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Nefreet wrote:
You should probably tell your friends that their "gifts" are technically illegal. Not just in the PFS sense, but as in illegally distributing digital media under U.S. Law.

Unless you are versed in the ins and outs of US intellectual property law, avoid making blanket statements about whether or not this is "technically illegal". Fair Use, for instance, may cover this.

Accusing people of being criminals isn't a good idea in the first place.

Regardless of whether or not it is illegal, you can't use PDFs with other people's watermarks to satisfy the Additional Resources requirements.

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Season 0: Asmodeus Mirage was memorable
Season 1: Hall of Drunken Heroes all the way
Season 2: Murder on the Throaty Mermaid was impressive
Season 3: Immortal Conundrum. Also First Steps 1 and 3.
Season 4: Sanos Abduction!
Season 5: Library of the Lion
Season 6 sucked. Especially the technology.
Season 7: So far it's been Bid for Alabstine

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Looks like we're back to native outsiders ruining scenarios.

I love it when all those humanoid-only spells are listed in tactics.

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Murdock Mudeater wrote:


While I understand the point of the retraining rules are to limit players that swap character rules often, the PP costs seem like overkill, as the player is left with a considerably poorer and lower PP than their fellows. This, in turn, results in an unbalanced character when compared to other characters with the normal levels of PP and gold gains.

As this thread has probably shown, retraining rules are not used to make an unviable character viable. If your character is unviable, your best bet is either to get your hands on a free retrain boon (rare as hen's teeth), or hope that an errata comes along that allows you to retrain for free.

What people are using the retraining rules for is to either end up with a character that would have otherwise been impossible to make (for example, Pirate Rob's D-dooring Horizon Walker), or to allow a character to make a short-term decision without worrying about the longer-term consequences (Cleave being an obvious example).

Whether this was what was intended, I don't know. But your understanding - looking at it from the context of 'swapping a character' is not how it works.


Lab_Rat wrote:
Lau Bannenberg wrote:
What I think isn't appreciated enough by the developers is the "change fatigue" caused by their drastic errata process. Every time you need to relearn which bits of a book were actually good enough to use leads to change fatigue. Every time your physical book becomes tragically outdated because a significant chunk of the stuff that's good and useful will change in the next printing.

Let's just say that Paizo did start to put internally driven changes into the FAQ to the point that the only thing new in an errata would be grammar issues. Don't you think that this would drive just as much fatigue?

Now rather than one big adjustment process, you are always having to check the FAQ for stealth FAQs. They change one item that effects your character and just when you are used to that change they do change something else. Then they decide after much uproar that maybe that change was too much and so they change it to something in the middle. And every time this happens, PFS rules change and poor John has to make a post regarding how you can sell back your items and rebuild your character.

In an ideal world, no errata would be necessary.

However, at the moment we have a couple of systems:

1. FAQs - these are split between Rules Clarifications, and stealth errata. There are a couple of cases where poorly thought out clarifications (often phrased as a certain interpretation rather than an overt errata) resulted in undesirable unforeseen consequences. An example of this would be the SLA ruling that was used for early entry into prestige classes.

2. Errata - these only get released when a new printing of a book is released, sentencing much of the Pathfinder Chronicle and Companion line to never receiving the errata it deserves. In addition, because it is set in stone when it is printed, Paizo tend to be very conservative about it. An example here would be the Bracers of Falcon's Aim, which was nerfed into uselessness.

The issue is that when an FAQ comes out, it still causes issues - sometimes it's unclear as to whether it was an actual rule change or not. Indeed, they are often worded as a "this is how it's always been interpreted" rather than a "this was printed incorrectly; it should have been different". Compare and contrast the SLA ruling with the Ring of Continuity FAQ-based stealth errata.

It is better to acknowledge that what is being done is errata, and mark it as such. I shouldn't need to refer to the FAQ to know what the rules are.

