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Wasn't trying to be insulting.
And in rl I agree, it would be a compliment.
Its easier to have morals and standards when we are not really threatened.
Can be seen in how most people think torture is horrible, but its kinda ok if you torture terrorists.Pfo is not real life.
Its a virtual place, where we can actually loose something (virtually).
Having high standars here is ok, as long as most hold these.You can say, that if one of the largest groups do not, that its time to take off the gloves.
There wont be a virtual UN to step in when soldiers run over your sit down pacifist show.So, while acting like Ghandi in game would be noble, I don't think it wilk be the way to survive and stay in the game
Ah, I could loose everything in game...and because it is a game...I would not really be loosing anything. Personally I have more fun being playing a character that is the type of person I would aspire to be in RL. I would not enjoy not having principles, morals, and standards. For me, maintaining those and winning is the challenge. Not winning, but maintaining the morals would be bearable, winning and not maintaining the morals would not be...in a game where I do not really loose anything.
My purpose was never to harm The Roseblood Accord. My entire purpose - and I have no doubt everyone will make up their own mind as to whether or not I'm being honest - was to try to encourage the players of Pathfinder Online to choose to foster a community where the actions of the players are held accountable rather than ignored.Nihimon is a very reasonable guys. You could have politely PMed him about his mistake and he could have edited the mistake out or publicly announced his mistake.
Not to call you out so much as to make public the right way to go about these kinds of things without causing drama.
Pot, Kettle
Kettle, Pot
Speaking of Pot, why do you continue to stir it?Pot, Kettle
Kettle, Pot
Please don't misconstrue my actions as anything other than well meaning high-jinks. :)
[Thats what the Paxman Alias is for]
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I think it's a little premature to predict the future like this. I feel The Roseblood Accord is a bunch of people that want to play with each other and not throw fingers at each other on the forums.
HEY TEO! CATCH!
HEY TEO! CATCH!
I think it's a little premature to predict the future like this. I feel The Roseblood Accord is a bunch of people that want to play with each other and not throw fingers at each other on the forums.
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Deathwatch is taking internal votes right now about our theme going forward. We're looking at becoming a Bounty Hunter guild for the group. Whaddy'all think o' dat?
Are there any other companies in the Accord with such a theme?
Audacity is going have a heavy emphasis on contract work, bounties included. I would not say we could be considered the bounty hunter group though, because we do not focus solely on bounty hunting.
That said, we do focus on all things contract related.
I think specializing will still help us with recruitment efforts. We obviously don't expect we'll be the only group in the game handling bounties (that would be silly). However, we:
a) don't want to step on anyone toes within the Accord, andb) want to find something "unique" that might attract new recruits.
So... can we consider the thread derailed?
I certainly hope not. :(
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My purpose was never to harm The Roseblood Accord. My entire purpose - and I have no doubt everyone will make up their own mind as to whether or not I'm being honest - was to try to encourage the players of Pathfinder Online to choose to foster a community where the actions of the players are held accountable rather than ignored.Nihimon is a very reasonable guys. You could have politely PMed him about his mistake and he could have edited the mistake out or publicly announced his mistake.
Not to call you out so much as to make public the right way to go about these kinds of things without causing drama.
I'm actually grateful when people point my mistakes out publicly. It gives me an opportunity to be seen to be what I really am when I publicly admit I was wrong without making accusations about the people correcting me.
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The only sensible thing you can do, is use the same methods as Pax.
Get those votes and back up smaller guilds.
Unite and make it clear to everyone that you are a force that stands together.Principles are all good, but not when you are the only one living by them.
Don't you see? The most important time to stay true to your principles is when it looks like you're the only one who is. The Seventh Veil will never adopt the Pax/UNC position that it's okay to do anything we can get away with as long as there's not an explicit rule against it that's clearly defined by Goblinworks.
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Don't you see? The most important time to stay true to your principles is when it looks like you're the only one who is. The Seventh Veil will never adopt the Pax/UNC position that it's okay to do anything we can get away with as long as there's not an explicit rule against it that's clearly defined by Goblinworks.The only sensible thing you can do, is use the same methods as Pax.
