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Buy a greater undead slaying arrow or two, since you are an archery ninja.
The next time you see the offending character, shoot him in the face. Don't talk about killing his character, just do it first chance you get.
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Also, unless the homebrew character has special racial qualities, he has to stop and pray to his god in order to replenish his spells at a specific time of day. This prayer is not shorter than a full round action as it is stated that it can be interrupted. Additionally, the time of day is always the same. Figure out when he has to pray to receive his spells for the day and then interrupt it and murder him. A spell-less Oracle = a dead Oracle.
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Why do people keep insisting on trying to settle this in-character? It's obviously an OOC issue, and trying to play 'king of the mountain' will just encourage him and ruin the game for everybody.
Also, unless the homebrew character has special racial qualities, he has to stop and pray to his god in order to replenish his spells at a specific time of day. This prayer is not shorter than a full round action as it is stated that it can be interrupted. Additionally, the time of day is always the same. Figure out when he has to pray to receive his spells for the day and then interrupt it and murder him. A spell-less Oracle = a dead Oracle.
That's a Cleric, not an Oracle. Oracles don't have gods, and their class description does not actually state what their method of spell-recovery is.
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OOC problems need to be solved OOC. By choosing to kill his character instead of solving the problem in a rational manner, you're just as disruptive of a player as he is.
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If he takes double damage from fire, that means he takes 16d6 fire damage from an 8th-lvl ninja sneak attacking with scorching ray. Pick up a wand of it, make sure you can dispel any fire resistance he has, and go to town. Get a scroll of undeath ward while you're at it... if he's not at least the same level as you, he can't even save to get in melee range (with his l33t diseases or whatever).
Also, it's not an OOC matter. As Lazarx pointed out, the entire setup is an exercise in ridiculousness... two antagonistic groups of PCs concurrently run by two GMs using differing rules and play standards. If the OP doesn't want to walk from the whole situation, it's best to oblige him in ways to enjoy the trainwreck.
There is no such thing as "succeeds on all fort saves" if your dm homebrew race has that, he is an idiot, and that character should be level adjustment +10 or higher. Disintegration doesnt care if you are alive,dead, gas, plant, mineral, or even a god. It just freaking disintegrates you if you fail the save.
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That's a Cleric, not an Oracle. Oracles don't have gods, and their class description does not actually state what their method of spell-recovery is.
If there is not a rule stated, then it defaults to the generic divine spell casting requirements, which is what I stated. Oracles are divine casters which means they get their power from a divine source, which falls in line with the rule. Substitute god for idea of law or plants or cosmos. Whatevs. Same as a Cleric without a god.
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Why do people keep insisting on trying to settle this in-character? It's obviously an OOC issue, and trying to play 'king of the mountain' will just encourage him and ruin the game for everybody.
Because, per the additional details in the thread, this is actually an in character issue. Two groups: Guards vs. Thieves. Situation introduces 3rd party BBEG that the two groups need to deal with. Before that happened, one Guard annoyed a Thief and Thief expressed desire to kill Guard. Additional description of Thief indicates very antisocial character, played by a DM friend using a DM created homebrew race. Player talking smack OOC is bad playing in my opinion, and should be ignored.
/cevah
(Choose slot) of Disguise Other - use activated:
"This spell functions as disguise self, except you can disguise either yourself or another creature." no save, no SR, 30 minute duration.
Imagine the possibilities:
Hire a common criminal to turn into your wizard friend and cause a ruckus in town, so your wizard buddy gets a rap sheet.
Turn a bound npc into you to sit by a window and wait for your buddy to kill him in cold blood - thus getting a rap sheet and going to jail.
Disguise your wizard buddy like a troll: how will the town react to seeing a troll wandering down the street?
Okay, so clearly, as many suspected from his granting to the other player of a possibly overpowered undead racial type, the GM in question seems to favor the other player, and obviously does not like you on top of that.
Yeah, you just shouldn't play with these guys. They sound like a bunch of babies.
While I will continue this campaign until the end or my death, I will probably not continue playing under this DM in any further campaigns. I will also confront this DM vocally, however not in the campaign time itself but prior to, next time we will meet.