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Why don't we start rotating classes? ;)


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I believe that this is PFS related, because errata has a much more pronounced effect when one is required to abide by it. (If it isn't, feel free to move it).

This is a feeling that I've had for the past few years, and the recent printing of Ultimate Equipment finally made me post it.

Paizo staff are human, humans make mistakes.

When a published book has an error in it, errata is the only way to properly correct the error. An FAQ might 'clarify' the material (and even change it), and the Campaign Coordinator may choose to disallow it if it is a class or item, but the only way to really fix it is with errata.

And this is where the problems start occurring.

In my time playing PFS, the two most pronounced sets of errata have been the Ultimate Combat changes to various feats (like Crane Style), and these recent Ultimate Equipment changes.

Because of Paizo's policy of "we only errata when we reprint", many of the changes appear rushed, more for the purpose of ensuring that the rules are not abused than resulting in a balanced fix.

This also comes up with further issues with some of the fixes having unintended consequences, such as the Ring of Inner Fortitude negating polymorph spells. And since the second printing has already been typeset and probably sent to the printers, it's unlikely to be properly fixed in the next two years.

I understand that Paizo is not a large company, and that there are always development pressures, but as it stands, there is currently no good method to correct an error.

What we need is a revision of way the errata is issued. It should be decoupled from the release of new books, making it more easily modified and giving a better chance for it to be applied to less popular products. When a new printing of a book is needed, it can be applied and typeset.

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meepothegreat wrote:
Mekkis wrote:

As a player, I don't want to be compelled to purchase a new book, just because it contains an updated version of a legal option that my character has been using for years. It's bad PR and breeds resentment.

It also affects my back and my luggage allowance.

I know it doesn't work for everyone, but the pdf's really helped me with this. Now I just carry a core rule book. (I actually gave it away recently to a little girl who was playing and didn't have one.)

Regardless, compelling people to purchase a new book, even a PDF, is horrible policy.

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As a player, I don't want to be compelled to purchase a new book, just because it contains an updated version of a legal option that my character has been using for years. It's bad PR and breeds resentment.

It also affects my back and my luggage allowance.


Jason Wu wrote:


There is a feat which allows multiple arms beyond the normal to add attacks, Multiweapon Fighting

This is incorrect. With multiple arms, you have a single "primary hand", and the rest are "off-hands". With the primary hand, you take -6 to hit, and the secondary hands take -10 to hit, similar to two-weapon fighting. This is in addition to attacks granted by your BAB.

For example, with a dex of 16, and a BAB of +7, your six-armed eidolon could attack as follows:

+4 (primary with -6) / -1 (primary iterative with -6) / +0 (secondary) / +0 (tertiary).

Generally, you do not get additional attacks from BAB to non-primary hands.

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Before we do something like this, would it be possible to get data on how many level 5+ characters were reported as dead at the last gencon?

We may be blowing the issue out of proportion.

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I think the problem here is the free/swift action teleports.

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The way I look at "would that be okay by my alignment" discussions is "If you have to ask, it's probably okay". Alignment is designed as a roleplaying aid. No need to look to far into it.

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Obviously it's a much-awaited sequel to Slave-master's mirror. (5-9)

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My inquisitor (who dumped charisma) used it (and a shirt reroll) to get Holy Sword cast on his weapon. +5 holy makes a nice dent.


The concentration check DC would be 10 + the CMB of the person doing the tying, + spell level. However, if they're being questioned at the time, I'd give the PCs an action to stop them (treat as a readied action).

If you're feeling difficult, you'd call it a surprise round, roll initiative, have him 'start casting the spell' and allow anyone who beat him in initiative to take a standard action to stop him.


I would have no problem allowing that ring in my game. For 36000gp, doing 10d6 damage as a touch attack is not at all overpowered. I wouldn't allow it to be activated as part of Spell Combat (if that's what you have in mind). (Although that might be more because of my opinions towards magi rather than anything else).

Looking at the opportunity cost, you can pick up a +4 weapon for 32000gp, which in the right hands would do more than 35 average damage per round.

