Internet has been crapping, just bought a week worth of 5 mpbs per sec. Painful but this no internet or posting is pissing me off.
Seraph is still here.
Hopin' things be swell or every one an' such.
Okay.
My proposal: constitutional monarchy.
The power to draft laws, appoint nobles, declare law and forge alliances etc. lies with the king/queen, but laws and declarations of war at least must be approved both by a court of noble houses and a court of citizen representatives.
Jurisprudence is NOT under royal control and the monarch may not level or overthrow a binding legal verdict. Judges must be elected by consensus vote of the two courts. Candidates may NOT receive financial support from either court nor reigning monarch nor foreign ppwers, and must be educated in the Law.
Religious groups may NOT wield direct political or military power (there will always be advisors). Public political figures and nobles may likewise NOT be church/temple officials.
All citizens will have inalienable rights to freedom and happiness under the law, barring those sentenced to indentured servitude or death for egregious crimes. All citizens are required to pay an annual tax, but no more than they can spare and not necessarily in coin; service and goods are perfectly acceptable.
Power over the army resides with the reigning monarch. Each noble house is allowed its own retinue guard, which must be made available for the defence of the nation and its citizens at need. Each community is allowed its own militia for the sole use of its defence against outside threats. The militias will be composed solely of people who have undergone formal training in peacekeeping techniques, have sworn loyalty to the nation, and are prepared to follow directives from a centralized militia organization to be formed. (The police.)
All community leaders have the right to call on local nobles or the reigning monarch to dispatch (part of) the army to aid in their defence against outside threats.
Any noble or monarch who consistently and/or egregiously abuses their station may be called to account for themselves before the court of law and stripped of rank, station, possessions and name, if not more, if found guilty.
If the monarch is deposed or dies, the crown passes to a candidate selected from among the noble and civilian representatives by majority vote. Inheritance does NOT apply to crown and throne; the right to rule must be earned, it is not given.
How's that?
DM Kenderkin, now we're in power, Asta would like to invite representatives from the faiths of Apsu, Lissala, Milani and Sivanah as soon as possible. :)
Seraph likes it, though being one of Arshea her religion isn't overall concerned with political sway. Building bathhouses and places of cleanliness aren't a lose lose in either department haha.
*Tips hat*
Is a fine and right soundin' set of ideas sure enough.
Maybe a few tweaks and tightenin' round tha' gussets here an' there.
*Nods*
The whole "Heir can be voted in." thing? Yah, that's somat I be a mite wary of.
Rather have heirs to thrones be related to them's what's passed away. Less inclined fer multiple people to quickly find themselves wearin' a crown, kind'a thing.
*Whistles a tune*
♫ There's no place, I can be,♪
♪ Since I've found Serenity. ♫
♫ And you can't take the sky from me. ♪
Hmmm...
How about:
Any priest who seeks political power must agree to leave the clerical hierarchy. Meaning that they can no longer train acolytes or give orders to clerical staff, and can no longer receive orders from superior clerical staff.
(All due respect to your deity, but I'd like to head off the possibility of a theocracy. Speaking of which...)
These same rules apply to any member of the Circle of Casters, which is to be founded to provide magical protection to this our nation.
(This includes yours truly. Once the Circle is up and running, I'm out of it. I take, but I also give.)
As for heirs:
The incumbent monarch is required to select and train potential heirs during their reign; a minimum of one, but a maximum of five at the same time, one of whom may NOT be related to them. Upon the monarch's death or removal from office, the noble and civilian courts choose the next monarch from among the available candidates by majority vote. Any potential heir found guilty of influencing the vote or eliminating other potentials from the running is immediately disqualified. If this discovery is made after coronation, they are immediately removed from rank, station and authority, in addition to other sentences levelled by the judicial court. If no potential heirs are available, the most successful ranking members of the noble houses are appointed as potential heirs and may be voted in by the noble and civilian courts through majority vote.
How's that? Everyone good? CWE, any input? :)
*Nods*
Is lookin' an' soundin' good.
Much cheers and best wishes t' all. :)
So, if we agree to Torod's changes and make a similar proviso for arcane casters, are we all cool with the basis for the constitution? :)
Aye. The current wording does sound quite agreeable.
+1
:)
Hoping every thing is going swell for every one.
