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Hey all!
After a fairly rousing thread about this that got the "question unclear" response, I'm going to make the question quite clear.
Here's the ability! With some bonus contextual information!
Bardic Performance
A thundercaller gains the following types of bardic performance.
Thunder Call (Su): At 3rd level, the thundercaller can use her performance to unleash a deafening peal of thunder. This allows the thundercaller to spend a round of performance to create an effect similar to the spell sound burst (having the same range and area and allowing the same saving throw). At 7th level, the sonic damage that is dealt by this blast of sound increases to 3d8. This damage further increases to 5d8 at 11th level, 7d8 at 15th level, and 9d8 at 19th level.
This performance replaces inspire competence.
Here's the first half of bardic performance.
Bardic Performance: A bard is trained to use the Perform skill to create magical effects on those around him, including himself if desired. He can use this ability for a number of rounds per day equal to 4 + his Charisma modifier. At each level after 1st a bard can use bardic performance for 2 additional rounds per day. Each round, the bard can produce any one of the types of bardic performance that he has mastered, as indicated by his level.
Starting a bardic performance is a standard action, but it can be maintained each round as a free action. Changing a bardic performance from one effect to another requires the bard to stop the previous performance and start a new one as a standard action. A bardic performance cannot be disrupted, but it ends immediately if the bard is killed, paralyzed, stunned, knocked unconscious, or otherwise prevented from taking a free action to maintain it each round. A bard cannot have more than one bardic performance in effect at one time.
At 7th level, a bard can start a bardic performance as a move action instead of a standard action. At 13th level, a bard can start a bardic performance as a swift action.
Specific Question: Can the Thundercaller activate Thundercall twice or even three times per round (at 7th and 13th level, respectively)?
General Question: Can the bard activate multiple performances a round if he ends one before starting the other? For example: At level 13, can the bard end the performance he was using between rounds, start Dirge of Doom as a swift action, cast a spell as a standard action, end Dirge of Doom as a free action, and then start Inspire Courage as a move action?
Please hit the FAQ button, as both of these questions pop up somewhat often.
And keep the vitriol to a dull roar. There are a thousand of other threads to get angry about this issue in.
Good thread Cheapy - long standing issue that comes up frequently and needs to be clarified.
And keep the vitriol to a dull roar. There are a thousand of other threads to get angry about this issue in.
I laughed. =)
EDIT: No problem Cheapy.
Yes! I meant 13th, thanks.
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I've hit the FAQ button. I was going to add some further comments, but I see that you'd prefer I didn't, and I'll respect that wish.
I've hit the FAQ button too. I know James Jacobs already has answered yes on the general question, but as you have pointed the question pops up often.
So thanks to you we can perhaps finally have an answer. I'll give you a cookie with lots of love :)
FAQ'd for great interest. It has ramifications for any "instant action" performance that doesn't contain explicit clarification.
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Related question in another thread:
what is the DC of thundercalling (and other bard abilities without a clear DC??
FAQed your post, Cheapy.
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FAQ'd the other thread's post Diego, and going to bump this up to the top of the list, as I see many other topics getting hit with FAQ responses.
I'd like to see this one addressed also as it's come up frequently. If you're reading this and haven't hit the FAQ button yet, please do so. Thanks!
Edit: Also, for any newcomers, please adhere to the following...
And keep the vitriol to a dull roar. There are a thousand of other threads to get angry about this issue in.
I know, I'm kind of evil like that.
I know it's not super clear, but I would think that since it says "Effect similar to sound burst", it would be a standard action as the spell, but that's just me.
As for the saving throw DC, I would say that since it's a supernatural effect (When it should be spell-like because duh, it emulates sound burst), it would be 10 + half bard level + bard's Charisma modifier.
the answer will be (DC 10 + 1/2 the bard’s level + the bard’s Cha modifier) like it is for all class abilities that have DCs.
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the answer will be (DC 10 + 1/2 the bard’s level + the bard’s Cha modifier) like it is for all class abilities that have DCs.
Oh, that was actually FAQ to 10 + Spell Level + CHA.
The one I was wondering about is the action of using Thunder Call. Can it be used more than once a round? That question has not been answered with a FAQ.
that's the problem with necro threads. Too hard to figure out what's going on...
Considering the impact of the answer possibly being "Yes", I would venture to say "No". This one should be nerfed to only once per round, IMO. An at will sonic AoE? Multiple times per round? Yikes.
This is likely the most broken archetype I can recall (meaning OPed, not useless).
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Considering the impact of the answer possibly being "Yes", I would venture to say "No". This one should be nerfed to only once per round, IMO. An at will sonic AoE? Multiple times per round? Yikes.
This is likely the most broken archetype I can recall (meaning OPed, not useless).
In the Sound Striker thread where we worked out with a design team member how to nerf Weird Workds, someone brought up "well that would make it less powerful than Thundercall. The response:
Paraphrased as "Thundercall is too good and should be changed also."
But I don't think it will any time soon.
Considering the impact of the answer possibly being "Yes", I would venture to say "No". This one should be nerfed to only once per round, IMO. An at will sonic AoE? Multiple times per round? Yikes.
This is likely the most broken archetype I can recall (meaning OPed, not useless).In the Sound Striker thread where we worked out with a design team member how to nerf Weird Workds, someone brought up "well that would make it less powerful than Thundercall. The response:
Paraphrased as "Thundercall is too good and should be changed also."
But I don't think it will any time soon.
Exactly this. Was that stated by a Developer? I seem to recall it was, but uncertain.
Being in a Player Companion, it was also noted in that thread there would be no errata--though it was obvious it was/is needed.|
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Was there ever an answer to this? Sigh. My spouse is playing one in PFS and I would like a firm ruling.
By RAW, it would seem you could do it twice per round at lvl 7 because the bard can move action performance then. As far as the "A bard cannot have more than one bardic performance in effect at one time," it seems to me that you do one as a move action (and then the effect ends) and then start the next as a standard action. So you only have one in effect at any time.
I can certainly see, however, how others could read it differently. It would be nice to have a firm ruling.
As far as the DC of it goes, this was answered by James Jacobs in this link.
Was there ever an answer to this? Sigh. My spouse is playing one in PFS and I would like a firm ruling.
By RAW, it would seem you could do it twice per round at lvl 7 because the bard can move action performance then. As far as the "A bard cannot have more than one bardic performance in effect at one time," it seems to me that you do one as a move action (and then the effect ends) and then start the next as a standard action. So you only have one in effect at any time.
I can certainly see, however, how others could read it differently. It would be nice to have a firm ruling.
As far as the DC of it goes, this was answered by James Jacobs in this link.
Considering Sean K Reynolds said it should be nerfed, I would certainly limit it to once per round.
Firm ruling's seem to be scarce with regard to the wonderful Bard...