Don't tell me Terran has changed in 10,000 years too? ... lol
I've read that it's usually a handle animal check a few places, but fair enough, horse or pony is better than nothing. What about a hell hound or blink dog for example, those can both understand languages.
yes if you can get them to understand your languages.
Well, a blink dog speaks Sylvan and that's still the same as before. Xanya have been learning that since we met the fey. Blink dog is an alternative summon from the summon monster III list. Is it ok if I use it? Just so I don't do anything that doesn't work... Can I do the following:
A) use a hero point for an extra standard action to summon a blink dog
B) mount up with a DC 20 ride check
C) charge, using Sylvan to communicate.
On second thought, maybe I'll just stick to haste and charge...
CT pretty much said you can be in a stance already, so you can use your swift action for something else. Not like it matters for this fight, but did you factor in the bonus initiative? Also it's only a 20% miss chance. Inspire Courage is +2 at level 5.
While you
maintain this stance, you gain a +4 dodge bonus to your
AC and a +4 bonus on Initiative checks. In addition, you
become immune to the slow spell, and any power, psilike ability, spell, or spell-like ability that targets only you
suffers a 20% miss chance.
Of course now that Xanya is finally tanky she's not the one being targeted. She could take about 4 such hits and remain on her feet...
I was wondering how you got that crit range Goliath, but of course it's through Swashbuckler Weapon training and Weapon Versatility. Weapon Versatility is a free action now :). (Just so the rest of you won't have to wonder).
Would have been fun if the rest of us were on top of the giant and you had outflank for extra AoOs :).
We're those extra 2d6 fire damage? Because Goliath should have fire resistance due to the light (20 ft range on that iirc).
About the dream, I just repeated the 2d6 from Karokhan I'll replace it whatever he actually put in the message. I'm pretty sure I counted it to exactly 20 words.
The wording on brave gambit is slightly different. There is already a duration. If I was a GM I would not have let it turn instanous abilities into duration ones as I don't feel that's the intent (in general I feel like I would be a lot more lenient than CT though).
I'm flanking with you Goliath due to Golden Lion Stance.
As GM you can do what you want, but if you search the trait everyone seems to think it does exactly that turn instantaneous into duration effects. That is pretty much why everyone just ban's the trait. If they allow campaign traits to start with.
I searched and couldn't find it :(. Links would be nice, I have it too after all...
This is the closest I could find and here most seem against it
RAW any morale benefit you get lasts another 1d4 rounds. It doesn't need to have a duration of its own because Optimistic Gambler gives it a new duration regardless of the original one.
It applies to Inspire Courage too due to the save bonus and since it extends the whole effect rather than just the morale bonus for the person with the trait it would mean inspire courage would continue lasting 2d4 rounds more after you end it.
Did you remove the fire resistance? What's your current illumination?
Current Illumination is 3. Fire Resistance is still active. I removed the save bonus against mind-affecting
The extra 2d6 damage on Goliath was unholy damage, not fire.
In terms of the optimistic gambler and effects are instantaneous or apply to a specific effect ( such as next attack ), I will have to think about. By RAW it should last another 1d4 rounds regardless, but this could get rather OP for a trait. It feels a bit wrong. Maybe that was just what I ate for lunch though. The point of the gambit is to give a specific bonus to an action, so giving +6 (in this case) damage to all attacks for X rounds is kinda beyond the scope. Though its pretty sweet stacking.
As an aside, don't forget that Longirus' plant brain cannot benefit from morale effects.
Well going by the name of the abilities they should work together: Opportunistic Gambler and Brave Gambit, clearly one is about taking risks, and one is about making those risks more rewarding. I mean, what's more daring and risky than poor Xanya charging and risking to miss? She only had a +32 on the roll this time, though thankfully rideby means she doesn't provoke attack of opportunity.
I'm thinking that its beyond the scope of what should happen with for the combination. The gambit only allows for the next attack, by adding the trait power, you are taking that one attack and expanding it to all attacks basically for the a significant number of rounds. That is a lot of extra goodness from something so minor. I think it really needs to be an effect with a specific duration, intended more for spell effects like bless, heroism, rage/rage powers (depending..)
