James Jacobs
Creative Director
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James Jacobs wrote:I hope that doesn't mean everyone forgot Shoanti in the (new) campaign setting book again.Eric Tillemans wrote:Don't forget the Shoanti!I'm tempted to have everyone here get tattoos that say that.
Nope. The Shoanti are in the revised book. And even if they weren't there's still a LOT of time to fix things like that for the revised book (which is now not releasing until early next year).
James Jacobs
Creative Director
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I'd have preferred it if the different ethnicities had gotten a book of their own each, but barring that, this will definately do.
You realize that would have been 12 different books, yeah? And that at our current rate of 2 or so race books a year, it'd take us 6 years to get them all out?
Lumping them all into one book's the only sane option.
| Kajehase |
Kajehase wrote:I'd have preferred it if the different ethnicities had gotten a book of their own each, but barring that, this will definately do.You realize that would have been 12 different books, yeah? And that at our current rate of 2 or so race books a year, it'd take us 6 years to get them all out?
Lumping them all into one book's the only sane option.
I'm a Wheel of Time fan. Six years waiting for a series to end is nothing. ;)
But yeah, I realise this way is ...smoother. Doesn't I can't dream, though.
| Kajehase |
Kajehase wrote:At least you are not being "Mean" about it. :)I'm a Wheel of Time fan. Six years waiting for a series to end is nothing. ;)
But yeah, I realise this way is ...smoother. Doesn't I can't dream, though.
*facepalm*
I hate typing on the ipod. I think I've made more typos in two weeks than I did in the two previois years. Grrrrr
Kvantum
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now when you say half-breeds what do you mean? tieflings?
Half-elves and Half-orcs can get some options here. After all, they have some options in their non-human half's Companions as well (Elves of Golarion and Orcs of Golarion).
LostSoul
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As far as the Azlanti I thought that they were truy extint or have I missed something? Don't get me wrong, I would love to see them allowed as an "official" subrace. I am just confused as to them being extinct or not.
Or are they? hehe it would be fun to have the option to run them in a game whether they have moved underground, to a remote continent, or another plane. I would love some options with them.
Enlight_Bystand
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As far as the Azlanti I thought that they were truy extint or have I missed something? Don't get me wrong, I would love to see them allowed as an "official" subrace. I am just confused as to them being extinct or not.
Pure Azlanti, yes. People of Azlanti blood, but with something else mixed in, not so much.
Kevida
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Kevida wrote:As far as the Azlanti I thought that they were truy extint or have I missed something? Don't get me wrong, I would love to see them allowed as an "official" subrace. I am just confused as to them being extinct or not.Pure Azlanti, yes. People of Azlanti blood, but with something else mixed in, not so much.
Well, the description has me believe that they (pure blood Azlanti) are being "fleshed out". I mean it may be an interpreation thing but that's how I am reading it.
Kevida
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Kevida wrote:As far as the Azlanti I thought that they were truy extint or have I missed something? Don't get me wrong, I would love to see them allowed as an "official" subrace. I am just confused as to them being extinct or not.Pure Azlanti, yes. People of Azlanti blood, but with something else mixed in, not so much.
To add to your comment. Most of us are aware of the mixed blood races (Taldnas, Chelaxians, etc) and that they exist. However, if you look at the description you'll see that Azlanti are listed seperately from one of the mixed races (Taldans). I am not trying to soung mean and if I come off as such then I apologize but I am merely trying to show you how I came to the concusion that I did.
| Enevhar Aldarion |
Ya know, there is a difference between being direct descendants and being of mixed blood. We already know about the mixed blood ethnic groups, but maybe there is some old colony or something still out there where they are not mixed but are direct descendants and are pure blood. Maybe they are on another continent or on some previously unexplored island. After all, this book is called Humans of Golarion, not Humans of the Inner Sea. Plus, it comes out after the revised Inner Sea Campaign Guide, so we may get our answers in February and not have to wait til April. :)
| Kajehase |
Regarding the Azlanti, I suspect they will be like the ones mentioned in the ethnicities sections of the Campaign Setting and the Gazetteer - humans from various parts of the Inner Sea region who claim to be of more or less pure Azlanti descent. But it'd be cool if I'm wrong and we get to see some proper Azlanti.
Enlight_Bystand
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Enlight_Bystand wrote:To add to your comment. Most of us are aware of the mixed blood races (Taldnas, Chelaxians, etc) and that they exist. However, if you look at the description you'll see that Azlanti are listed seperately from one of the mixed races (Taldans). I am not trying to soung mean and if I come off as such then I apologize but I am merely trying to show you how I came to the concusion that I did.Kevida wrote:As far as the Azlanti I thought that they were truy extint or have I missed something? Don't get me wrong, I would love to see them allowed as an "official" subrace. I am just confused as to them being extinct or not.Pure Azlanti, yes. People of Azlanti blood, but with something else mixed in, not so much.
