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Look, Wizards aren't great now. That's all there is to it.
Piror to the remaster they were mechanically underwhelming but mostly functional. They have a series of unique feels-bad aspects to them, of which we know one is being addressed in the remaster, there may be more but we don't know.
We do know that the Wizards premier mechanical selling point, their 4th spell slot, is taking a large hit in inherent versatility.
We do not know the state of other Wizard class features, such as thesis options, updated feats or what is happening with Arcane Bond. We do have a feat list, and of that list, unless changes are happening to the feats themselves, the state and level spread of that feat list does not look to be changing anything in a substantive way.
As of right now, the only positive changes to the class presented are:
- Some mild money saving
- Simple weapon prof
- Enhanced flavour with schools, with the potential to be better in the future, but as of yet this potential has not been seen.
We also know that, in spite of consistent, and more recently voluminous, chatter about the state of the Wizard, Paizo have chosen not to show anything else which would help turn the around the conversation or generate more hype going into the release of a new product.
I like Wizards in general, I love Wizards conceptually, its why I care. I like Paizo in general, I love Paizo's brand and worlds, its why I care.
I am not currenty enjoying the intersection of the 2 in this edition.
The Wizard never needed a lot to be actually good in a mechanical sense, but instead of getting that little touch-up, they seem to be regressing.
We do not know the state of other Wizard class features, such as thesis options, updated feats or what is happening with Arcane Bond. We do have a feat list, and of that list, unless changes are happening to the feats themselves, the state and level spread of that feat list does not look to be changing anything in a substantive way.
At least for thesis, Paizo has stated that they will remain largely unchanged. I would expect some more clarity in some details, but it doesn't look like the pre-master thesis options will be expanded or mechanically improved.
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We do not know the state of other Wizard class features, such as thesis options, updated feats or what is happening with Arcane Bond. We do have a feat list, and of that list, unless changes are happening to the feats themselves, the state and level spread of that feat list does not look to be changing anything in a substantive way.At least for thesis, Paizo has stated that they will remain largely unchanged. I would expect some more clarity in some details, but it doesn't look like the pre-master thesis options will be expanded or mechanically improved.
Even small changes could mean a lot. For example, if they made Spell Sub once spell per rank you could cast per 10 minutes, it wouldn't be a big change to the ability, but its utility would skyrocket.
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I am wildly unconcerned about wizard remaster due to the sneak peek.
I am wildly unconcerned about wizard remaster due to the sneak peek.
There is no reason to be concerned, true, since the Death Knell has already been cast, the spell slot has been expended, and there will be no dying checks made for a corpse of a class.
That concern is now disappointment, maybe mixed with frustration, since I (and several others) are of the opinion that more could have been done (since more was done for other classes).
Though I am pretty sure that changing work ethics is not a relevant solution to a class' mechanical issues.
Do we know if pre-remaster schools will remain usable in organized play? After all, a nerf can only be so much of a bad news if it's completely optional.
Ok we had four of the spell list revealed. For those who do not like this change what are your thoughts one those schools.
With the changes I think to what Mark Shifter said when this change was announced. That them being specialist in 8 spell school made it that you had to make sure they were good at each one and had a similar range of options. That had to be maintained whenever they added new spell. Yes with the new schools have a limited list but I think it good for the health of the wizard. Each school has a strong theme and we will get more which we wouldn't have gotten before. I think of it as a one step back to go two steps forward.
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Ok we had four of the spell list revealed. For those who do not like this change what are your thoughts one those schools.
With the changes I think to what Mark Shifter said when this change was announced. That them being specialist in 8 spell school made it that you had to make sure they were good at each one and had a similar range of options. That had to be maintained whenever they added new spell. Yes with the new schools have a limited list but I think it good for the health of the wizard. Each school has a strong theme and we will get more which we wouldn't have gotten before. I think of it as a one step back to go two steps forward.
TBH that each and every spell had to belong to one of the 8 schools but only one class had much to do with them, and then actually one subclass for each school, felt antiquated and a lot of effort for not much return.
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The spell schools are less of a concern for me as I don't play society and homebrewing around any reduced versatility would be easy. I understand that is not the case for everyone and it hopefully has some mechanical way to keep it versatile for those who can't what we do at my tables.
I DO like the Wizard despite it's pain points. We need to get a look at focus spells, but the revealed feat(s) they are at least FUN to me which is a very much what I am looking for in the Remaster.
Early levels are the biggest concern I think for good FUN stuff. Though I might poll the one Wizard player I currently have at one of my tables to see what they think since we are level 4 nearly 5 to see how they have felt since it has been a while since I have not been GM.
The 4 Wizards I have played have all went with an archetype to keep things interesting so several fun paths that are pure wizard would be what I would be the most excited to see.
Spell blending will probably be better than ever if you want to blend away low level slots with bad curriculum options
Hopefully the remaster will clarify that spell blending can't effect school slots, which is really the only reasonable way to treat them. They're not fungible for learning any spell, why should they be fungible for other purposes?
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Had to clean up a lot in the thread. You are free to talk about the wizard as you see it. You are NOT allowed to call out other users by name as toxic. That is harassment. Off topic conversations about unions and workers was also removed.
Do we know if pre-remaster schools will remain usable in organized play? After all, a nerf can only be so much of a bad news if it's completely optional.
I am pretty sure PFS will acknowledge what can and cannot be used for their play, or if any old material is invalidated as a result of the change to ORC licensing.
My opinion, though? Probably not, since I imagine Paizo is not very interested in promoting anything that is OGL anymore by nature of its capriciousness and untrustworthiness.
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… even when they’re saying horrible stuff?
I don't see how "they are being a jerk/bigot/whatever" is an excuse to reply in kind towards them, especially since that is basically baiting/harassment in and of itself, which means we are basically no better than the initiators of the negative dialogue.
Just as well, the community guidelines are clear on what to do with such problem posters: flag, ignore, and move on. Engaging with them on their level is neither helpful to bringing back a relevant discussion, nor recommended by the moderators of this site as a means of resolving an apparent issue.