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I want to Echo Carbon's words. The Roseblood Accord is a meta-game agreement about positive game play. Can we have positive game play when one member is focused on supporting an all-Elf settlement. Absolutely, because there are numerous other options for Players to enjoy the game as other races in other settlements. I'm not looking to reignite the previous "what does this mean" firestorm, but I do want to be on the record for what the Accord means to me. The moment the Roseblood Accord becomes some policing force to tell players what races they can play, or what settlements can allow from an RP perspective, it has lost all meaning.
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Welcome, Taur-Im-Duinath!
My apologies if this will look hostile in any way but I feel very strongly regarding this topic. This question goes to all members of RA: how is a settlement that has what is basically RP racism at its core compatible with Roseblood?
In a game world with slavery and racism, we need to make the distinction between Good (IC) values and Good (OOC) players. RA is about people dedicated to being Good players, not Good characters.
To me, this means that Roseblood Accord players whose characters may have what we consider OOC 'bad' behaviors will be especially attentive to the effects that their character's words/actions are having on other players. If they sense something amiss, I expect players that are dedicated to positive gameplay will make sure that other players know they do not intend to offend anybody (through OOC means, speaking player-to-player), and perhaps veer the [IC] conversation away from topics that are disturbing to another player.
On the other hand, if you feel you are especially sensitive to the topic and will have a difficult time separating the [IC] embodiment from the [OOC] issues in the world, you should probably avoid interaction with these characters; you can even make an [IC] reason to do so. Then both parties of Good players will be much more comfortable.
I hope this post isn't seen as an attack on anybody's idea of 'playing nice.' I'm glad you asked the question and welcome any other views on the subject.
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Is Roseblood Good organizations only?
Easy answer: nope. Not with the first five signatories consisting of four Neutral groups :-).
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In character racist Elves or Dwarves is extremely positive game play. To base a settlement on a race restriction is a very lofty goal in a game like this and it shows a pretty hard core dedication to playing Pathfinder the right way.
There is zero connection between playing fluff and being players who are intolerant of race, sex or sexuality. The latter are all forbidden by the Roseblood Accord and I don't think I have to ask for anybody's permission to say that.
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I am happy that Taur-im-Duinath has recently expanded from "elf only" to "elves and elf friends", and they also seem to have toned down the racial superiority rhetoric.
Some of their initial company description did make me a little uncomfortable with the "lesser races" language.
As for Deepforge, we've always wanted a settlement where Dwarven culture can be celebrated and protected, but we've tried to avoid the elements of xenophobia and rejection of other viewpoints that can turn pride in one's heritage into outright racism.
That being said, we can't help the fact that superior beard length does provide us with a number of innate advantages.
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In Skyrim-speak, Taur Im Duinath's very first post seemed a bit Third Aldmeri Dominion, but I've not gotten that vibe from them since then. I, as so many of us, admire good in-character play, and I think we've nothing to worry ourselves about out-of-character.
I hope we get to see some gentle poking from one side to the other; gives the rest of us a chance to join in.
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On the other hand, if you feel you are especially sensitive to the topic and will have a difficult time separating the [IC] embodiment from the [OOC] issues in the world, you should probably avoid interaction with these characters; you can even make an [IC] reason to do so. Then both parties of Good players will be much more comfortable.
I think additional information is required on my part to maybe clarify my position.
While i frequently role play in pen and paper RPGs and LARPs I never do so in a videogame so I am by definition never IC. (RPG means progression system in videogame terms for me and explicitly not an improv like activity)
I have no desire in dealing with the issues I have in real live in a video game as it's an escapist pastime for me.
In context to the above quoted paragraph my intention even if not directly expressed was to find out if I am in for not interacting with one of my allies.
If I understood the posts above and the thread that popped up a bit ago this is not the case.
Again I apologies if I seemed hostile or extremely out of left field with my question or the ways i expressed myself. I needed this to be clear now and not a nasty surprise later.