There are more, but as you can see all these only have a few post. This is because people have accepted how it works and just choose not to allow it. There has been no clarification because none is needed. It is black and white. It extends any morale effect this would include the bonus from the Gambit. It would be against RAW to change this and a house rule. Also if it doesn't work on the Gambit then you should house rule it not to work on Destructive Smite either. Just let us know.
I think it's fine to make it work on one but not the other due to difference in power.
I mean sure the destructive smite is just me, but it scales so at level 12 it is +6 damage on all my attacks. A lot of these will get lost in the wash as we all start throwing them around and they don't stack. Whatever CT wants to do.
Kiki should either have the moral bonus to her first attack (+6) or to all (+30?)
Yes it would be a change on my part overruling RAW. I am certain its well beyond the scope of what was intended. Both Community Minded and Optimistic Gambler in my mind should only work on effects that have a duration in rounds or whatever, to begin with, so its a shame they chose their wording poorly when designing (as with so many other things). Extending something from a single attack to affect ALL attacks for X number of rounds later for a trait is perhaps beyond even what I might tolerate. Possibly. At mid levels its pretty glaring, once you have even more iteratives, haste, flurries, mystic combat reflexes, and higher stats, it might be somewhat crazy to be allow this. Maybe. Obviously I don't want to take forever to debate it since it has some immediate impact, although I sometimes change my mind.
I'm mid combat post now, working through your round, so I will try to get that done soon, have had a few interruptions this morning.
I agree we don't need to debate just need to know how you want to play it. The question from here would be is it not going to work with my Destructive Smite?
I think I might do some middle ground. I don't want to nerf it outright, because I think its cool, but I might need to slim it down for instantaneous one shot effects. I will continue to ponder. I don't like nerfing things, but i have had to do it a few times so far. Particularly with this campaign I'm ok with lots of shenanigans but some things get too out of whack.
Say shenanigans one more time. :) Yep this game is exploration into the ridiculous. It is a lot of fun though. Keep up the good work.
I love Soooooper Trooopers ;)
Me too. Not enough to contribute to the kickstarter for the 2nd one but I will defiantly see it when it comes out. Meow you hear. Car RamRod over.
I'm really unsure if I should go for superstition or not on Xanya. Not being able to be healed by others is quite a drawback. I'm definitely picking up healing touch for my discovery and Horn of the Crinosphinx for one of my feats, but I'm not sure about the other one.
@Quassine, Longirus: What knowledge skills are you focusing on? I think it might be nice if we split out so we each focus in different ones rather than everyone taking the same one. I'm thinking to do knowledge nature since it also boosts my heal.
@Goliath: Why are you meditating every night?
I can't remember if we are using fractional saves or not?
The idea with the scythe was to somehow pick apart it's magic and reuse it. I guess we'll have to settle for trying to sell it.
I'm thinking to pick up the Fortune hex this level and Chant at 8. That would be appropriate for my spirit right CT? Other choices I'm considering are: Healing, Ward and Life Link.
I'm having a hard time deciding between Ironskin vs Barskin vs Lesser Restoration vs See Invisibility for my new extract. Any suggestions, anything I can copy from either of you guys with spellbooks?
CT is letting me retrain feat slots. I'm not learning a new feat just moving the position of two. As I had weapon focus before the signature Item stuff was done and I want it to be the bonus from my weapon at 3rd so I qualify for Greater Weapon focus at 6. That is all. Just needed to get it done before we leveled again.
Ironskin out paces barkskin but the duration is way less. See invis is almost a must have. My purge won't always have all targets in it.
Well, if I don't pick up see invis as an extract I can pick it up as a summoner spell and not have to worry about preparing it... It's not a spell you want to use every day, but it's nice to have at the ready.
Another option could be to pick up accute senses to help Kiki scout. It even stacks with eyes of the eagle. With that it would be a lot safer to scout and in a couple levels she would have a reasonable shot at actually spotting invisible creatures while using it. Having our scout able to see the traps would be nice.
