and Yahirma does the crafting) there may be some useful wands made. Ditto Derek with potions...
For example, an extended potion of Bull's Strength would be CL 3rd, and last for 10 minutes.
Haha, that's why you think Derek is buying all those silver items? No no, he just loves beutiful things. He probably does not even remember about vampires and silver.
And Mithril looks enough like silver to work...now if I can only get a silver bow somehow.
Anybody think Cattie Brie might consent to lend Derek heartseeker?
As for making Punchline shocking, not a bad idea, it certainly suits the concept.
"Hows that for a shocking punchline"? But being a high crit weapon I think I'd rather save it until I can get shocking burst.
I think allowing Semenya to collaborate with her knowledge of how to extend the duration of spells when others are making items is okay. The cost of the item would naturally increase, as per the increase in effective spell-level.
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I'll be okay with Derek adding shocking now (for a +1 bonus) and then paying the difference in cost to upgrade to shocking burst later (effectively another +1 bonus, for a +2 bonus in total), similar to how the 3.5 Magic Item Compendium handled those types of effects.
Yahirma's feat progression is far from mapped, and there is plenty of wiggle room. Are there items others are interested in having crafted over time? I've heard several references to wands, which I could start making at this level. My other eventual interests include rods. Normally I'm excited about staves, but they don't strike as being so useful in a party of spontaneous casters.
At present Yahirma is going to take Spell Penetration, but I can be persuaded otherwise.
@Appario:
Do you want Extortion enchanted at +1 keen? I consider that a higher priority than upgrading some of Semenya's items. Between your leftover cash, Semenya's left over cash, and the 20% discount, getting it to +1 keen is within reach...
Sorry for the late reply, Semenya, been conning it up.
I'm interested in the +1 keening, but have other priorities at this time.
We'll see what happens.
@Appario:
Do you want Extortion enchanted at +1 keen? I consider that a higher priority than upgrading some of Semenya's items. Between your leftover cash, Semenya's left over cash, and the 20% discount, getting it to +1 keen is within reach...
Sorry for the late reply, Semenya, been conning it up.
I'm interested in the +1 keening, but have other priorities at this time.
We'll see what happens.
Fair enough. I'll go for the dual purpose slippers.
Yahirma's feat progression is far from mapped, and there is plenty of wiggle room. Are there items others are interested in having crafted over time? I've heard several references to wands, which I could start making at this level. My other eventual interests include rods. Normally I'm excited about staves, but they don't strike as being so useful in a party of spontaneous casters.
At present Yahirma is going to take Spell Penetration, but I can be persuaded otherwise.
Have you looked at Piercing Spell?
(The temptation to get Piercing Spell, Spell Penetration and Greater Spell Penetration - and effectively be able to add 9 to my caster level checks - is kind of appealing...)
Making wands is a challenge for a spontaneous caster...
Almost 24 hours with no posts!
What am I supposed to read between between games?!
My excuse is that I've been away all day :)
My excuse is that I've been away all day :)
Likewise. On the other hand, the busy game day granted me my first opportunity to run Midnight Mauler. Good times for all.
"It was her idea for us to star in the murderplay
That was actually Yahirma's idea; After the Pathfinder asked if anyone had any ideas for how to get into the Mayor's vault, Yahirma brought up that Amaya had mentioned the murderplay and the feast that was to follow it :)
I'm about to board my flight back to the Bay Area.
I'll try to get a post up when I get home (4 hours or so).
Appario needs to give Derek a hard time for forgetting something....
Okay...so, going with the gold total from the spreadsheet:
8452.6 gp
- 4905.5 gp
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3547.1 gp (new total)Still deciding what else to buy/get. Probably will enchant armor and sword (1000 gp and 2000gp respectively).
Getting more caught up after this weekend's activities.
3547.1 gp (previous total)
-150 gp (Tarvi bejeweling of Extortion)
-200 gp (Extra gems/jewels for Appario's new armor, Indemnity)
-150 gp (Tip and service to Tarvi for services rendered for Indemnity)
-2000 gp Adding +1 enchant to Extortion
-1000 gp Adding +1 enchant to Indemnity
+ 675 gp Sale of previous armor
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722.1 gp new total
I've updated Appario's profile with results of updated gear and purchases.
Is that buying Apparios forgivness or replacing the gems?
I'm just waiting for the bill my man. You're the banker, so bank.
Forgiveness ain't cheap, heh.
I assume Indemnity in Appario's armor?
Is that buying Apparios forgivness or replacing the gems?
I'm just waiting for the bill my man. You're the banker, so bank.
Lol. I don't think Appario is going to bill you. If Derek is sorry for the actions that lead to Appario getting gacked, then I'll leave it up to him to decide how he wants to express that regret to Appario.
Appario, as 'twisted' as it may sound with our Judeo-Christian influences, is less moved by 'empty' words of regret and more towards financial compensation (i.e. abusive indulgences), which I think is in line with the teachings of the Abadaran faith.
I'll let Derek do what he wants to do (even nothing) and we'll roleplay it out. Not sure what Appario's eventual response will be.
Forgiveness ain't cheap, heh.
I assume Indemnity in Appario's armor?
Yes.
.in·dem·ni·ty (n-dmn-t)
n. pl. in·dem·ni·ties
1. Security against damage, loss, or injury.
2. Compensation for damage, loss, or injury suffered.
Thanks, I feel one word smarter!