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I thank you all for your warm welcome and I have no doubt that we will have great fun playing together and making of PFO an amazing experience.
Alignment, culture, resources may create IC tensions between some of us, but we will manage them responsively and properly. IC interactions can be dirty, vicious and heinous as long as OOC are still cordial and in respect of other players.
That said, at this time I do not expect any conflict IC between Taur-im-Duinath and any of the signatories. I even did a specific post to address the Dwarves/Elves issue that I saw not only here but in other threads.
As for your inquiry Papaver, I absolutely did not took them as hostile but as a genuine concern because you don't know us. We did change the overall tone of TiD's charter not because we didn't like the concept (of racist Elves) but because it was too narrow and not representative of Elves globally. To be frank I *do* hope that we will manage to build a Company of supremacists Elves, preferably good at PVPing because this is a part of Elven culture also and IMO it will add to the flavor of the game including internally for us.
But I want to stress that there will be a zero tolerance against any player that has the slightest confusion between playing a racist and acting as one OOC.
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I am uncertain so far if I want to join or form a guild.
However I am all for the Roseblood Accord. The group I play table top with IRL has a "plays nice with others" rule which is pretty much what I understand the RA to be all about.
Helping new players learn the game, and new characters to succeed at what they choose to do.In short, count me in the RA.
My intent, for my first character, is to be a Craftsman/merchant first, and a prospector/miner/scout second.
Brian
P.S. Check out http://www.dexposure.com/home.html to find out about DexCon coming up in July in Morristown NJ.
Brian, we (Deathwatch) were considering the same. In fact, we had already created our website, posted things on the forums about ourselves, and even joined the land rush. In the end, we ended up pulling out of the land rush and working with The Seventh Veil to get in on their already-guaranteed settlement, Phaeros. However, we did decide to stay as our own independent company (with which, we joined the Roseblood Accord as well) for the time being, and we're going to see if we can recruit some more outsiders.
Speaking of which - you're welcome to join us and help us form. ;)
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I would like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that the Roseblood Accord is made up of a number of relatively small guilds that are all committed to positive gameplay and want to help each other succeed.
We are not affiliated with any mega-guilds. We're just players who are really interested in Pathfinder Online, many of us having very high hopes that Ryan's vision of "lots of meaningful PvP; little meaningless PvP" can work, and that members of the community will voluntarily refuse to adopt the attitude that "everything not forbidden is permitted".
We hope this message is getting through.
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So, how is Covenant of the Pheonix going?
If you like, we can try to hook you up with an Ambassador to TEO on the CotP forums? Won't get you access to anyone but TEO, but you're welcome to visit!
As for CotP, I recently got promoted to Sentry, the lowest level of leadership. That's about all the CotP news!
I would like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that the Roseblood Accord is made up of a number of relatively small guilds that are all committed to positive gameplay and want to help each other succeed.
We are not affiliated with any mega-guilds. We're just players who are really interested in Pathfinder Online, many of us having very high hopes that Ryan's vision of "lots of meaningful PvP; little meaningless PvP" can work, and that members of the community will voluntarily refuse to adopt the attitude that "everything not forbidden is permitted".
We hope this message is getting through.
Current membership of the Roseblood Accord dwarfs any individual settlement by the hundreds.
"Relatively small" is a fairly fun statement to me.
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I would like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that the Roseblood Accord is made up of a number of relatively small guilds that are all committed to positive gameplay and want to help each other succeed.
We are not affiliated with any mega-guilds. We're just players who are really interested in Pathfinder Online, many of us having very high hopes that Ryan's vision of "lots of meaningful PvP; little meaningless PvP" can work, and that members of the community will voluntarily refuse to adopt the attitude that "everything not forbidden is permitted".
We hope this message is getting through.
Current membership of the Roseblood Accord dwarfs any individual settlement by the hundreds.
"Relatively small" is a fairly fun statement to me.
Reading comprehension helps: The Roseblood Accord consists of relatively small guilds.
Really though, is this going to turn into some silly message board war?