Get those votes and back up smaller guilds.
Unite and make it clear to everyone that you are a force that stands together.Principles are all good, but not when you are the only one living by them.
This is too important to NOT repeat.
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Which is exactly why more people would rather play the game and join TEO (or Roseblood) than not.
I'm glad to hear that TEO had so much foresight that they managed to look forward in time while Andius was still around, see that Pax Golgotha would be super scary a year in the future, and prepare ahead of time. Before we even existed, in fact! That is skill!
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I'm glad to hear that TEO had so much foresight that they managed to look forward in time while Andius was still around, see that Pax Golgotha would be super scary a year in the future, and prepare ahead of time. Before we even existed, in fact! That is skill!
You've either got it or you don't ;)
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It doesn't take skill, just a desire for a positive game-play environment. You sound like you are already planing on invading and conquering, and I think more (most?) people would rather have fun building up their settlements and companies, perfecting their crafting and trading, joining together in PvE and growing the world than tearing down what others have built/accomplished. Isn't there room for everyone to thrive?
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Morbis is just ribbing us. It's all good. We can handle it.
To be clear, though I do have issue with a very select few members of the Accord, this is meant as just friendly ribbing. I still consider the vast majority of you as friendly folk that I will happily play with in the future.
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Ah, I could loose everything in game...and because it is a game...I would not really be loosing anything. Personally I have more fun being playing a character that is the type of person I would aspire to be in RL. I would not enjoy not having principles, morals, and standards. For me, maintaining those and winning is the challenge. Not winning, but maintaining the morals would be bearable, winning and not maintaining the morals would not be...in a game where I do not really loose anything.
This is the stance I have been advocating as well, and personally feel we have the chance at succeeding at it.
the Pax/UNC position that it's okay to do anything we can get away with as long as there's not an explicit rule against it that's clearly defined by Goblinworks.
Nihimon, I think it may be a little premature to claim that this is an actual position of their whole group. We've had a single instance so far that exists in that gray area. It does not seem to be enough to make a trend. If you feel they have acted as such in this event, you have every right to speak up as you have been for this one event, but I think it would only be appropriate to allow a bit more time to pass and more examples of behavior to make a judgement call on their company-wide policy. They may not come out spotless, but they may look better than you see them to be at the moment in this one issue.
To all, frequently in politics we lose so much discussion value because all of the rhetoric begins drifting to attack the "other guys" and we miss out on substantial and thoughtful debate over single issues. And hopefully, if you come to think about it deeply, you will realize that both yourselves and the other guys have a vision for what good looks like. And when you think about what good looks like, it is always about making sure that some set of issues are resolved. But our politics rarely get to resolving those issues, even when they wish to see the same issues resolved in the same way because they are too busy trying to attack each other at a broad level in order to fight the issues they disagree with.
When we start attacking people and groups, we lose the ability to collaborate on the things we agree with because of our focus on the things that we disagree with. Let us discuss issues. Let us discuss them calmly and rationally. Being able to maturely disagree and debate without resulting to personal attacks will build more respect between individuals and organizations that do not get along than even organizations that always get along could establish.
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@Lifedragn Excellent points, thank you.
I think specializing will still help us with recruitment efforts. We obviously don't expect we'll be the only group in the game handling bounties (that would be silly). However, we:
a) don't want to step on anyone toes within the Accord, and
b) want to find something "unique" that might attract new recruits.
No toes stepped on here! In fact, we would be glad to hire you ourselves.
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Morbis is just ribbing us. It's all good. We can handle it.To be clear, though I do have issue with a very select few members of the Accord, this is meant as just friendly ribbing. I still consider the vast majority of you as friendly folk that I will happily play with in the future.
Issues come and go, and frankly if you didn't have issue with at least one out of a couple hundred people... emphasis on the trail of ellipses.
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Thank you for saying that, Morbis. I really didn't want to have to dislike a gnome.But EVERYONE dislikes gnomes.
There short, sneaky and taste great with tea and crumpets!