Looks like Kenderkin hasn't posted anywhere :/ hope he is alright. :(
So.
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Should we advertise for a replacement DM?
Yeah, I hope he comes back. Just looking at all of his games and he vanished in everything all at the same time. No word or warning from what I can tell. :/
So yeah hopefully he is okay. :(
I'd rather not take on another game, as I am slow enough as it is. But that depends what type of interest we get from other DM's. Should we wait one more week and see if anything starts moving?
Let's. And I do think we should have someone else as DM; I'd hate to lose Seraph! ;)
*Sets up candle*
Hoping our DM is well.
Oh he has? Didn't know that. :/
Well I still hope he is alright but I'm not to picky on who DM's.
:(
Still hoping and wishing DM well with what ever has taken them down/out.
*Adjusts candle*
So... we wait a while/week?
(>_>)
Alright, I'm calling it.
DM Kenderkin has done well by us, but he now seems to have disappeared, whatever the reason -- and we are on the verge of getting to the next stage of our kingdom.
I am enjoying this adventure very much and want to continue.
If you all agree... then it is time to advertise for a new DM, and to get this show back on the road!
Should DM Kenderkin return, we can discuss the best way to move forward at that time.
All in favour?
:'(
*Raises trembling hand*
Aye.
If DM Kenderkin is reading, wishing them all the best.
In favor. :)
Trying to catch up. Expect a game post in our other thread soonish. Work is being :P Long days and little sleep. Feh.
*Hugz Seraph*
I feels ya pain.
Right, then! I'll go put up a recruitment for a new DM.
Gall darn-it! How'd that Elf get in here?
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Greetings,
I saw your missive and would like to offer my services as a GM, at least through the end of book 2 and probably book 3.
I have played through book 1&2 and GM book 3 before. While I haven't yet DM on this site I have DM PBP on another site for several years, and actively play on Pazio's PFS PBP.
I notice KinderKin was pretty much ignoring the Kingdom building part of book 2, while it does require more bookkeeping I think it's important for the Player/PCs to make the choices and and rolls to grow their Kiingdom. Some game time would be devoted to holding court and the small council meetings.
I hope to pick up the game pace as far as moving through the books. I see that the group as been playing for nearly 3 years and only in book 2, but an average of 4 post a day which is very good. I generally like to post once per day. The weekends and holidays can very.
I think I can pickup the threads that KinderKin was weaving the main ones being the Troll threat and girl Imiria, and weave them back into the story with the kingdom building.
It will take me some time to digest the story so far, but I would be able to start posting from the coronation if you want me pick up the GM duties.
What do you guy's think?
All in favour?
I'm in, work and the coming birth of my third child is consuming me this month. I hope to keep up we will see.
I don't mind the Kingdom Building rules at all but I haven't found a suitable way to track it well online. Except through spreadsheets of course.
So +1, lets get the ball rolling! :D
Are we tweaking characters or continuing as is? I don't know if there is much I need to tweak but I don't know what character requirement you may want GM Glyn
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I haven't looked at the existing characters in detail yet and don't plan on requiring any changes to them if you have some tweaks then now would be a good time.
Going forward (new PC, leveling up) I would disallow 3rd party material (I haven't seen any obvious use of it yet. If there is let me know now). Primarily using the Pazio's main line of pathfinder books, kingmaker line and other Pazio pathfinder material selectively.
As for the kingdom building, I would be using the rules from the Ultimate Campaign book. Looking into using Hero Lab for tracking the effects of buildings, there is also a Windows application I found that looks interesting. I'll try to keep the number crunching to a minimum, players who like the number crunching are welcome to do so.
How was XP and PC leveling handled? I like the milestone method in other paths , but Kingmaker sandbox makes that more difficult.
GM Glyn As I understood it, it was Milestone method. If handing our XP works better then thats fine too but I am good either way.
Herolab Build all my stuff that I can with it.
Will you allow the use of Downtime / Building businesses and Organization rules from Ultimate Campaign as well?
I'm in favour. ^_^
At this point, I'd like to change Asta's alignment from Lawful Neutral to True Neutral. (No longer obeying others, but ruling on her own and writing her own laws. I'll probably shift to Neutral Good later in the AP.)
Question #1:
How would GM and players feel about retroactively activating background skills for our characters?
