Which playable ancestries will be in the Bestiary?


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Whether or not player rules for things like bugbears and hobgoblins end up in the final Bestiary or a separate PDF, they should at least be in the playtest Bestiary file. After all, those races and their ancestry feats will need to be playtested too.

(And since it sounds like the first Bestiary will be the size of the CRB, space in the published book may not actually be an issue after all. At 500+ pages, you could definitely spare 4 pages each for a number of monsters to be fully ancestried-up.)

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I'd hope we get Orcs, Hobgoblins, Kobolds, Drow, Aasimar, and Tieflings.

Any or all of the other Races listed in the ARG or other products would also work, but to be honest, I'd sorta rather we got a Big Ancestry Book rather than trying to shoehorn too many into the Bestiary. That'd also probably work to get just about every PC race from PF1 into PF2. You could easily throw in some that didn't work in PF1 due to racial HD such as Lizardfolk, Centaurs, Gnolls, and Bugbears. It'd be cool.

I doubt we'll get any of these in the playtest, though.


I don't know if 496 pages of monsters and 4 pages of ancestries in one book is preferable to 500 pages of monsters and putting all the ancestries in a separate book.

Just for ease of looking stuff up.

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Hopefully 1e ancestries (including bestiary 5 and 6 ones) are in new big ancestry book at least instead of being recycled for bestiary <_<


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Deadmanwalking wrote:


Any or all of the other Races listed in the ARG or other products would also work, but to be honest, I'd sorta rather we got a Big Ancestry Book rather than trying to shoehorn too many into the Bestiary. That'd also probably work to get just about every PC race from PF1 into PF2. You could easily throw in some that didn't work in PF1 due to racial HD such as Lizardfolk, Centaurs, Gnolls, and Bugbears. It'd be cool.

I'll go ahead an echo this dedicated Ancestries book (Ancestries of Golarion or such.) I'd rather keep the sort of afterthought type situations limited within the scope of PF2e's first outings.

Though as to the topic on hand, I'd be in for Ratfolk, non silly non crippled kobolds, Gnolls and Ghoran personally.


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With the new approach of Ancestry feats I'm betting we are going to get 0 playable races in Bestiaries, and I think that is great.

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I will disagree with that. New races showing up in bestiaries meant new races actually show up more often. More options, new ideas, etc, came from Bestiaries.


Goblins hopefully [for the actual game, as I know the playtest has them as core]. For others, I'd love to see all the current races that have a writeup that are in the bestiary to get a bare bones ancestry. they could them expand on them latter with a big book of ancestry for those that want/need more than the bare bones.

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I don't know if 496 pages of monsters and 4 pages of ancestries in one book is preferable to 500 pages of monsters and putting all the ancestries in a separate book.

Just for ease of looking stuff up.

I don't know why it'd have to be one or the other. Humans in core didn't stop them from being in the race guide.


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Personally I'd prefer ancestries out of the bestiary, and in their own book. I still think of Bestiaries as predominantly a GM book, while ancestries are primarily a player book. I'm not liking the SF model of mixing everything together (lore + player options + some equipment + some monsters + etc). I understand it makes sense if you're not going to have dedicated lines. If you try to mix them I feel like especially for the length of material needed for ancestries/feats/etc it'll feel out of place in the bestiary.


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I dunno...given that monster rules are going to be divorced at least somewhat from Player rules, I don't think we are going to get any.

With ancestry, it's not just some starting stats and a few abilities. It's also a variety of ancestry traits keyed to that ancestry.

Now let's say...each core rulebook ancestry gets 20 feats (just guessing...I have no clue really). Unless a hypothetical bestiary with race information includes a comparable number of feats or at least 4 or 5, that ancestry won't be viable to play anyway, because you would run out of feats or have to borrow them from another race. That's why I am inclined to think that the bestiary may simply have monster versions of those races and a later book (A savage race book for Pathfinder?) will have the others.

EDIT: Of course I could be completely wrong. Don't get me wrong, I would like to see 0HD races or whatever they are now called in the bestiary. I just don't know for sure how it will work alongside ancestries, unless we just scavenge and convert old racial traits and feats over from PF1E (which might be a viable option until they get reprinted in a PF2E book.


Ancestries are probably taking too much space to present them in the monster book anyway, with all those ancestry feats and stuff.

I'd prefer them in a separate book, and then with some more extra options.

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