Monster Mashup - Table 2 (Inactive)

Game Master CaveToad

Your saves are F: 11, R: 11, W: 12 , but your stat bar has 17-15-18

Rage/Mut: is +4 fort, +2 Will. I didn't even notice Reflex at first and forgot about rage and mutagen. It just looked like you were adding charisma since it was a 6 difference between Fort and Will.

The forums have been spotty for sure.

Protection from evil and rage. Maybe I forgot to include Shield Ally? I'll check over the numbers one more time.

Edit: It looks like I added protection evil twice :(.

Yeah, the forums always seem to go down when I actually have time to post.

Ah I didn't even think of pro evil. This week has been pretty crappy on here.

Guys just an FYI. I leave on the 10th and will be going till the 20th not posting again till the 21st.

SCA event. Gulf Wars in Mississippi.

It's that Twitch thing they are doing. The Streaming is killing their bandwidth unless they have some other network issues that we are not aware of.

Someone make a copy paste error while at work? Streaming twitch are they. I remote in to my home computer so I can't say anything :)

They are doing the streaming(upload) as a promotion of the game, killing their upload. That's kinda different from watching a stream (download).

Have fun at SCA. You won't be able to bring with you anything to check in once in a while (phone or laptop)?

It's medieval recreation society. So no. That stuff stays in the car. My wife has a smart phone I do not. I'm pretty detached tech wise. I'm sure she will keep her phone on her in her bag and probably use it at night in the tent, but no I won't be checking anything for the 10 days. Text post are not bad to do, but a combat post is horrible on a device.

When Goliath is frolicking on the battlefield and getting tickled by rattan swords, is he going to be botted or in garrison at Cliffort? If he is garrison, I don't mind if he still receives xps to keep up with us. Not like he will make up for them when he comes back with posting rate and role playing.

It is 2 weeks away real time, so we will see what is going on at that point.

I'm sorry I disappeared again. This time I promise it wasn't my fault. Any time I had a moment free to post, Paizo wouldn't open for whatever reason or other. I'm going to post now for what it's worth at least.

The posts just stack up so fast in this group and it's overwhelming to miss a day and see 40 and 20 posts that I have to catch up on.

Unfortunately for you Simon, we are the most active Monster Mash table. Yeah, Paizo is having a charity run using Twitch and then all of the downloading after placed a huge strain on their servers and available bandwidth. They are done with the Twitching so any slow down is going to be be people downloading their loot they bid on.

Yeah, it's really hard to get a word in edgewise. I've been having similar problems myself.

The promotion will be going for 11 more days, so it'll still be a while until things normalize.

Are your exams over Simon?

@Goliath: I'm unsure if I should get defend the pride. It would be somewhat redundant with what you are doing. Xanya can't actually use offensive boosts, so it's nice to have something to use my swift actions on. It's also really powerful and having whichever of us go first in iniative be able to use it would be kinda nice, if you roll low on initiative it could mean another round of getting the effect. Of course it could also mean letting you prepare other maneuvers.

Seems to be pretty normalized now.

yeah not quite two weeks leave on a Thursday and get back the sunday after next. So only about 6 or 7 days of posting since we don't post a whole lot on the weekends normally. I'm good with whatever the group needs. CT or one of you can bot me for combat. He is pretty strait forward in how he works. I should have level 5 up today. Busy morning at work. New users starting and permissions were not requested for one of them so was pushing all the paperwork through. Yeah working for the state.

Couple things:
Extraplanar beings disappear when they're downed. We probably don't have to deal with the hell hounds.

That round of tests are over, but it was just the first quarter round. 2 more sets and finals. Not to mention frequent quizzes.

Can we make a helm of opposite Alignment on purpose since it's a cursed object? And if we were to, can we use one more than once? And what would be the moral implications of turning monsters good via doing that? I'm on the fence about whether Simon would be for it or not. It would convert them because we don't have time to rehabilitate everything we find, but it takes away their choice to do so on their own. But it would mean we don't have to kill people any more. I know the intention as a cursed item is to trick players and make them change, but if something like this is put in a game, the developers need to consider how players would use it before just adding it in like that. It's only intended to be an "I'm a jerk DM" item, but if it's going to be in the system, it is usable from both sides of the DM screen.

Aster is fully healed by Big Guy's channel.