No the only one who hates gnomes, to quote Kev from Zogonia
"No one Avenges a Gnome,
Like No one Avenges a Squirrel."
That and they are pranksters.
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Thank you for saying that, Morbis. I really didn't want to have to dislike a gnome.But EVERYONE dislikes gnomes.
There short, sneaky and taste great with tea and crumpets!
No the only one who hates gnomes, to quote Kev from Zogonia
"No one Avenges a Gnome,
Like No one Avenges a Squirrel."That and they are pranksters.
I LUV squirrels.
I will wardec for squirrels!!!
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Thank you for saying that, Morbis. I really didn't want to have to dislike a gnome.But EVERYONE dislikes gnomes.
There short, sneaky and taste great with tea and crumpets!
No the only one who hates gnomes, to quote Kev from Zogonia
"No one Avenges a Gnome,
Like No one Avenges a Squirrel."That and they are pranksters.
I LUV squirrels.
I will wardec for squirrels!!!
UNLEASH THE HOUNDS OF WAR!!!!
Hounds start running forward only to suddenly stop... "SQUIRREL!!"
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Thank you for saying that, Morbis. I really didn't want to have to dislike a gnome.But EVERYONE dislikes gnomes.
There short, sneaky and taste great with tea and crumpets!
No the only one who hates gnomes, to quote Kev from Zogonia
"No one Avenges a Gnome,
Like No one Avenges a Squirrel."That and they are pranksters.
I LUV squirrels.
I will wardec for squirrels!!!
UNLEASH THE HOUNDS OF WAR!!!!
Hounds start running forward only to suddenly stop... "SQUIRREL!!"
Oddly enough, Aeternum has a group called the Hounds and this sounds EXACTLY like something they'd do... ;)
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I would like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that the Roseblood Accord is made up of a number of relatively small guilds that are all committed to positive gameplay and want to help each other succeed.
We are not affiliated with any mega-guilds. We're just players who are really interested in Pathfinder Online, many of us having very high hopes that Ryan's vision of "lots of meaningful PvP; little meaningless PvP" can work, and that members of the community will voluntarily refuse to adopt the attitude that "everything not forbidden is permitted".
We hope this message is getting through.
I think this is the wrong way to go.
If you stand back and let Pax do whatever they want, there will be no game left for you guys after awhile.
The only sensible thing you can do, is use the same methods as Pax.
Get those votes and back up smaller guilds.
Unite and make it clear to everyone that you are a force that stands together.Principles are all good, but not when you are the only one living by them.
If you stick to your guns on this, you will end up sticking to them without being able to play PFO.
Actually, I've been thinking about this, and in many ways, T7V being brought low due to some of its members voicing their honest opinions in favor of what they feel is fair gameplay is quite a compelling story...
Playing as 'the Exiled' could be a lot of fun, and I think it would make for a great story, whatever the outcome. (The focus towards facilitating RP in PFO has me thinking that this game could be my first RP experience =P)
Hmm, maybe I shouldn't be posting this in a recruitment thread XD
"JOIN ME! I AIM FOR VICTORY IN BATTLE BUT I REALLY WOULDN'T MIND DEFEAT!!!"
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the Pax/UNC position that it's okay to do anything we can get away with as long as there's not an explicit rule against it that's clearly defined by Goblinworks.Nihimon, I think it may be a little premature to claim that this is an actual position of their whole group. We've had a single instance so far that exists in that gray area. It does not seem to be enough to make a trend. If you feel they have acted as such in this event, you have every right to speak up as you have been for this one event, but I think it would only be appropriate to allow a bit more time to pass and more examples of behavior to make a judgement call on their company-wide policy. They may not come out spotless, but they may look better than you see them to be at the moment in this one issue.
A prominent member of Pax Gaming and of this community for whom I have a lot of respect - especially because of the extremely civil tone he used in his Private Message to me - asked me about this same thing. Being who I am, I wanted to make sure I was remembering correctly, and could back up what I'm about to say with proof before I said anything.