EDIT: I am WELL aware that Rapiers cannot have Vorpal. I am going to use this against the DM at the net meeting.
This seems like a very odd situation: a whole group bullying you in what is supposed to be a relaxed and fun social atmosphere. Are you in the military? A crowded dorm room? I guess what I'm suggesting is that you need better friends, especially ones who respect you.
Quit that game. Go have fun elsewhere.
I agree with the advice of the others here. The game is supposed to be fun, and GMs are not supposed to be retaliatory (or show favouritism, for that matter), particularly when you handled the situation in an appropriate fashion (speaking to the GM privately).
I would strongly recommend that you discontinue playing with this group immediately. No matter the outcome, there is bound to be bad blood if you continue to play.
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It's too bad that these jerks are such cowards that they can't just tell you you don't mesh with the group, instead of pulling this crap.
I, too, believe you should stop immediately. That'll be an extra week to find another group to play with.
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Hire a bunch of equal level hirelings then its all action economy and there is no way that 1 character of equal level can kill 8. Then whenever he opens his mouth just tell him to try it. Or better yet roll up a new character thats a paladin since this other guy seems evil and then you can be the one who puts him in his place all day every day and he won't be able to do shit.
Okay, I have changed my name. At this time, I am far too involved now and a majority of the issue has changed to the point I would not need that name any further.
As it is, I would like to express my gratitude to everyone for helping me with this issue. Upon seeing the two GMs, I requested some time to speak with them. While only a little was done concerning the player that wants to kill me. As far as it is, that player is not so much an issue to me any further. The Creative DM (and friend to the irritating PC) is now much more aggressive on killing my character. As it is, I have specifically been given multiple weaker buffs and numerous penalties in order to keep me weaker than the rest of the party. He additionally gave a nod to the PC right when I "angered" an NPC and now my bow was stolen from my character by the PC... I now am being attacked by a Large Stone Centaur with three attacks per Full-Round with a "Magical Vorpal Rapier +2". I apparently survived the first attack and was told by the DM that "You will, without doubt, die next time".
While I will continue this campaign until the end or my death, I will probably not continue playing under this DM in any further campaigns. I will also confront this DM vocally, however not in the campaign time itself but prior to, next time we will meet.
EDIT: I am WELL aware that Rapiers cannot have Vorpal. I am going to use this against the DM at the net meeting.
How is it that I keep getting proven right?
I can relate to your situation. Two buds - Eric and Jesse - both knew the system way too well and let each other's characters have way too many good items or special bonuses that the rest of the table didn't get. I stopped playing, because even after making super broken characters, I would still only be doing 25% the dpr at a lower ac, saves, hp, and gear that there characters could do... and they would gloat about being better.
Personally, that is bs about the centaur. The way you describe sounds like your only options are getting your character killed, leaving the table, or playing a significantly weaker character than this person with emotional problems (like go to the doctor-serious issues).
You may already know all this:
Invisibility purge does not break stealth.
Darkness is a lighting condition. Lighting conditions range from 1 (very bright) to 4 (dark). Darkness lowers the lighting condition by 2. If the room is very bright, it will become dim (3) and normal creatures, such as humans without darkvision or low light, can see with a torch.
Oracle has like 20 specialties. His effectiveness really depends on what type of oracle he is. At L8, he has 4 benefits in addition to casting clerical spells similar to a Sorcerer (you know like 6 spells that you can cast without preparation like 6 times per day per spell level) . Oracles are divine spell casters more closely aligned to clerics than druids or rangers. Juju and Bones are two guesses to what his specialty may be, due to him being a zombie. These specialties are all about being a necromancer of a horde of undead.
There is a difference between the thieves guild and the assassins guild. The guy who killed an npc for the 'fun of it' and attempted to kill the mayor clearly sounds like a member of the assassins guild and would turn into a kill on sight person by the guards. Apparently this other 'thief' is also a member of the assassins guild also.
Oracles get medium armor - which reduces speed for everyone but dwarves. Is he a zombie dwarf? Is there a chance his speed should actually be 15, not 20?
Out of the other player's ideas. Kiting the guy sounds like the best idea.
