no specific rules, so GM Fiat...
I can see things like, can't be tripped except by reach weapons. I think they could still be flanked. perhaps small creatures can't reach them, etc.
There shouldn't be any flanking issues as long as the PC's are able to be within melee range from the floor while this thing is hanging from the ceiling.
Sounds like a cool fight tho :) What monster are you using and how big is this room?
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There shouldn't be any flanking issues as long as the PC's are able to be within melee range from the floor while this thing is hanging from the ceiling.
Sounds like a cool fight tho :) What monster are you using and how big is this room?
To flank the creature the players would also have to be on the ceiling (assuming a 10 ft tall room).
Also the creature might get the high ground bonus to attack (+1)
To flank the creature the players would also have to be on the ceiling (assuming a 10 ft tall room).
If the monster was 5ft tall on a 15ft ceiling, I would agree that the PC's would also need to be on the ceiling in order to flank. But if the monster is 5ft tall on a 10ft ceiling, I'd say you could flank from the ground.
That would create a pattern as below.
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If you think that works where Y is height but not where Y is a normal N/S grid square, you might want to revisit flanking rules.
Personally I would run the exact same as I would if the creature was simply flying 5ft off the ground instead of upside down: +1 from high ground advantage as we can assume any creature doing this is used to fighting as such like a roper or choker, and immunity from flanking by anything on the ground.
If the monster was 5ft tall on a 15ft ceiling, I would agree that the PC's would also need to be on the ceiling in order to flank. But if the monster is 5ft tall on a 10ft ceiling, I'd say you could flank from the ground.
To flank the creature the players would also have to be on the ceiling (assuming a 10 ft tall room).
Right, basically they have to be in melee range. so a super tall ceiling would not allow melee range, and thus not allow flanking. but if the ceiling were low enough to allow melee, then flanking should also be allowed.
Right, basically they have to be in melee range. so a super tall ceiling would not allow melee range, and thus not allow flanking. but if the ceiling were low enough to allow melee, then flanking should also be allowed.If the monster was 5ft tall on a 15ft ceiling, I would agree that the PC's would also need to be on the ceiling in order to flank. But if the monster is 5ft tall on a 10ft ceiling, I'd say you could flank from the ground.
To flank the creature the players would also have to be on the ceiling (assuming a 10 ft tall room).
Exactly. Depending on how big the creature is and how tall the ceiling is, I might also consider the hanging creature to have partial cover from melee strikes because their legs are essentially inaccessible unless the PC has a reach weapon. I figure if you're a 5-6ft tall PC who is attacking 10ft tall creature hanging from the ceiling in a 15ft tall room, then only the head, torso, and arms could be hit realistically. Ranged attacks would be unaffected by this "psuedo"-cover though.
Do you give a large creature cover when a medium/small character without reach can only attack the front of the large creature but not the back? (Let's not reopen the adjacent creature with a reach weapon next to a large creature debate.)
It would make no sense to penalize someone who can reach the more vital to functioning head, chest, and arms instead of their legs, or even really vice a versa.
Do you give a large creature cover when a medium/small character without reach can only attack the front of the large creature but not the back? (Let's not reopen the adjacent creature with a reach weapon next to a large creature debate.)
It would make no sense to penalize someone who can reach the more vital to functioning head, chest, and arms instead of their legs, or even really vice a versa.
Yeah that's true. Nvm.