Combat Attorney


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So, my wife has been making a "Random Plot Generator" that generates a random story plot from various lists of basics (character, conflict, location, etc). She asked me for my opinion on a generated plot that involved "Combat Attorneys". So my mind raced to flesh out this plot involving a land where the justice system is built around dueling and "attorneys" were people you would hire to "represent" you in the duel and also took part in wars by being right there on the battlefield to watch and make sure that everything follows the "rules of engagement" in a heavily litigated society. It was an amazing story... but my wife got confused at what the hell I was talking about. So I looked at the computer screen to see it wasn't, in fact, "Combat Attorneys" but rather "A Combat Tourney (tournament)".

But it was too good of an idea to give up. So how would I built a good Combat Attorney?

Scarab Sages

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An inquisitor of Asmodeus seems like a good start...

Scarab Sages

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Profession: Lawyer or Craft: Contract Law is a must.

And contract law is so definitely a craft. :P


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Sound Striker Bard. When you get to Wordstrike and Weird Words flavoring it as your character shouting OBJECTION would be pretty great. Perform: Oratory is a really nice versatile performance skill, too...

Scarab Sages

Give one a quill that grants +5 to linguistic checks to make documents.

Then forge away...

Scarab Sages

I agree with Asmodeus as diety. Abadar if you don't want the evil.

Really, this could be a bunch of builds. Legalistic oracle. Sound striker. Inquisitor. Cleric.

This is really all about the flavor of it as there are no expansive rule sets dealing with this directly to define a build.


What do you call 10,000 combat attorneys swallowed by purple worms?

A good start.


I am the Law!

Sorry, this made me think of that.

Asmodeus, Abadar, Ragathiel, Olheon, Moloch, Damerrich, and several other dieties and empyreal lords/devils would fit the theme.

Lots of classes too.


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Imbicatus wrote:
An inquisitor of Asmodeus seems like a good start...

You could call them... Devil's Advocates.

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Oracle with the legalistic curse.

Silver Crusade

Dreaming Psion wrote:
Imbicatus wrote:
An inquisitor of Asmodeus seems like a good start...
You could call them... Devil's Advocates.

Devil's Advocate. That would make a prestige class.


"I am the law!!!!"

Darn someone beat me to it.


Now I really want to make a character based off Judge Dredd

Dark Archive

Oh my! Yes, well. Contract law is of the utmost importance. And I, Sclivian Ruttle, Esq., karcist accountant and infernal contract arbiter, do quite understand the ins, outs, and loopholes necessary when bartering souls with devils.

Oh, I'm quite positive that maintaining such relations with infernal hosts are quite fruitful and lead to staggeringly positive outcomes in combat. As long as the proper relations and bookkeeping is maintained.

Shadow Lodge

I think Mekkis made one of these.

I can't quite tell, but he used a guy in a suit as his token in a Roll20 game.


I am a combat attorney!

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Seems like someone needs to create a politician of Tymon.

There, duels and gladiatorial fights are part of the laws and politics. I imagine they would need combat attorneys.


I would actually like to see more about this Combat Attorney idea. I recently had an idea for a Cloistered Cleric with the Souls or Ancestors subdomain that was really big on litigation.

Edit: Now that I think about it... Combat Attorney's sound like the Judges in Final Fantasy Tactics Advance and other FF titles.


Kazaan wrote:

..."Combat Attorneys"...

I think it might be "Attorneys Combat" if you are talking about a bunch of them.

But yeah, I'm thinking bards, rogues, experts and aristocrats. And wigs. You need a wig.


Asmodeus also has an aspect in magic right? What about wizards with the Scroll Master archetype? A "combat attorney" is an NPC that takes a copy of your contract and duels with the rolled up paper as their weapon. They either enforce the agreement by stabbing someone with it or they try to spring you from the deal by stabbing someone with it.


DM: "The attorney slaps you with a lawsuit. Take "<rattle>" 300gp in damages"

This also brings to mind something similar to Inevitables

Sovereign Court

I had this idea lying around for Dungeon Scene Investigation, a very professional adventuring party. It included a cleric ("Coach") who made people do exercises as part of buffing them.

It also had a paladin in it, a Public Prosecutor At Arms.

Liberty's Edge

There was an episode of "Sliders" that portrayed an overly litigious society that had lawyers as gunslingers who settled disputes Old West style.

Also in the Warhammer Fantasy game there was a Judicial Champion class/profession that was basically a wandering combat lawyer.

Scarab Sages

This is the profession of Bardas Loredan in the particularly good Fencer's Trilogy

Silver Crusade

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The Count to the Eschaton series by John C. Wright starts off with something like that.

Dueling the opposing lawyer is apparently a routine occurance.

Gunslinger lawyers! All the proper forms must be observed.

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Hmmmmm.

I Am the Law : At third level at the beginning of your turn you may deem an action to be against the laws of the current combat. Anyone within a 5 foot area around you who breaks your law suffers a -1 to AC or Attack rolls. At 7th level and every 4 levels after the range increases by 5ft and the penalties increase by 1 to a maximum of -5.

Shouting "Objection!" is not required but highly encouraged.


Well, you may have finally found a use for the FOUR cut-throat lawyer pawns in the NPC Codex Box. Awesome?

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Imbicatus wrote:
An inquisitor of Asmodeus seems like a good start...

I, Milton Smithson, am exactly such a character. I am a PFS character. You will notice my extremely impressive +11 to Profession(barrister) which is actually a profession listed in the CRB!

My complete stats are listed in my profile.


I actually played a Combat Attorney once! It was in Curse of the Crimson Throne and I was playing an Inquisitor of Erastil who had profession barrister and made his living as an ADA in the city. As I recall he was always flustered when other characters broke the law, which was far too often for his tastes.

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The Justiciar Prestige Class is also an excellent way to go with this concept.


I imagine that most litigators (AKA trial attorneys because they specialize in participating in the trial of arms) are from the full BAB classes, and while they might not be so hot on knowing the law they are better at presenting their arguments. While for most legal needs an inquisitor or cleric specializing in law is fine, when it comes to the trial of arms it's tough to beat a Paladin at making cutting remarks which sway the outcome of the trial while preventing their opponent from making lasting damage. This is not to take away from the monastic orders who produce some of the best defensive attorneys out there, but legal monks have difficulty pressing their cases in the trial arena. While one might think that litigators would come exclusively from the lawful alignments, more than a few chaotic aligned litigators have done excellent work on civil liberties cases and combat lawyers still study the epic victory of the anti-paladin Krastovos in Armorian Society for the Promotion of Cruelty to Animals(ASPCA) v Druidic Order of Amoria (DOA).


I see a professional gladiatorial mercenary who represents people in trial by combat.

Lore Warden seems like a good way to go.

Sovereign Court

Bone Devil Inquisitor of asmodeus...yup.


Trial by combat just sounds like that old school European way back in the dark ages/early middle ages where opposing sides would have their champions face each other and the outcome was supposedly the will of God.

Inquisitor of Asmodeus v Paladin of Abadar. Imagine all the divine politics that could get involved.


The Negotiator Bard archetype from the new Champions of Balance player companion sounds perfect for this concept.

Scarab Sages

Verteidiger wrote:

Trial by combat just sounds like that old school European way back in the dark ages/early middle ages where opposing sides would have their champions face each other and the outcome was supposedly the will of God.

Inquisitor of Asmodeus v Paladin of Abadar. Imagine all the divine politics that could get involved.

I imagine it would look something like this.

Shadow Lodge

Claxon wrote:
Now I really want to make a character based off Judge Dredd

Seen one. LN Half-orc inquisitor, max ranks intimidate.

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