In all practicality, it'd be unlikely for the ring to be used more that 10 times a day. Probably closer to 4.

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Murdock Mudeater wrote:


Actually don't have any interest in playing an EVIL character. I just like the lines drawn as to what is what. When I build a character, I like to know what my options are, and what the options mean.

With something like "is this evil", I prefer that we don't draw lines in the sand: it's just adds fuel for arguments (as if the whole alignment system isn't flamebait enough). It's something where context is very important, and a hard and fast rule often does more harm than good.

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UndeadMitch wrote:


BM has a much smaller investment and usually pays for itself with the first Raise Dead. And that's not even counting all the other spells with expensive components that BM takes care of (Stoneskin, et al).

The fact is, Blood Money + Raise dead comes online, at the earliest, at 10th level (which requires a significant investment in multiclassing). Otherwise an 11th level witch can handle it (although not dumping str in either of these cases is again an investment that doesn't bear fruit for most of a Pathfinder's career).

Regardless, at 10th and 11th level, the ability to raise someone for free isn't actually that powerful an effect: it's only useful after a party has already found themselves on the short end of the stick. How many pathfinders end up Permanently Dead post-9th level anyway?

If we're talking how Blood Money affects the economy, I think the biggest effect that PFS rules effect the economy is how most long-duration (often permanent) spells with material components (Symbol of Revelation, etc) don't carry across between scenarios. I'm not advocating that they should, but blood money makes these spells playable.

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Lorewalker wrote:
rknop wrote:

Have people actually seen this abused in play?

If I were GMing and I had a player attempt to use a Heightened Mount followed by Alter Summoned Monster, I would say no. Even though nominally I'd be in violation of the PFS rules for doing this (strict RAW, etc.), it's so clear that the spell is not supposed to be able to do the Mount cheese that disallowing it is just an anticipation of an inevitable ruling. However, I'd certainly allow the spell for turning one Summon Monster III monster into another.

That is clearly in violation of the PFS Guidelines.

PFS Guide wrote:

"As a Pathfinder Society GM, you have the right and

responsibility to make whatever judgements, within the
rules, that you feel are necessary at your table to ensure
everyone has a fair and fun experience. This does not
mean you can contradict rules or restrictions outlined in
this document, a published Pathfinder Roleplaying Game
source, errata document, or official FAQ on paizo.com.
What it does mean is that only you can judge what is right
for your table during cases not covered in these sources."

You don't have to like an option, but table GMs are not in charge of what options are allowed at a table. Otherwise you are running house rules.

Your options for removal of an option are the same as your options for the addition of an option, petitioning on the boards.

This is not the removal of an option. This is a sensible interpretation of the printed rules. It is unthinkable to interpret that this second-level spell was intended to be able to turn a long-duration out-of-combat summoning spell (like Mount) into a creature that's balanced for in-combat short-duration fighting. If such a thing was intended, it would have been printed in there - it is so out-of-line from established expectations that its omission should speak volumes.

As I see it, Alter Summoned Monster was designed to allow a conjurer to switch between different summonable monsters, or even to upgrade numerous smaller monsters.

Not to turn Heightened Mounts into 9-hour-long Large Earth Elementals.

I generally don't believe that the removal of options should be based on theorycraft. After all, an injection of common sense into the game goes a long way - from both sides of the screen.

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For the record, there is no reference to Rules As Written in the Guide.

It is simply: Do not contradict written rules, and run scenarios as written.

As a Pathfinder Society GM, you have the right and
responsibility to make whatever judgements, within the
rules, that you feel are necessary at your table to ensure
everyone has a fair and fun experience. This does not
mean you can contradict rules or restrictions outlined in
this document, a published Pathfinder Roleplaying Game
source, errata document, or official FAQ on paizo.com.

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Bob Jonquet wrote:
It is unlikely that the resolution will be posted here (as is not typical) especially so if the decision is punitive.