Ryan placed three restrictions on us:
1. If you, as a Guild, won a Settlement in LR1, don't create a second entry for LR2;
2. If you, as a Player, voted for a Guild that won a Settlement in LR1, don't vote for a different Guild in LR2; and
3. If you, as a Player, intend to play as part of a Guild that won a Setttlement in LR1, don't vote for a different Guild in LR2.
Pax Gaming violated of those requests.
I understand folks might look at any one violation and say there were special circumstances, or it was an honest mistake. But when all three are violated, I think it's clearly a matter of policy. I won't rehash requests 1 or 3, but I think some folks may be under the impression that Pax Gaming didn't violate the 2nd request. In fact, they did.
We are losing 3 votes from Golgotha because they are locked into Aeturnum.
They were "locked into Aeternum" because those players had already cast their votes for Pax Aeternum in LR1.
Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is policy.
I believe this makes it abundantly clear that Pax Gaming has a deliberate policy to violate any "rule" they think they can get away with if it gives them an advantage over others.
None of this would have come to light had some members of the community not insisted that Pax Gaming answer for what appeared to be a flagrant violation of the rules. Pax Golgotha would still have votes that had already been cast for Pax Aeternum in LR1 and Pax Gaming would still be encouraging new members of Pax Aeternum to vote for Pax Golgotha.
You may think I'm impolite for bringing this up, or for refusing to let it go, but I don't think it's fair to suggest I'm being anything but scrupulously honest. Principles matter.
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2. If you, as a Player, voted for a Guild that won a Settlement in LR1, don't vote for a different Guild in LR2;
That thing did not happen. That thing never happened. To be clear.
We are willing to back that up. I, personally, am willing to make public our private talks in which we discussed the possibility of that happening, and our determination that it would not.
the Pax/UNC position that it's okay to do anything we can get away with as long as there's not an explicit rule against it that's clearly defined by Goblinworks.Nihimon, I think it may be a little premature to claim that this is an actual position of their whole group. We've had a single instance so far that exists in that gray area. It does not seem to be enough to make a trend. If you feel they have acted as such in this event, you have every right to speak up as you have been for this one event, but I think it would only be appropriate to allow a bit more time to pass and more examples of behavior to make a judgement call on their company-wide policy. They may not come out spotless, but they may look better than you see them to be at the moment in this one issue.A prominent member of Pax Gaming and of this community for whom I have a lot of respect - especially because of the extremely civil tone he used in his Private Message to me - asked me about this same thing. Being who I am, I wanted to make sure I was remembering correctly, and could back up what I'm about to say with proof before I said anything.
Ryan placed three restrictions on us:
1. If you, as a Guild, won a Settlement in LR1, don't create a second entry for LR2;
2. If you, as a Player, voted for a Guild that won a Settlement in LR1, don't vote for a different Guild in LR2; and
3. If you, as a Player, intend to play as part of a Guild that won a Setttlement in LR1, don't vote for a different Guild in LR2.Pax Gaming violated of those requests.
I understand folks might look at any one violation and say there were special circumstances, or it was an honest mistake. But when all three are violated, I think it's clearly a matter of policy. I won't rehash requests 1 or 3, but I think some folks may be under the impression that Pax Gaming didn't violate the 2nd request. In fact, they did....
Nihimon, remember that time I talked about a petty crusade based on smearing the Pax Gaming Community?
You're doing that thing again.
1: Pax is not a guild. Rule not broken.
2: No one from Aeternum who voted in LR1 voted for LR2. Rule not broken.
3: Granted we did make this mistake, it was a misinterpretation of the rules and we corrected this error. Rule breaking was not hidden as we didn't know we were breaking a rule so correct me if I'm wrong then no rule is currently broken at this time.
Thats three strikes Nihimon - You're out!
I don't know how many times I can reiterate it.
Three people out of 60 accidentally voted for the wrong settlement. Policy my left ass cheek!
Give it up Nihimon, you're starting to sound like a spoiled child who when big daddy Dancey didn't back you up throws their tows out of their playpen.
Don't spread lies and vitriol about my Company and community.