# Failing a Tumbling Strike with Mobility

### Rules Discussion

Let's take a Rogue with the Acrobat archetype. As the rogue gains levels he/she/they wind up with both the Tumbling Strike and Mobility feats.

If this Rogue fails a Tumbling Strike, does Mobility prevent an attack of opportunity?

The Tumbling Strike feat has the MOVE trait and the failure states "You remain in your original space but can still Strike". The Tumble Through feat states on a failure that "Your movement ends, and you trigger reactions as if you had moved out of the square you started in." and the Mobility feat states "You move in a way that denies your enemies the opportunity to retaliate. When you take a Stride action to move half your Speed or less, that movement does not trigger reactions."

Or a different way of asking is does Mobility only apply to the Stride action or does it apply to other move actions?

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don't wake baby wrote:

Let's take a Rogue with the Acrobat archetype. As the rogue gains levels he/she/they wind up with both the Tumbling Strike and Mobility feats.

If this Rogue fails a Tumbling Strike, does Mobility prevent an attack of opportunity?

The Tumbling Strike feat has the MOVE trait and the failure states "You remain in your original space but can still Strike". The Tumble Through feat states on a failure that "Your movement ends, and you trigger reactions as if you had moved out of the square you started in." and the Mobility feat states "You move in a way that denies your enemies the opportunity to retaliate. When you take a Stride action to move half your Speed or less, that movement does not trigger reactions."

Or a different way of asking is does Mobility only apply to the Stride action or does it apply to other move actions?

As stated in the text, Mobility only comes into play 'When you take a Stride action to move half your Speed or less'. The opening line is just general flavor text, so non-stride movements can still trigger an Attack of Opportunity.

I agree that it applies to the Stride action specifically - not any actions with the Move trait.

However, it does still apply to subordinate Stride actions such as the Stride action in Tumbling Strike. Though that would be a bit redundant since the movement of Tumbling Strike doesn't provoke reactions at all. Sudden Charge would be a better example. If you use Sudden Charge and don't move more than half your speed for both of the two Stride actions, then Mobility would apply.

What Mobility doesn't allow is something like Stand without provoking reactions.

Finoan wrote:

I agree that it applies to the Stride action specifically - not any actions with the Move trait.

However, it does still apply to subordinate Stride actions such as the Stride action in Tumbling Strike. Though that would be a bit redundant since the movement of Tumbling Strike doesn't provoke reactions at all. Sudden Charge would be a better example. If you use Sudden Charge and don't move more than half your speed for both of the two Stride actions, then Mobility would apply.

What Mobility doesn't allow is something like Stand without provoking reactions.

Where did you see that Tumbling Strike has a Stride subordinate action?

You even posted the feat itself, nothing in it mentions a Stride.

shroudb wrote:
Finoan wrote:

I agree that it applies to the Stride action specifically - not any actions with the Move trait.

However, it does still apply to subordinate Stride actions such as the Stride action in Tumbling Strike. Though that would be a bit redundant since the movement of Tumbling Strike doesn't provoke reactions at all. Sudden Charge would be a better example. If you use Sudden Charge and don't move more than half your speed for both of the two Stride actions, then Mobility would apply.

What Mobility doesn't allow is something like Stand without provoking reactions.

Where did you see that Tumbling Strike has a Stride subordinate action?

You even posted the feat itself, nothing in it mentions a Stride.

No Stride but it does have a subordinate Strike. Perhaps there was a little confusion between those.

shroudb wrote:

Where did you see that Tumbling Strike has a Stride subordinate action?

You even posted the feat itself, nothing in it mentions a Stride.

Fair. The action simply acts as though it has a subordinate Stride action.

Now, aside from proving a minor point on the internet, do you have something to add to the conversation? Perhaps something regarding Sudden Charge - which does have Subordinate Stride actions.

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Finoan wrote:
shroudb wrote:

Where did you see that Tumbling Strike has a Stride subordinate action?

You even posted the feat itself, nothing in it mentions a Stride.

Fair. The action simply acts as though it has a subordinate Stride action.

Now, aside from proving a minor point on the internet, do you have something to add to the conversation? Perhaps something regarding Sudden Charge - which does have Subordinate Stride actions.

This 'minor point' is kinda the entire point of this forum thread: Tumbling Strike doesn't 'act' like you stride, it lets you 'tumble' through your foe's space, which is very different. Mobility does not come into play here because you are not making a Stride.

Yes, Sudden Charge + Mobility would work as long as the relevant threatened stride action or actions is sufficiently short (A speed 30 character using Sudden Charge could stride 30' through unthreatened squares and then move only 15' on the second stride to avoid AoOs on the final approach). This isn't the question that was asked, however...

Though, as noted, Tumbling Strike explicitly doesn't provoke reactions anyway. Mobility isn't relevant, but also isn't necessary.

Though it would matter for a Tumble Through.

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Huh. I never noticed that Tumbling Strike has the Move trait.
Crit Success and regular Success say they don't provoke AoO, but Failure and below don't.

Since AoO triggers on the usage of a move action, makes me think Tumbling Strike does provoke on failure.

Ah, you're right. Most of the text is part of the critical success result, and I overlooked that.