That being said, I think we all would benefit from some general guidance about how to handle situations where a player or two are causing good players to stop attending sessions.


As I see it, the reasoning is that Invisibility clearly states:

prd wrote:


Items dropped or put down by an invisible creature become visible; items picked up disappear if tucked into the clothing or pouches worn by the creature. Light, however, never becomes invisible, although a source of light can become so (thus, the effect is that of a light with no visible source). Any part of an item that the subject carries but that extends more than 10 feet from it becomes visible.


There are a couple of things that can prevent this 'disparity' being blown out of proportion.

The obvious one is time constraints - if you're enabling a 'fifteen-minute adventuring day', it is obvious that spellcasters are benefiting much more than non-casters.

What I do in response to most of the theorycrafted arguments that seem to come up in discussions like these (blood money + simulacrum; various different ways of getting unlimited wishes, etc) is to take it ingame, and let the players know that if such an exploit was possible, other people would already be doing it. There is an in-universe reason why it's not happening (and if the player wants to find out what it is, then they're welcome to try and prepare for the consequences...)


Douglas Muir 406 wrote:


Gotta disagree. How many classes did PF have in 2008? Eleven. How many does it have now? [checks] 11 core, 8 base, 3 alternate, 10 hybrid, 6 occult = 38. If you don't look at the endlessly proliferating list of classes, archetypes, spells, feats and options and see bloat then, shrug, well then I guess you don't. But most of the rest of us do.

Also four unchained classes, bring it to 42.

For the record, by the end of 3.5, it had 38 base classes - including obscure stuff from the Paizo-published Dragon Magazine.

With regards to classes, Paizo has leaped ahead of 3.5. I believe it is still lagging behind with regards to prestige classes, but it makes up for that with the literal hundreds of archetypes available.

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Mike Bramnik wrote:


Obviously, if AR says that an older one is no longer legal, that's the rule (like with Armored Kilts and Scorpion Whips).

For the record, the OLDER version of the scorpion whip (the one in the Adventurer's Armoury) is the one that IS legal. The version in Ultimate Equipment is not legal.

Has anyone had issues where a player bought one from UE and was forced to buy AA in order to maintain a legal character?

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Ascalaphus wrote:


There should never be the situation where you own an old but still legal resource, and have to refer to a new, different source that you don't own.

Either the old book is no longer a legal source for the item, or every legal source is a stand-alone source for the item.

I want to expand on this and state that there should never be a situation where the release of a new source forces a player to buy it in order to continue playing their character - either allow a full rebuild, or grandfather it in.

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I find it interesting the selection of scenarios your GM is putting you through, and there might be a reason for this.

From one perspective, it seems to be a combination of two factors:
You have a GM who wants to provide a challenge to the party; and
You have a character who is trivialising most challenges.

I can see that this would cause an escalation of a GM vs Player mentality, which would explain why the GM keeps running scenarios that are not trivialised by your character.

I would suggest speaking with your GM and coming up with an agreement where you all start over with new characters, and provide a bit more balance for everyone.


Very interested in the bulk discounts for poisons. I hope there's the crunch to back it up.

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A couple of reasons: Firstly, it's never considered a 'good' act, so there aren't people arguing that. Secondly, it's pretty difficult to pull off: you need serious levels of wizard or cleric to do it, so it doesn't come up much. Finally, it seems that trying to negotiate a deal with a devil in a summoning circle is so fraught with dangers (the kind of Definitely Table Variation dangers), that they're dealt with pretty quickly.

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One of the ways to speed up animal companions in combat is to allow them to act on their masters' initiative. It does give them a small advantage, but it prevents a player being required to handle multiple actions at multiple different times in a round.

When Brock GMed for me, that was how he ran it.


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One thing that I would like to see is errata being issued independently of a new printing. This allows a few positive results:

- FAQs can remain as rules clarifications, and can be separated from actual changes.
- It allows community feedback of errata to be taken into account after errata has been released but before the next set of books is sent to the printers.
- After the first set of Ultimate Combat errata, several abilities needed to be recorrected to actually work. This could have been corrected prior to the release of the second printing had errata already been released.