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I should also remind everyone of this bit, from the OP:
The Empyrean Order (Brighthaven) and The Seventh Veil (Phaeros) have already been granted our Settlement locations at [04,11] and [00,17] in the southeast corner of the Early Enrollment map. Strictly as a matter of logistics, accord members who establish themselves in this area can expect the most support. Members who choose to settle elsewhere are welcome to join, but should be aware that support may be more difficult to provide.
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I think Mr. Morbis was rightfully pointing out that at least one of the signatories of the Roseblood Accord, TEO, is affiliated with a mega-guild.
This, of course, counters Nihimon's assertion that:
We are not affiliated with any mega-guilds.
I must assume Nihimon meant we as a collective are not affiliated with any mega-guilds. This as opposed to the increasing number of settlements who are associated with a single mega-guild.
Since we are not of a single mega-guild, how does it hurt to embrace that feature and make it our own?
EDIT: It also suggests we will have a vested interest in supporting these small guilds as opposed to the interests of any one entity.
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... at least one of the signatories of the Roseblood Accord, TEO, is affiliated with a mega-guild.
Thank you for pointing out my mistake. Yes, The Empyrean Order is associated with Covenant of the Phoenix.
I was thinking very much of "we" as in The Seventh Veil. I honestly don't know whether any members other than TEO are affiliated with mega-guilds.
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Twisting words, erecting strawmen... has it really come to this?
Everybody has made their feelings known, loud and clear. Let's try to remain civil with eachother; or even if you feel that it's already been lost, let's move towards civility.
EDIT: That doesn't mean I don't expect to have to look over my shoulder for you in-game =P
Twisting words, erecting strawmen... has it really come to this?
Everybody has made their feelings known, loud and clear. Let's try to remain civil with eachother; or even if you feel that it's already been lost, let's move towards civility.
EDIT: That doesn't mean I don't expect to have to look over my shoulder for you in-game =P
My purpose was never to harm The Roseblood Accord. My entire purpose - and I have no doubt everyone will make up their own mind as to whether or not I'm being honest - was to try to encourage the players of Pathfinder Online to choose to foster a community where the actions of the players are held accountable rather than ignored.
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My purpose was never to harm The Roseblood Accord. My entire purpose - and I have no doubt everyone will make up their own mind as to whether or not I'm being honest - was to try to encourage the players of Pathfinder Online to choose to foster a community where the actions of the players are held accountable rather than ignored.Twisting words, erecting strawmen... has it really come to this?
Everybody has made their feelings known, loud and clear. Let's try to remain civil with eachother; or even if you feel that it's already been lost, let's move towards civility.
EDIT: That doesn't mean I don't expect to have to look over my shoulder for you in-game =P
And that is great advice. Thank you for sharing it.
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My purpose was never to harm The Roseblood Accord. My entire purpose - and I have no doubt everyone will make up their own mind as to whether or not I'm being honest - was to try to encourage the players of Pathfinder Online to choose to foster a community where the actions of the players are held accountable rather than ignored.
Nihimon is a very reasonable guys. You could have politely PMed him about his mistake and he could have edited the mistake out or publicly announced his mistake.
Not to call you out so much as to make public the right way to go about these kinds of things without causing drama.
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My purpose was never to harm The Roseblood Accord. My entire purpose - and I have no doubt everyone will make up their own mind as to whether or not I'm being honest - was to try to encourage the players of Pathfinder Online to choose to foster a community where the actions of the players are held accountable rather than ignored.Nihimon is a very reasonable guys. You could have politely PMed him about his mistake and he could have edited the mistake out or publicly announced his mistake.
Not to call you out so much as to make public the right way to go about these kinds of things without causing drama.
Good. Use your aggressive feelings, Hart. Let the hate flow through you.
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He just called you a deer, Hawk. Kill him.
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My intent, for my first character, is to be a Craftsman/merchant first, and a prospector/miner/scout second.