Stealing a weapon is a DC 50 check unless you are sleeping or have dropped it. L8 characters cannot make DC 50 checks on anything except Glibness Bards (Bluff). Stealing is also a combat maneuver now. "Items fastened to a foe (such as cloaks, sheathed weapons, or pouches) are more difficult to take, and give the opponent a +5 bonus (or greater) to his CMD."
L8 Oracle has a CMB of 6+str mod. It sounds like you didn't notice the bow was missing, so he must have improved steal (+2 CMB), greater steal (+2 CMB), and combat expertise as three of his four feats (10+str mod CMB). L8 Ninja has a CMD+5(at least) of 21+str mod+dex mod. I do not believe an Oracle would take these three feats, even given the campaign. L8 Thief with these three feats has a CMB of 10+str mod.
The vorpal thing on the rapier was probably a mistake. There are a f-ton of rules - a great DM can mess up a few times on ultra-specifics like this one.
Don't play his game: Wait for him to attack you. Do nothing. "Hold action" every round and stand there until his character kills yours. Maybe take a bathroom break or go play video games until he's done. Tell him your AC and hot points and ask him to let you know when he's finished.
Seriously, it sounds like he's just doing it to get under your skin, so don't let him. As far as you're concerned, the game ended five minutes before the pvp started, when y'all killed the big bad.
Odds are at 8th level he will be flying, and probably have some sort of defense against fire and arrows up That's why during the combat, you should open up with a scroll of Dispel Magic, or even better, Anti Magic Field. Then hit him with flaming arrows, alchemists fire and the like. Be sure to have your Use Magic Device skill up, and drink a skill-boosting potion to pull it off.
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You should really just quit playing their game.
As an aside, the character is probably using Pilfering Hand.
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Scroll of control undead. Make him cut off his own head.
You need to ask yourself, Geovanni, "Am I gonna walk away and be the bigger man, or does some part of me really want to kill the gamers (in the pathfinder universe) that have harmed me and rub it in their face?"
If it's the first one, I imagine you would have already walked away from the table. That's probably the best option.
If it's the second one...
That's tricky. Because the DM sounds awful and you can't get your 'revenge' on him. He controls everything and apparently will twist things to his whim.
If he is a sadistic or cruel person, seeing you struggle and cry out against the absurdities and lack of fairness is like a drug to him. He will make judgement calls in the favor of your enemies just to get that high.
Don't play anymore, man. That campaign sounds like a circus.
I agree with Spastic Puma. Your best bet is to walk away from this toxic play environment.
The more I learn these spells, the more this system seems broken to me.
The game is not broken just the people you are playing with, as the others have said get out, the 2 gm's, players, enivornmemt, PVP, overpowered races/pc's just spells complete and utter disaster to me.
Honest opinion...MMORPG players trying to play a tabletop version of a PVP game. This is NOT pathfinder or anykind of tabletop rpg I know of.
Rubbish, utter, utter rubbish, not my style of game at all.
If you like that kind of thing that's fine I guess though, if not just get out dude and start you're own game.
Or, better yet, philter of love combined with a syringe spear.
Hit him once while constantly yelling his name. He will love you (probably in a platonic fashion) forever.
It's worth noting that the philter is not a mind-affecting effect and has no save, so the undead immunity doesn't apply. Also, only a successful hit injects the contents of the syringe spear, so a miss does not.
If it's a big deal about the "drinking" part, make a called shot to the mouth.
If you catch him flat-footed, it should still be doable, though difficult at the -10 penalty. If you have a way of getting a one-use true strike, do that.
Darkvision does not allow them to see through deeper darkness' supernaturally dark level.
Thus, unless you're in normal or bright light already, they can't see either.
As to your question about whether or not things are "broken", it depends entirely on what you want to do.
The spell itself isn't as broken as it seems because casters have to expend one of their limited spell-slots (whereas martials can do it at will), though the fact that they can do so at range is certainly quite a benefit, and probably more than worth it.
In terms of PvP, yes, outside of certain martial builds (which can be quite ridiculous in power), spells can definitely be considered "broken". Pathfinder was not built for PvP, however.
That said, PvP can be fun, two GMs can be fun, and situations tangentially similar to yours can be fun. But the GMs in question need to be fair (and knowledgeable), the situation needs to be "clean" and the people need to be honest. They are not in your case.