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I generally have a very open policy. In the game I run, I allow everything from the core rulebook, and I will generally allow anything from any other books (including third-party publications), but I will read over them before I allow them.

I don't buy into the argument that Paizo's publications are necessarily more balanced than third-party stuff.

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Joe Ducey wrote:
Nefreet wrote:
TClifford wrote:
is it okay for a Paladin to case Infernal Healing on themselves

If you can give me a good reason why, sure.

I can't think of one off the top of my head, though.

Fighting in the worldwound and you're running out of resources but know how to turn the blood of the demons you've slain into healing for you and your comrades?

Infernal healing requires devil blood. I shudder to think what substituting it with demon blood would result in...

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Andrew Christian wrote:
Mekkis wrote:


As far as I can tell, you're saying that the potential for punitive measures on the off chance that Paizo FAQs or erratas something is an effective deterrent to creating overpowered characters.

I said nothing of the sort. I'm not about creating a system to try and stop rule abuse.

That and not wanting to allow more opportunities for such are completely different concepts.

And John and the rest of campaign management and Paizo as a whole has done a great job of allowing great options. So I'm not seeing how any actions they have taken are punitive.

Maybe I read your previous comments incorrectly, I apologise.

Could you clarify that you believe that opening up rebuilding in the case of errata would cause a rise in powergaming? Or does your opposition to the idea stem from something else?

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Benjamin Falk, Andrew Christian:

As far as I can tell, you're saying that the potential for punitive measures on the off chance that Paizo FAQs or erratas something is an effective deterrent to creating overpowered characters.

The presence of overpowered characters under these current measures is evident that this is not effective.

I have asked several of the munchkins in my local community if they are concerned about this, and they general response ranges from "It's a good way of getting Paizo to fix their mistakes", to "I'll worry about that if it happens.". (There was also one player who expressed that they "made this character to get back at Paizo for banning the vivisectionist.")

We should also take into account the other people who are inconvenienced by these measures. The policy is not only punishing the powergamers.

Another more insidious measure that the current policy causes is the view that the PFS leadership does not respect the players affected by the changes. This leads to resentment, and a lack of respect for both this policy, and other policy. When a player self-justifies an unsanctioned rebuild, they are more likely to (for instance), self-justify other unwarranted behaviour.

To conclude:

I feel that the use of punitive measures in response to errata is ineffective as a deterrent to powergaming, and does considerably more harm than good.

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rknop wrote:

My confidence that I had even a vague hope of keeping up with the Pathfinder ruleset as GM, and to be even passingly familiar with the classes players brought to my table, died with the release of the ACG.

RIP.

Occult adventures is just nails in the coffin.

I couldn't agree with you more. Once they announced 105 archetypes in the ACG, I knew that it was impossible.

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Andrew Christian wrote:
I've seen one person, who found it fun to exploit the math if the game to create some pretty gross builds.

So you're saying that it's already happened, even without liberal rebuilding rules. And I agree, losing a good GM and creating negative drama is bad for the community.

Andrew Christian wrote:
The moral to my story, is that when you open the door to potential abuse of the available options, one person can create major negative drama in an entire region.

But, as you stated above, the door is already wide open. The player already did.

The restrictive rebuilding rules don't stop it. If anything, they provide a disincentive for Paizo to close the door.

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Todd Morgan wrote:
People would abuse the more liberal policy. Liberal policies in the past have had to be re-structured due to abuse in the short amount of time they were open. When a small amount of people abuse the system it ends up hurting everyone.

I would disagree. Currently, if a player feels that the rules aren't making the game more fun for him, he will end up either quitting the campaign, or ignoring the rules.

We already tolerate abuse of the rules: look at the broken characters that some players bring from time to time. As GMs, we're Required to allow them on our tables, even if they trounce encounters.