CT,

Can the player use both PoW Stances and Combat Feat fighting styles at the same time whether it is an official ruling which I doubt since they are separate rules or yours? Entering a PoW Stance and Entering a Combat Style are both swift actions, PoW is indefinitely activated and the other is can only be activated during combat, and both can be switch for another of its kind as a swift action.

@Simon - If Quassine saw what appeared to be Simon burying the Harpy, then he would say throw it on the pyre. Now if it was a live, then no he wouldn't especially if he just let a Hell hound go.

Can you guys help me figure out how long it would take, and how much it would cost to make an item with permanent detect evil on?

You can have both a style a stance and even a presence at the same time. Seethis feat:

Fuse Styles (Combat, Style)

You are capable of mingling mundane and martial combat styles.

Prerequisite(s): One style feat, one stance known.

Benefit(s): You can enter a fighting style and a martial stance with the same swift action.

@Kiki: I would strongly recommend picking Warning Presence from pow:e instead of the normal one:

Warlord - New Presences - When a warlord gets a new tactical presence, he may select one of these at the indicated level or he may select one with a combat feat, Extra Presence (see below).

Warning Presence - The instructions given by the wary warlord help his allies defend themselves against sudden surprises. Allies within the warlord’s presence gain a bonus to Reflex saves and AC against traps or attacks made in the surprise round equal to the warlord’s Charisma modifier, and the warlord may designate one of his allies to be able to act in the surprise round. This presence may be selected at 2nd level or later.

What maneuver are you picking this level?

@Simon: The formula for a continuous spell effect is spell level × caster level × 2,000 gp, for a total of 2,000 gp (spell level 1, caster level 1).

Note that Xanya got detect evil at will...

Also making a permanent detect evil item with casterlevel 1 is extremly dangerous due to:

If you are of good alignment, and the strongest evil aura's power is overwhelming (see below), and the HD or level of the aura's source is at least twice your character level, you are stunned for 1 round and the spell ends.

Which means you'll basically become stunlocked whenever you come within 60 feet of overwhelming evil (11 HD or higher cleric, paladin or outsider).

Ah. That pitfall is removed if I make it See Alignment instead.

Sure, but see alignment is much more narrow. Why isn't at will detect evil enough?

It takes actions, and when was the last time we used it before running in and stabbing the scary people?

Thanks Xanya for the Fuse Styles feat notice.

Couple things:

Extraplanar beings disappear when they're downed. We probably don't have to deal with the hell hounds.

Not all outsiders are extraplanar. Such rules only apply to summoned things etc.

Hey CT question for you.

I was thinking about taking Scarlet Throne Style:

My question is how does this work with the flurry rule of

I think it is a specific trumps general. The general rule being the flurry rule and this feat trumps it allowing for damage as if weapon were in two hands, but needed you to clarify.

I also need to know what you decided on my retraining. I wanted to retrain weapon focus to the weapon bonus feat and Skill focus to one of the general feats. Normally you need a teacher but I already know both feats. I'm just moving around where they come from to qualify for greater weapon focus next level from the weapon. This normally take 5 days as well. I guess the question is can I do it on my own since I have both already and can the time be changed since I'm not learning anything new. I'm still fine paying the normal fee. We can call it money spent to prepare for a meditation trance or something. I'm pretty much leveled besides for the feat selection. So just let me know. Thanks.

Thanks Xanya for the Fuse Styles feat notice.

Do note that fuse styles is generally going to be much worse than combat style master though. You can enter a stance outside of combat anyway and with combat style master you won't need an action to enter a style either.

@Simon: You can cast glitterdust on the thing following you to see what it is.

How are everyone coming along with their level ups.

@Kiki: Did Hone weapon disappear from your sheet in the reformating? You should note where all your feats come from so it's easier to check that they all are there :).

Just waiting on an answer from CT, Then will copy and paste 5th level Goliath.

He is waiting for us to be finished with the harpy so we can move on to our rest spot.

I'm really unsure what maneuvers I'll pick. Pride Movement is obviously good and a lock. Warning Roar honestly doesn't seem all that great given how insane high our ACs go. Maybe Oaken Shield is better given that? Defend the Pride would be somewhat redundant with Goliath also having it. For offensive options there aren't any that are truly amazing either. Vicious Swipe, Hunting Party (together with Paired Opportunist) and Goring Strike are ok I guess.

Yes, don't post your level 5 character until you have completed the requisite rest and reflection time. Who know what could happen? ;)

We can take a feat at the level we qualify for it, right? So if I need 5 ranks in spellcraft, this is the level I can put five in, so I can take the feat that requires 5?

