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2 big complaints I have so far are the following:
The Medium is described as not growing attachments to particular apparitions but then is given a feat that forces you to always attune to a particular spirit. Not mechanically flawed but may confuse players.
The Echo in Lost Moment's vessel spell gives you an extra reaction specifically for Animist or apparition reactions but hardly any exist and the majority that do are limited to once per 10 minutes. As far as I can tell, it's a vessel spell that will be largely ignored by most Animist players unless an errata/change is made.
Yes, thank you! Both of these have been bothering me all day. Seems the description of the Medium was written before they added the clause to their core feat requiring you to always have to attune to one of the same apparitions. It's just weird!
The Echo of Lost Memory is largely dead in the water for that reason. When I read it at first, I went back to see if I missed a reaction built into their chassis and nope. Then looked for feats and saw the same thing as you, and many are high/mid level and situational or limited. So, in the end you give up one action for a very limited reaction that may or may not be relevant.
Another complaint is that it seems you only get 1 focus spell at level 1 now. So it takes a while (or archetyping) to be able to cast two vessel spells in a single battle. I was looking forward to vessel chaining with the Liturgist, but the flexibility has diminished at low levels.
I think there were a number of over-reactions on this class and the result is quite a few small nerfs that are pushing this class down in my opinion. Which is a shame because I was super hyped to play one (though I may have to sleep on all of this and see how I feel in the morning).
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Seems the description of the Medium was written before they added the clause to their core feat requiring you to always have to attune to one of the same apparitions. It's just weird!
Yup, it's pretty much a copy/paste of the Sage's description.
The Echo of Lost Memory is largely dead in the water for that reason. When I read it at first, I went back to see if I missed a reaction built into their chassis and nope. Then looked for feats and saw the same thing as you, and many are high/mid level and situational or limited. So, in the end you give up one action for a very limited reaction that may or may not be relevant.
The only thing I can think of it a level 9+ Medium who has Echo and Witness of Ancient Battles as primaries to set up for a potential of 3 strikes with no MAP but that requires way too much set up IMO.
Another complaint is that it seems you only get 1 focus spell at level 1 now. So it takes a while (or archetyping) to be able to cast two vessel spells in a single battle. I was looking forward to vessel chaining with the Liturgist, but the flexibility has diminished at low levels.
Circle of Spirits seems to help out with this with its "special" paragraph at the end, granting focus points equal to the amount of attuned apparitions.
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Another complaint is that it seems you only get 1 focus spell at level 1 now. So it takes a while (or archetyping) to be able to cast two vessel spells in a single battle. I was looking forward to vessel chaining with the Liturgist, but the flexibility has diminished at low levels.Circle of Spirits seems to help out with this with its "special" paragraph at the end, granting focus points equal to the amount of attuned apparitions.
You're right, I missed the clause on Circle of Spirits. There is very similar wording for Medium, but not until their 9th level Invocation.
Ok, that's one less issue at least. I think I'm partly just bitter about the Darkened Forest Form losing the +1 to attack. It just makes it a worse druid IMO as it needs sustained and the switching forms in the middle of combat rarely is fruitful (you pick a form that is usually best for the battle).
I play tested with Vanguard of Roaring Waters and really, really wanted it to be good, but it was very difficult to get your focus spell working effectively. Did anything change with it from the playtest? Or maybe easier: Does it look like a decent apparition to you? Or is it going to remain incredibly niche for water based adventures only?They increased the movement bonus to +10 ft and you get to stride as part of the action to cast or sustain, so I'd say it's MUCH more usable now.
Thank you and Invictus! It does sound significantly improved. It was so hard to ever use in the play test but it sounds like it will be much easier to use now, assuming you want to move around (which should be the major point of having it).
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I tried asking in the WoI AMA, but might’ve gotten buried…
Any new companions/familiar abilities/specific familiars in WoI?
Was wondering if there’s something new that the Shaman Animist would be interested in (kind of like how RoE introduced new specific familiars and familiar ability alongside Kineticist’s Elemental Familiar, maybe something similar with Animists and Spirit Familiar). Like making your familiar a Celestial/Fiend or something?
No new familiar abilities from what I can tell but there's a 12th level feat that requires the spirit familiar that gives you a reaction to give you concealment, makes your familiar untargetable and creates difficult terrain.