Yet we're punishing a player who is now stuck with a character that now does not do what it was envisaged to do due to an oversight by Paizo.

I understand that we are not supposed to promote cheating, but we also should try and avoid creating punitive rules that allow players to self-justify it.

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FLite wrote:


Assuming you had not dumped stats
Mystic Madness wrote:
His stats are also entirely Charisma-focused to facilitate the maximum possible number of channels. He does not even carry a weapon because he has not the strength to wield it.

Assume again.

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Reading the guide and the bit about rebuilding due to rules changes makes me very uneasy.

It seems less liberal than the previous version. In particular:

Guidev6.1 wrote:

If a class, prestige class, or a class feature-dependent

ability score is altered: You may rebuild your character to
its current XP, maintaining the same equipment.

I acknowledge that the old version did have some ambiguity, but in the spirit of "don't be a jerk", the consensus (at least in my area) was that if a class changed, you could rebuild your character.

Guide7.0 wrote:

If an ability-score-dependent feature of a class, prestige

class, or archetype is altered: You may rebuild your
character to its current XP. Keep the same equipment, but
you can resell any equipment that augments the changed
ability score at its full market price.
If a class, prestige class, or archetype changes in such
a way that you no longer have proficiency with a given
weapon or armor type:
You may sell back the affected
equipment and only the affected equipment at full market
value. You may also retrain any feats directly associated
with the affected equipment.

What this seems to be making clear is that if a class feature changes (that isn't ability-score-dependent), the player either needs to suck it up, or spend $10 on Ultimate Campaign, as well as a non-trivial amount of prestige and gold on a retrain.

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I'll point it out again: For a necromancer to cast Animate Dead, he would have had to prepare it (and the material components) in advance.

He was INTENDING to do this all along.

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I'm pretty sure that it was stated that failing to render aid does not qualify as PvP.

I find it disturbing that some posters above seem to think that the necromancer did not do anything wrong. It takes a certain amount of preparation to cast Animate Dead (there are definitely more practical third-level necromancy spells out there), and he could have defused the whole situation by realising that it would antagonise the inquisitor. Instead, he deliberately chose to escalate the situation.

As a GM in this situation, I wouldn't penalise the inquisitor for what he did. On the other hand, I wouldn't require the inquisitor to.

As a player who does play the odd controversial PC, I accept that if I offend other PCs, I don't expect them to assist me. In my Eyes group - where I was playing a diabolist - I did not expect the paladin to heal me after what happened in the first section.

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If we're getting all rules-lawyery on this subject, please note that the Additional Resources page requires that a player bring "a name-watermarked Paizo PDF of it". It doesn't say anything about a requirement for the PDF to be viewable.

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If I didn't want to buy (but still wanted to use) the additional resources, I wouldn't go to the painstaking effort of borrowing other peoples' books in order to hoodwink a VO into believing I owned those books.

I would simply use one of the multitude of free online watermarking tools that are out there to provide a much more reliable method of hoodwinking the GMs.

I would argue that if a player has a list that details is or her ownership of materials, and which ones are being used for the character, it would make my job as a GM easier: I might even check players' ownership of additional resources more than once every ten tables.

Have you tried to audit a character sheet for ownership next to a crate of books that the player has brought along?

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Walter Sheppard wrote:
Quote:

[1] VOs and high stars GM would have the ability to "sign off" on the resources that a player can prove ownership. This means having the book in hand or be able to show a PDF with proper watermark.

[2] This form would have to be updated on a regular basis (annually) but could be updated more often.
[3] If the player purchases a new resource than they would have to bring the book or PDF printout with them until they can get their Ownership Form updated.
[4] Players would need to bring photocopies of the pages in the book related to their character. Failure to bring a photocopy would be the same as not owning the resource.
So Gary, in short, your proposal is to leave things as is, but allow some way for photocopies of books to become legal alternatives to carrying the physical books, similar to how PDF printouts are existing alternatives to having tablets.