That's correct.

Cool. This level seems to be especially easy. No changes in bab or saves.

I've found a really cool thematic feat too.

What feat?

This level is the level you get +2 inspire courage right?

Which spells are you picking? That might be one of the most important things as a triple caster.

I'm looking at spells now.

The feat is called Tattoo Atunement. Feels like that set was added just for me.

Yes, I now have I. Courage +2.

I get Barkskin as a bloodline spell this level.

I'm taking Retrieve item on bard, Vanish and Mud Buddy on sorcerer, and Final Sacrifice on Summoner.

They must've added more spells some time, I don't recognize a lot of the ones I picked.

This is a good level for Aster. He gets lots of new stuff.

Samba can now share spells and deliver touch spells to anyone on his Team. This can include two people other than Simon. Who would benefit most from this ability?

@Xanya: I never made the changes for hone weapon, back then I forgot, but now I think damage output is not a problem for us, but acting first has lots of benefits for Kiki, including damage or stuff like entangle.

@Kiki: I think we could always use more damage. It took us two rounds to take down the giant and CT is bound to give us way tougher enemies soon. Still, Improved Initiative is great too. Why not take both? We can just assume you use it at the start of every day, kinda like prepearing spells. If you aren't taking it, then probably someone else should...

Myself I'm thinking to take Mounted Blade and Indomitable Mount this level. Though if anyone got any compelling arguments for other feats I'm more than willing to listen.

@CT: How does it work to spent FPP? Does it just happen instantly? Are there coming more rules for FPP, the choices now are rather limited? If there aren't going to come further customization in that area I think I'll just spend the points on +2 EP for Cryxial.

Why/how you getting 2 feats?

Warlord one gives a free one.

Keen is only worth it if you are never getting improved critical. It'll cost a lot of gold to not get improved critical and that cost will increase exponentially with level. Improved Critical would also allow you to get mythic improved critical, though that is probably only with it if you are not getting butterfly sting. Still, I think improved critical is better than keen for you, though I could be wrong. Menacing is interesting. It should give you bonus with all your weapons even if you only have it on one. It won't boost damage but not all your attacks have been landing so it's probably worth it.

It would be kinda nice for you to get a permanent flanking budy that could travel with you no matter where you go, a familiar or something, though in order for it to ride on you, you would need a diminutive one. Not sure how you get that though.

@Kiki: If you prepeare 2xNature's Path and Communal longstrider we could travel as if on roads with a base speed of 50 for 16 hours (assuming marching chant).

Uh, communal longstrider is not a spell, not sure why I thought it was...

ah didn't realize you were multi classing. Makes sense. Just making sure I wasn't doing feats wrong and that we get 2 on the levels when we normally get one :)

Xanya: You can't do Furious this level. I was going to do Fortuitous.

Base: Weapon is 2000 gp. Staying with the same bonus or improving the numeric bonus is normal cost so going to +2 is 6000 more making it 8000gp. What I'm doing. Adding a different bonus cost 50% more in the rules CT put up so adding Furious or Keen or what ever is 6000gp + 50% or 3000gp for 9000gp+2000=11000gp. 5th level wealth by level is 10,500gp so 500 short.

Edit: Yeah marching chant is the plan pretty much for now on while out here. It seems doing everything a bit faster is good when the attack is imminent.

No, I can do furious. It is an enchatment bonus. We had this discussion several pages back as well... The exact same rule exists for normal magic items. Combining a headband +2 (4000) with another makes the second one cost +50% (6000) for 10000 total. I'm not sure what items makes sense to combine with weapons, but if we were allowed to combine it with a cloak of resistance +1 that would cost 1500 rather than 1000.

What were the rules for duplicating the effects of specific magic weapons?

Those are normal item creation rules. CT explained adding anything that was not a numeric bonus would be 50% more. We will need him to chime in here and make sure. I'm all for it I hope I have it wrong. I want to add Fortuitous to my sword. Sweeping Attack will be sweet with the the sweep damage then a free hit followed by another. Then vicious stomp and Greater improved trip. Soon It will be trip and 3 sword hits and a stomp :).

If it is possible I think I would make Needle a bloodletting kukri wakazashi

I don't really follow these rules well. Follow as in understand that is.

So to buy a lyre of building at market price is 13,000. We would have 10k some odd at this level. Next level is 16k. When can I afford this?