@Longirus: You have scribe scroll, right? Using that for scrolls of invisibility would be a lot cheaper than my potions. 75 GP a pop instead of 200. I think it's worth carrying around some of them...
Ironskin Longrius could scribe (from cleric side) then we could all copy it.
I didn't have a real focus other than Knowledge Arcana, and later Psionics for Twin Mind. But I am negotiable on which modern Knowledge skills to take outside the above two.
Besides nature and arcana the most important one is probably planes, but religion, dungeoneering and local are also important as they each cover different creature types. The rest of the knowledges are not as important.
I will focus on Modern Local and Planes since I get 8+ skill points per level.
I would take Ironskin then. I think the trade off of being able to negate a crit is better then the duration of barkskin. It also goes to a higher natural armor bonus. Longirus and I bring cleric's I wouldn't worry about lesser restoration. We may not always have it prepared but we can take care of people the next day.
@Quassine: Longirus got points in planes, but not dungeoneering and local, maybe you can take those two?
@Goliath: Since Ironskin is a cleric spell, Longirus can scribe it then we can write it into our spellbooks from that (or maybe he can just memorize it then write it down and then the rest of us (me and Quassine) could copy from him). CT, thoughts on that? So might be better to pick something that can't be gotten that way, like Acute Senses.
I've also got Glitterdust for invisible stuff.
@Xanya: re fortune hex, sure that seems fine.
and regarding the scribing, from what I understand alchemists seem to be able to scribe spells from a scroll without regard to the type ( arcane/divine ). Quassine would have to have an arcane scroll in order to copy the spell however.
Could Longirus memorize the spell as a cleric spell, then write it down in his spellbook?
No. I don't think it can work like that. I think for wizards you have to have a scroll or another spellbook and of course the scroll must be arcane. different limitations from alchemists, which from reading some forums seems to be a bit fuzzy and there seem to be differences of opinion on alchemists and scrolls and source of those scrolls, but I am erring on the side of a little more freedom (for the alchs)
I got to thinking about a way to disassemble or deconstruct magic items. Since there is no way to make it happen with the current rules, and I cannot find evidence of any feats, abilities, spells or archetypes ( I only just did a Google search though ).
I might develop some method for doing so. The scythe won't be the first unsavory magic item you encounter, that basically no one will ever buy. Perhaps a way to funnel it into your Signature Items.
So we won't be able to sell it? Kinda sad to get only loot that we can't sell... Also, did it turn into large after about 10 minutes? It could have been huge due to enlarge person.
I was thinking that we would be able to somehow rip the magic out of the item and funnel it into new items (at the normal sell cost), but that's probably too kind without a feat for it or somesuch...
You can try to sell it. Keep in mind its obscurity and how much you will be selling it for (equivalent to a +3). Someone isn't going to shell out for that without being able to use it. There are only so many collectors of obscure magical items out there, and not really any of those sort in Cliffort. Selling something for 9000gp+ that you have to be huge sized and not good reduces the pool of potential buyers in nearly any place that isn't a bastion of evil, or someone trying to equip their huge sized zombie pet or eidolon.
I was oping we could just get to sell it to a shop or something...
One of the 3rd Party Artificer, perhaps 2, can break down magic items and convert them into their creations. And the Arcanist can consume them for Arcane Points if they take the Exploit. I personally find the exploit a waste and probably will not take it.
That would be cool if we could siphon it into our signature items. And even better, take a certain amount and pass it around up to max for that level.
I was oping we could just get to sell it to a shop or something...
hehe not a video game. There aren't shops that just vacuum up magic items and hand you a sack of gold. In some cases yes, certain items will be in demand, but will be purchased because of their usefulness by other powerful NPCs. In some cases in large cities on major trade routes a merchant may deal in this sort of thing, but in backwater Cliffort, there isn't cash for that nor the interest in anything that can't be used by regular people. You might have to get creative.... or hang on to it for now.