I was a bit unclear because Appario showed up, nabbed his new armor, and left to get it bejeweled without saying a word during his whirlwind of time travel.
I'm not sure how much longer the talking head thing is going to continue but I think Maddok is up for tackling Delvehaven now. Hopefully between Livia and whatever information Ailyn gets from the translated poem we have enough to get inside in one piece.
That is, unless Derek wanted to try tracking down the 'dead' pathfinders first.
Are, would you be alright with us starting that investigation now (assumedly the next day or something), similar to Derek's 3-way conversation that was going on a few posts back?
I can multitask :)
By the way, until she's addressed in Common, the erinyes will continue to use Infernal; it's her native language, after all. She won't make the suggestion to switch, so that would fall to Yahirma (or one of the others present could suggest it to Yahirma).
Maddok tried talking to her in common a while ago.
I assumed she couldn't understand me.
That was before Yahirma calmed her down with her successful diplomacy :)
By the way, any of the regular Gardeners listed with a character level in the "Campaign Info" tab could be enlisted to either join in fact-finding missions or be asked to do them alone.
That's not a bad idea.
I'm holding off on training Maddok's protege until Derek brings it up. =P
Listen, if Dereks visit to that druniken nobelwoman is going to hold up us advancing the plot then I'm willing to post pone it, I don't want to be a roadblock here.
As soon as it is morning, Derek will go find this master of the bloodsport and see if we can barging for visitation rights.
I don't think Are was saying that, in fact he just confirmed that he's okay handling a staggered timeline (what you were doing with the director earlier).
If Derek wants to hunt down these dead pathfinders Maddok can take a couple of the NPC Gardeners and look for information on Heavenscape while Derek visits the bloodsport guy.
I completely forgot that Derek was going to locate the drunk noblewoman, sorry. It's not holding up any part of the plot.
You can assume that Derek knows where the Tilernos family lives.
I completely forgot that Derek was going to locate the drunk noblewoman, sorry. It's not holding up any part of the plot.
You can assume that Derek knows where the Tilernos family lives.
Trying to find ways to re-insert Appario into any of the tasks at hand, let me know if (and how) I can help.
Is Appario good at calculating the odds? Because Derek might just drag him along to visit Mr Bloodsport, maybe we can make a penny out of it.
Is Appario good at calculating the odds? Because Derek might just drag him along to visit Mr Bloodsport, maybe we can make a penny out of it.
Calculating odds? Hmm...I don't think so unless it's tied into market speculations.
He can do math (someone has to check the accounting books), but not sure oddtastic he is.
HP:
Skills (+10):
+1 Perception
+1 Acrobatics
+1 Stealth
+1 Prof (Brewer)
+1 Perform: Act
+1 Perform: Oratory
+1 Knowledge: The Planes.
+1 Climb
+1 Sense motive
+1 Linguistics
Feat:
Skill Focus: Knowledge (The Planes)
Class abilities:
Inspire courage +2
Loremaster 1/Day
Spells:
Sleep swaped for Feather Step
Blur
Finally managed to figure out a feat to take instead of Brew potions, useful, even if I took if because of what it unlocks later.
Also, shame moment for me, I've been doing too much damage all the time.
Silver weapons have a penalty to damage damnit, I just realized that when I was updating Derek.
Yahirma, DM Are--
I think the charm Yahirma gave Appario may be broken.
If I recall correctly, the charm is destroyed by Detect Magic and Appario was subject to several Detect Magics in the final battle in the sludge and the subsequent attempts (working with Livia) to find magic within the sludge.
Just wanted to confirm if it's broken or not.
I suspect the charm breaks only when one focuses on it sufficiently to identify its properties. Otherwise a wizard with arcane sight could demolish an entire cottage industry by walking through town.
That said, the charm needs to have been reconstituted into its constituent parts soon after getting back from the demiplane, as the charms only last for a limited time.
Finally managed to figure out a feat to take instead of Brew potions, useful, even if I took if because of what it unlocks later.
Also, shame moment for me, I've been doing too much damage all the time.
Silver weapons have a penalty to damage damnit, I just realized that when I was updating Derek.
Yeah, that's one of the advantages of mithril weapons over silver.
Team Spontaneous Arcane Casters (Derek, Maddok, and Semenya):
Did either of you plan on taking Haste within the next level or two? I was considering it for Maddok but I don't foresee myself having the spell slots to spare on a regular basis.
Yahirma might take Blessing of Fervor at 8th level, but that's still months away.
Finally managed to figure out a feat to take instead of Brew potions, useful, even if I took if because of what it unlocks later.
Also, shame moment for me, I've been doing too much damage all the time.
Silver weapons have a penalty to damage damnit, I just realized that when I was updating Derek.
Yeah, that's one of the advantages of mithril weapons over silver.
Team Spontaneous Arcane Casters (Derek, Maddok, and Semenya):
Did either of you plan on taking Haste within the next level or two? I was considering it for Maddok but I don't foresee myself having the spell slots to spare on a regular basis.
Semenya will probably be taking the following spells:
6th: Fireball. It's thematic, if, ah, less than useful against fireproof foes. Plus, does nearly 50% more damage with her combination of bonuses for those handful of foes it does work on.
7th: Haste, Acid Arrow.
I could be persuaded to swap Haste and Fireball. We aren't seeing a lot of "fights against mooks" where Fireball would be useful...and Haste is ALWAYS useful. :)