There are several locations fostered by the Accord that could use your skills. That particularly combination is likely best served in one of the rather mountainy areas, but you are welcome to travel as you need and will find welcome as an ally.
You need not join a guild/company to make your home in a settlement, the trick will simply be finding the settlement that is right for you, wherever that may be.
He just called you a deer, Hawk. Kill him.LOL
You've outdone yourself, KC
Just trying to stir up a civil war within the up-and-coming Roseblood Nation so I can rise up and reveal myself as the true head of all three Paxes.
...too soon?
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Deathwatch is taking internal votes right now about our theme going forward. We're looking at becoming a Bounty Hunter guild for the group. Whaddy'all think o' dat?
Are there any other companies in the Accord with such a theme?
Milani approves.
Necromancer bounty hunters? Talk about the black mage calling the outlaw black.
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He just called you a deer, Hawk. Kill him.LOL
You've outdone yourself, KC
Just trying to stir up a civil war within the up-and-coming Roseblood Nation so I can rise up and reveal myself as the true head of all three Paxes.
...too soon?
Interesting idea, let me share another theory:
The Seventh Veil can mean a couple of things. The first of which probably isn't even allowed to be mentioned on these forums, but the second is a neutral deity who's focus is illusion. In the greatest plot twist of all, after EE is over, T7V reveals themselves to be Pax.
Further to that Golgotha was actually just a small farming community, and all of the hostility in other threads was a ruse and the result of failed will saves.
Aw. Where will the necromancers go to get their zombies on?
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Fult likes Kitsune Aou's bounty hunter guild idea.
If Fult was dealing with Deathwatch, Fult would also like to find some kind of... er... judicial services.
Deathwatch could sell diplomat services, send arbiters for conflicts, be judge, jury and executioner, try to resolve mysterious murders, punish stealing merchants...
Fult means... bounty hunting, yes, but hidden under a varnish of justice so not only rangers, but inquisitors, justicars, strange guys to be worried of... Even necromancers. <Fult shivers>
Deathwatch... We Make Justice Happen!
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Good. Use your aggressive feelings, Hart. Let the hate flow through you.My purpose was never to harm The Roseblood Accord. My entire purpose - and I have no doubt everyone will make up their own mind as to whether or not I'm being honest - was to try to encourage the players of Pathfinder Online to choose to foster a community where the actions of the players are held accountable rather than ignored.Nihimon is a very reasonable guys. You could have politely PMed him about his mistake and he could have edited the mistake out or publicly announced his mistake.
Not to call you out so much as to make public the right way to go about these kinds of things without causing drama.
My hatred will die, with you.
Welcome, Taur-Im-Duinath!
My apologies if this will look hostile in any way but I feel very strongly regarding this topic. This question goes to all members of RA: how is a settlement that has what is basically RP racism at its core compatible with Roseblood?
I am a member of the elven kingdom and I am not racist. I just think elven culture is superior not the elven race. And to that point there are different degrees of racists. Someone who is racist wouldn't necessarily go around offing other races he might just think elves are innately better that does't mean their kingdom has to attack all other races.
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I think this is the wrong way to go.
If you stand back and let Pax do whatever they want, there will be no game left for you guys after awhile.
The only sensible thing you can do, is use the same methods as Pax.
Get those votes and back up smaller guilds.
Unite and make it clear to everyone that you are a force that stands together.Principles are all good, but not when you are the only one living by them.
If you stick to your guns on this, you will end up sticking to them without being able to play PFO.
I think it's a little premature to predict the future like this. I feel The Roseblood Accord is a bunch of people that want to play with each other and not throw fingers at each other on the forums.
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Deathwatch is taking internal votes right now about our theme going forward. We're looking at becoming a Bounty Hunter guild for the group. Whaddy'all think o' dat?
Are there any other companies in the Accord with such a theme?
Audacity is going have a heavy emphasis on contract work, bounties included. I would not say we could be considered the bounty hunter group though, because we do not focus solely on bounty hunting.
That said, we do focus on all things contract related.