PDF printouts are now considered 'existing alternatives to having tablets'?

For the record, until about two years ago, bringing an electronic version of a watermarked PDF was not considered acceptable.

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Profession: People Smuggler.

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I think that this is an important datapoint, but I disagree with your conclusion.

Socalwarhammer wrote:

Well, rather than debate I thought I would go and gather some evidence regarding the use of PDFs vs. books.

This week, myself and another GM took the painstaking task of verifying our players characters and resources used to create them. With 2 GMs and 9 PFS players- 5 failed to own the necessary materials which were needed to 'build' their characters and a 6th player could show they had the necessary PDFs (on their Paizo Downloads)but hadn't brought in a print copy or their i-pad for play.

So, of the nine players, six are "taking advantage" of the fact that it is very difficult ("painstaking") to audit a character sheet to determine what additional resources they are using. One of whom probably would not have much trouble meeting the requirements.

A proposal that involves having the players list their additional resources before the game, would make the GM's job considerably easier in this regard.

Socalwarhammer wrote:


It was disheartening to see. 3 of the players in question lacked only 1 or 2 items which would have been necessary to complete their character- such as for a specific trait, feat or piece of equipment. 2 others, had completed characters formulated from a complex array of books/supplements and possessed only the Core Rules and/or 1 or 2 additional books (such as Advanced Players Guide and Ultimate Combat). When asked, a few of the players stated that they planned on buying the necessary materials in the future, but could not afford it currently. This was in stark contrast to 2 players who said they 'didn't care' if PFS had rules requiring the ownership of materials for use in games and said that it was too easy to get everything off the internet for free.

This is interesting: so the players didn't actually own the resources they were using. Were there any players who would be affected by the proposal (Did they own the books, but found it too arduous to carry them to the session with them?).

Socalwarhammer wrote:


I didn't sign up to be a member of the PFS Police, but after taking the time to get a better understanding of it myself- I am much more sympathetic to Paizo's policy. This experience helped me dramatically change my opinion on the ownership of materials in regards to PFS play.

I understand that noone really has signed up to be a member of the PFS police. The best we can hope for is a cultural change that will strongly encourage ownership of resources. Making it easier to audit ownership of materials would go a long way.

Socalwarhammer wrote:
When I think of the hundreds of dollars I have invested in PFS materials, the apathy displayed towards Paizo by some players was rather sobering. As of now, I support the status quo- bring it if you own it- otherwise you don't get to use it.

When I look at my bookshelf, and think of the hundred of dollars that went into purchase the 30+ kilograms of PFS materials, I feel that when someone representing Paizo comes out and says "If you don't want to get a hernia carrying them all around whenever you go to a PFS game, buy the PDFs as well as the books that you've already bought from us.", I feel that the system needs to change.

Noone here is suggesting that we let players who haven't bought the materials play.

We are just proposing methods that would make it easier to enforce this rule, and would allow people who have supported their FLGS by buying books from them to use the books that they have bought without being horribly inconvenienced.

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tivadar27 wrote:


rknop wrote:


3b: Some people think there already is too much replay.

Literally 0 people suggested this, and I've re-read the posts. Please reference at least one instance where someone indicated they thought this was the case.

Okay. I'll bite.

This has happened, in my region, amoung some prominent members of my local community who really should know better.

After the GM star replay was announced, a number of people started some very concerted efforts to achieving four stars, including discouraging regular GMs from GMing in order to rack up more games. In addition, they started encouraging newer players to concentrate on levelling up their highest-level characters, even spreading misinformation that Eyes of the Ten would be retired "by September 2014". All this in order to have the opportunity to replay Eyes.

This has been my only direct exposure to GM star replay.

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One thing that really needs to be added to the summary:

Printing scenarios more frequently will make things much, much easier.

I feel that everything that has been tried (Evergreens, GM star replay, Expanded Narrative Boon, Core campaign) has really been a band-aid solution.

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