You've just got a terrible situation for PvP and a bad GM from everything I've heard.
Also, he's not a member of a Thieves' Guild that's a Thieves' Guild in anything but name only. It's an acting Assassins' Guild. It doesn't matter that it's for the money. Most people don't assassinate others just to kill. They do it for a reason. When a guild, as a guild, accepts assassination assignments for any reason, they, shockingly enough, become assassins by default (because they are engaging in assassination) and thus are an assassins' guild. They might also be a thieves' guild, but they are an assassins' guild by definition of the word assassin.
Also, they're evil. Because, you know, accepting money for killing someone who isn't actively committing evil acts is evil. It doesn't matter their motivation, unless they are deceived, they are evil.
I do want to say that, while I'm siding with you, I'm doing so tentatively. I understand that you're giving us your side of the story. I've no idea what the other side is. They could be "just as justified" as you, if not more so. I don't know how, of course. And, from what you've told us, it's a bad situation, with bad GMing, and bad playing.
My suggestion is to stop caring. Enjoy while you play, but otherwise just don't care. Let your character die if he dies. Relax. Have no worries. And then don't play with those two again.
(But do let them know that their rules-knowledge is either faulty or outright cheating. Don't do so angrily, just matter of factually.)
So (after reading most of this thread) why play with them in the first place? There's surely no way that they can be the only game in town.
Flip this is funny. Especially the giant lobster bit.
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There are really only 2 strong DMs at the college that I go to. With that said, we all know each other and "bad blood" will cause A LOT of trouble for everyone. Regardless of that, I am hoping that if I confront that DM, others may say something similar and get that DM to really consider things. Even if I don't play in his campaigns, he is still a good guy otherwise and I think some One-Shot 4 Hour campaigns might teach me the game more too. In such a short event-campaign, I don't think they could get up to too much without making it obvious in their actions and that I can assure you will get the others against them.
Correction. There is one strong GM and one bad GM.
Do not verbally *attack* the bad GM. Instead, when the session is about to start, tell everyone what specific issues were placed upon your character *atfer* you asked the GM to handle the problem. Then tell everyone that you will not play with a GM that is not willing to play fair. Then leave. Take your character stuff and exit. Do not let them call you back. This has become a no-win situation. Be sure you tel the others that a GM who is out to destroy your fun is a GM you will not play with.
Don't plan on how to *fix* the other PC. Don't worry about incorrect understanding of the rules. You tried to fix things, and the bad GM decided to get revenge. It is time to leave.
"Toxic environment" VS Player with Chip on shoulder and a BIG way to screw everyone... It will irritate them more than they do me. :P
Screwing it up for everyone will ruin it for everyone. You will be doing to them what the bad GM is doing to you. Don't go there.
I am just going to focus on getting through the campaign and/or killing everyone in order to make sure that they know I was unhappy. Then I will not play with them again. Unfortunately, that means that I will probably never play again...
Leaving the table after telling everyone what caused you to leave will let everyone know you were unhappy, and why. Screwing them all in the process will drop your chances for playing. Doing nothing will improve your chances. Don't let the bad GM's style become yours.
/cevah
When I was back in college, there didn't appear to be many gamers, but I started gaming in public and suddenly I had more players than I could easily fit into games and had to go to multiple games.
The final thing I'd say on that, can you DM? If so, start doing so to give people a chance to get awake from the jackaninny who's obviously playing favorites.
Also good advice from cevah while I was typing...;)
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ask him to stop , if he refuses. offer him ur character sheet and say if it matters so much rip it up. if he does well you know what kind of person he is.
or talk to gm or host pvp party, a one on one fights. make bracts this could get it out of his system but stick to legal stuff and say heres ur chance.
if that doesn't work talk to the gm about retiring ur character and build a new one
Friend, read my profile.
Now, as one of the most senior players of D&D still on this mortal coil, I can tell you- this game is not worth it.
There's two ways out:
Send everyone an email saying you're not having fun and wish them all the best. See if anyone else wants to leave.
Or, when they next attack you say "I die". Don't put up a fight. Just say "Ok, you win, fill-in-name-of-character-here is dead" "Thanks for the game. Bye!"