Question #2:
GM Glyn, for the coronation, could we invite representatives or preferably the rulers of the Kobold and Mite communities, as well as clerics of Apsu, Brigh, Lissala, Milani and Sivanah as well as Jhod?
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From Asta's actions I would peg her as Lawful Good. Very much in favor of rules, oaths, treaties, and preventing the unnessary loss of life. But, you can change your alignment to what you believe your character's driving tendances are.
My concept of True Neutral is one of two thoughts. 1) You don't care about the axes of law vs chaos or Good evil. 2) your care very much about the balance of the axes of law vs chaos and good vs evil. IE too much of any one thing is bad. (Too much time playing as a NN Druid.)
1) Background skills - I would rather stick with the standard skill system for now.
2) Coronation invites:
I believe you were traveling with Crackjaw, Jhod and Mikmek.
While you can invite who ever you want the church of Milani is the only one of the five that established public presences in the river kingdoms. Still it would require delaying the coronation for weeks.
Also, Jhod may also be disappointed in the new kingdom actively inviting other religions into what he considers Erastil's prime hunting ground, not that he minds having other religions so long as they are on good terms with Erastil and his beliefs. His goal is to restore Erastil standing throughout the stolen lands.
I'll start GM posting this evening.
Invite Milani? We don't want an uprising at the outset.
No, but she's there to keep us honest. Milani only instigates uprisings against evil and oppressive regimes. ^_^
Oh -- and we should also invite a priest of Arshea!
2) Coronation invites:
I believe you were traveling with Crackjaw, Jhod and Mikmek.
While you can invite who ever you want the church of Milani is the only one of the five that established public presences in the river kingdoms. Still it would require delaying the coronation for weeks.
Also, Jhod may also be disappointed in the new kingdom actively inviting other religions into what he considers Erastil's prime hunting ground, not that he minds having other religions so long as they are on good terms with Erastil and his beliefs. His goal is to restore Erastil standing throughout the stolen lands.
I don't mind waiting if we can do that in flex time. More time for folks to make their journey to Greenheart if they want to attend the coronation. ;)
While I'd apologize to Jhod, each of those invites is for a solid reason.
Apsu - draconic deity. A nod of respect to the Kobolds, and hopefully both a benign influence on them and a reason for average folks not to immediately equate draconic creatures with enemies.
Arshea - Seraph's patron.
Brigh - Brigh stands for scientific improvement, which is something I'd like for our kingdom. We don't want some isolated backwater, we want the place jumping! :D
Erastil - He has to be there, this is prime country for him, and his clerics have been very helpful. He'll help expand the kingdom.
Lissala - There are Always going to be evil people in any country. Using Lissala will give them a focus, and at least she's a deity of civil order. If used properly, we can at least have the evil folks pissing out, rather than in, and we can head off missionaries from Cheliax and Nidala, not to mention heading off chaotic evil deities and creeps like Norgorber.
Milani - As I said, she's there to keep us honest, and to show the people we mean to be good rulers.
Sivanah - Asta's patron, and a good alternative for the church of Nethys, which has negative as well as positive aspects.
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The prior GM had it so that the people wanted the announcement and coronation to be soon. I suggested the next day, but now I say we give it two weeks to get everything in order, send invites, and make it a very festive two or three day event.
Got no problem with any of those as long as Erastil is the featured deity and a priest of Erastil (Jhod) actually performs the coronation. Not only for Torod's personal bias, but I think the people would be more accepting of Erastil's authority in this area.
I fully understand if and even recommend that Asta also receives a blessing from a priest of Sivanah. This would help show our religious tolerance.
I get Arshea, Brigh, and even Apsu, if that is the god they worship. We might want to check that. But you mention Lissala, a lost if not dead god, but not any of the major deities that hold some sway in the region like Cayden Cailean, Desna. You also left out Hanspur and Gyronna, local deities known for being spiteful.
Since I want Lissala to be a focal point for the local baddies and nogoodniks, it actually helps that she's at a really low ebb. ;) Any priests of hers we get will be easier to bully or negotiate into cooperating.
I suppose we could invite Hanspur's and Gyronna's priests to attend so we don't get a Sleeping Beauty scenario, but seeing as they're both Chaotic nasties, I'd hate to have them establish a permanent presence in the kingdom.
If Desna's and Cayden's priesthood want to put in an appearance, I'm all for it.