In the present hardcover Campaign Setting there is a two page spread on Azlanti, which talks about the rare people who are strongly blooded enough to be distinct from the generic slush of the Taldans/Cheliaxians, or at least different enough to claim it. This is what I meant by 'People of Azlanti blood, but with something else mixed in.'
No need to apologize; I can see where the confusion could emerge. I probably should have expanded on my comment more.
Kevida
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Regarding the Azlanti, I suspect they will be like the ones mentioned in the ethnicities sections of the Campaign Setting and the Gazetteer - humans from various parts of the Inner Sea region who claim to be of more or less pure Azlanti descent. But it'd be cool if I'm wrong and we get to see some proper Azlanti.
It is ageed that, yes the various enticities are mentioned in the Campaign steeting and Gazetteer are "humans from various parts of the Inner Sea region who claim to be of more or less pure Azlanti descent."
However the description says, "Now, for the first time, the Pathfinder Player Companion delves into the history, culture, and ambitions of Golarion’s humans, from the near-extinct Azlanti and the decadent Taldans to the proud, primitive Kellids and Mwangi." This is what led me to think what I thought. Now you could very well be right but I have a hope, like you do, that we are going to get a write up on "proper Azlanti" :-)
Kevida
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Kevida wrote:Enlight_Bystand wrote:To add to your comment. Most of us are aware of the mixed blood races (Taldnas, Chelaxians, etc) and that they exist. However, if you look at the description you'll see that Azlanti are listed seperately from one of the mixed races (Taldans). I am not trying to soung mean and if I come off as such then I apologize but I am merely trying to show you how I came to the concusion that I did.Kevida wrote:As far as the Azlanti I thought that they were truy extint or have I missed something? Don't get me wrong, I would love to see them allowed as an "official" subrace. I am just confused as to them being extinct or not.Pure Azlanti, yes. People of Azlanti blood, but with something else mixed in, not so much.In the present hardcover Campaign Setting there is a two page spread on Azlanti, which talks about the rare people who are strongly blooded enough to be distinct from the generic slush of the Taldans/Cheliaxians, or at least different enough to claim it. This is what I meant by 'People of Azlanti blood, but with something else mixed in.'
No need to apologize; I can see where the confusion could emerge. I probably should have expanded on my comment more.
I just didn't want to come off as mean, arrogant or anything like that. I wouldn't be disappointed if "Pure" Azlanti aren't given a write-up as a possible PC class because I will get this book regardless. On the other hand, wouldn't be great if Paizo included them? Well, I think that it would be! :-)
| Berik |
Maybe it might turn out that a small enclave of Azlanti are surviving in Tian Xia? They could have had some kind of diplomatic relationship and so an ambassador and staff were left behind. I'd quite like the idea of a little village of Azlanti stubbornly clinging on to their traditions in the middle of Tian Xia. :)
Kevida
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Maybe it might turn out that a small enclave of Azlanti are surviving in Tian Xia? They could have had some kind of diplomatic relationship and so an ambassador and staff were left behind. I'd quite like the idea of a little village of Azlanti stubbornly clinging on to their traditions in the middle of Tian Xia. :)
Better yet on a part of Galorian that is "Terra Incognita". I am thinking like a small island nation to the west where a small but viable colony can still exist. However this is all speculation and it could be that it wlll be like it is in the Campaign Setting/Gazetteer. Like I said before, either way I will get this because I am such a Pathfinder 'ho!
| Black Moria |
It is highly unlikely that pure Azlanti are extinct. Given migration, travel and planeswalking, it would be extremely unlikely for some calamity or natural event or series of events to wipe them out.
Only a targetted genocide type event would likely do so and there is nothing in pathfinder canon that suggests that.
Because there is no specific mention of pure Azlanti in the current timeline doesn't mean they aren't any.
As to why they might be secretative and yet to be revealed, think about it - you are the last of a handful of pure Azlanti. You don't exactly go about advertising your existance...
| Surion |
Hue-mons? Never heard of the race, have they appeared in previous publications? ;p
Truth be told, I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, I am eager to see if there might be any new half-breeds(ideally of the most "exotic" race possible), on the other hand it takes a lot for me to find humans interesting in any fantasy setting(any human character I've played has either had a peculiar bloodline, became an undead horror, grafted various limbs and items to themselves, or were raised in the Cage...berk)
Matthew Morris
RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8
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I'll be interested to see how the canon Azlanti mix with my versions:
And no, the Aboleths are not masters of Pact Magic in my Golarion, they know of it, but it was originally a human/Azlanti magic.