I realize you (and other tables) may be falling behind in Wealth by Level at times. Overall this will be evened out in time, but there may be starvation gaps during which you aren't at par.
We are way ahead of WBL due to our signature items, so you don't really have to worry about giving us tons of gear. We might even be better off than the other tables since we already got some items crafted. I had hoped to get a Horsemaster's Saddle soon, but it's not strictly necessary. Sadly we are 2K GP away from making +3 gear, but Kiki, Quassine and Longirus should all be able to take advantage of the wealth from this level.
You talked about allowing Multiweapon stuff way back. Would you allow an improved multiweapon fighting for Kiki that works like improved two weapon fighting?
Ancestral Relic It let you do a ritual and sacrifice items and magical things to fuel your relic. You could do something like that if your looking for things.
Yeah I very loosely based the concept of the signature items on that. I guess its not that original of an idea really. I can take a look at it for inspiration and balance ideas.
Regarding multiweapon stuff. Its tricky. In somewhats multiweapon fighting is supposed to let you just trade substitute multiweapons for two weapon fighting in most situation by way of its vague wording. The problem is its such a taboo subject seemingly that nothing is ever balanced around it, and to across the board allow multiweapon where ever two weapons are mentioned is asking for trouble. Honestly I will need to take in on a case by case basis unless it(the feat,power etc) specifically addresses it. If I make a blanket statement, there will end up being that one infinite loop or ridiculous combo that spirals out of control.
Does Reckless Abandon work with Greater Ferocious Mount? I would assume it does since Reckless Abandon doesn't require an action (just like power attack).
If I'm not going for the Superstition line (though that would mean no spell sunder, which might be really useful), then I probably want to go for Elemental Rage (requires lesser too). It would be basically the same as Energy Attacks (though they would stack and it would affect Xanya too).
Yeah I very loosely based the concept of the signature items on that. I guess its not that original of an idea really. I can take a look at it for inspiration and balance ideas.
Regarding multiweapon stuff. Its tricky. In somewhats multiweapon fighting is supposed to let you just trade substitute multiweapons for two weapon fighting in most situation by way of its vague wording. The problem is its such a taboo subject seemingly that nothing is ever balanced around it, and to across the board allow multiweapon where ever two weapons are mentioned is asking for trouble. Honestly I will need to take in on a case by case basis unless it(the feat,power etc) specifically addresses it. If I make a blanket statement, there will end up being that one infinite loop or ridiculous combo that spirals out of control.
Well for this level, would improved two weapon fighting work?
@re two weapon fighting. Yes I think for that specific line of feats, I will allow multiweapon fighting to synergize up that chain. At least that feat, will deal with each one as needed.
re greater ferocious mount and reckless abandon: I 'think' they stack since reckless abandon doesnt technically require an action to activate. You are just acting with abandon even if you never attack. So seemingly the wording and restrictions on the mount part would be legit.
It seems someone asked a more all inclusive question about rage powers and mounts in general (in 2011??) and no one ever replied.
Works for me.
@Kiki: What teamwork feat sre you picking for your free warlord teamwork feat? I'm planning on eventually doing Paired Opportunist. Sadly I don't have saddle to share it with Cryxial yet. If you are picking that I might go for the same. Paired Opportunists would also work great with sweeping gambit + greater trip + (vicious stomp?) from Goliath. Are you considering picking up the feat Goliath (outflank would also be great now that you have such awesome crit range and Xanya got her stance to grant flanking).
I'm thinking to go towards greater trip, but I'm considering to get a few levels in lore warden of twin mind for that. With Xanya being small it might not be all that much point in her going towards trip at all... At level ~17 when she can become large (huge depending on ruling) there probably won't be all that many trippable opponents.
Nope: I will be taking
Improved Trip: Monk
Greater Weapon Focus: Weapon
Combat Style Master: Weapon
Vicious Stomp: 6th / Vicious Stomp is the only one I'm considering changing at the moment. I would take Combat Expertise now if my Int was 2 higher. Either that or I cheese dip brawler at 8th. There may be other classes that cheat expertise.