Isn't there a rule where if you succeed on Recall Knowledge doesn't the DC go up by like +2? I can not find the rule.
Yes, the difficulty increase for further checks on the same topic. Page 54 in GM Core or page 506 in CRB.
Additional Knowledge Sometimes a character might want to follow up on a check to Recall Knowledge, rolling another check to discover more information. After a success, further uses of Recall Knowledge can yield more information, but you should adjust the difficulty to be higher for each attempt. Once a character has attempted an incredibly hard check or failed a check, further attempts are fruitless—the character has recalled everything they know about the subject.
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I gotta say, I don't love that rule and ignore it for my own games.
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The problem of this rule is with feats that depends from RK checks to work.
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I gotta say, I don't love that rule and ignore it for my own games.
If Recall Knowledge had a slogan...
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I completely disregard the "cannot try again if failed" rule on RK.
It cripples abilities that depend on it, as YuriP stated, it encourages the odd practice of targeting the other ghoul for your next RK after failing on the first one AND it makes it extremely easy to know you got wrong info from a crit fail.
I gotta say, I don't love that rule and ignore it for my own games.If Recall Knowledge had a slogan...
I'd buy that on a t-shirt... :P
The problem of this rule is with feats that depends from RK checks to work.
I completely disregard the "cannot try again if failed" rule on RK.
It cripples abilities that depend on it, as YuriP stated, it encourages the odd practice of targeting the other ghoul for your next RK after failing on the first one AND it makes it extremely easy to know you got wrong info from a crit fail.
Note that the rules don't actually say you can't make more Recall Knowledge checks, just that you don't learn any new information for doing so. It works totally fine with most abilities that require repeated Recall Knowledge checks.
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Note that the rules don't actually say you can't make more Recall Knowledge checks, just that you don't learn any new information for doing so. It works totally fine with most abilities that require repeated Recall Knowledge checks.
Heh. Good luck arguing that.
I'm still trying to convince people that taking the action and succeeding at the skill check roll qualifies for gaining Panache - which is literally what the rule says. But people still don't always believe that. They instead want to say that if the action gives no benefits because of immunities and the like, then the action actually failed... even with a successful roll.
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Note that the rules don't actually say you can't make more Recall Knowledge checks, just that you don't learn any new information for doing so. It works totally fine with most abilities that require repeated Recall Knowledge checks.The problem of this rule is with feats that depends from RK checks to work.
I completely disregard the "cannot try again if failed" rule on RK.
It cripples abilities that depend on it, as YuriP stated, it encourages the odd practice of targeting the other ghoul for your next RK after failing on the first one AND it makes it extremely easy to know you got wrong info from a crit fail.
Missed that. Thank you.
Note that the rules don't actually say you can't make more Recall Knowledge checks, just that you don't learn any new information for doing so. It works totally fine with most abilities that require repeated Recall Knowledge checks.The problem of this rule is with feats that depends from RK checks to work.
I completely disregard the "cannot try again if failed" rule on RK.
It cripples abilities that depend on it, as YuriP stated, it encourages the odd practice of targeting the other ghoul for your next RK after failing on the first one AND it makes it extremely easy to know you got wrong info from a crit fail.
I never noticed this. This can be a good way to deal with it.
Yet something like mastermind states "If you successfully identify a creature using Recall Knowledge" so if you fail you are unable to identify the creature anymore.
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Thaumaturges Tome also requires a success:
"While holding your tome, at the start of your turn each round, attempt a check to Recall Knowledge about a creature of your choice that you're observing. If this check succeeds , you gain a +1 circumstance bonus to your next attack roll against that creature before the start of your next turn."
You can get a success and not learn anything new. The "successfully identify" verbiage of Mastermind is a little trickier. For that I see two possible interpretations:
1) You can only identify things once. Once they are known, that's it. In effect, abilities that are dependent upon successful identification can only wbe used once. This strikes me as the more potentially problematic of the two.
2) Once you identify something, it becomes known to you, so (barring a disguise or similar change) all future attempts to identify it are automatically successes. You probably don't learn anything new, per Recall Knowledge, but you identify it as the thing previously identified and therefore abilities dependent upon successful identification to trigger work just fine.
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There are rather a lot of points of table variation in abilities like the Mastermind racket that you need to make sure you're on the same page with your GM about before playing a character that relies heavily on them, like how you'll handle different creatures of the same type.
There are rather a lot of points of table variation in abilities like the Mastermind racket that you need to make sure you're on the same page with your GM about before playing a character that relies heavily on them, like how you'll handle different creatures of the same type.
Most indubitably, dude. :)
For a long time, that was exceptionally rough for PFS, where you have many different GMs. I was really glad to see the campaign rulings added, this last November.
For a long time, that was exceptionally rough for PFS, where you have many different GMs. I was really glad to see the campaign rulings added, this last November.
What was that ruling?
I totally forgot that they already FAQ'd this. *facepalm*
Thanks for sharing it.
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So, that faq is all about “For the purpose of abilities that require successfully identifying a creature using Recall Knowledge”. Would you say then that “for the purposes of learning new information” you would use the increasing DC and stop after a failure or the incr hard DC? I think that’s my conclusion, but willing to hear otherwise. So a RK check might fail to learn new info about Wolf #2 because it didn’t beat the higher DC, but still beat the standard DC and so trigger abilities like mastermind?
