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Who actually wants immortality? Gross. You get the pleasure of watching everyone and everything you ever loved die. You get to live with the sadness, heartbreak, and guilt of your past for eternity.
"May you live forever" is an insult I save for those I truly hate.
Atherosclerosis
True but this isn't a real life simulator its a game
I mean yes, but this thread is about getting abilities in real life, so those real life complications come in.
Disagree--it's a buildup of garbage on the lining of the blood vessels. That's something that I would say magic at the level of heal or regenerate should deal with.
Yes and no.
I should have clarified what I meant. Atherosclerosis is something that builds up, but it's not something that involves penalties building up. That's what I meant by that part.
In terms of healing covering it - part of the problem is that this is how your body heals naturally. It's the nature of the healing that causes the problem. Accelerating the healing with something like Regeneration is unlikely to make old plaques better, though for the duration of the spell it likely would stop the formation of new build-ups. Heal might handle it - it's a bit of a catch-all, so it's hard to say.
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Who actually wants immortality? Gross. You get the pleasure of watching everyone and everything you ever loved die. You get to live with the sadness, heartbreak, and guilt of your past for eternity.
"May you live forever" is an insult I save for those I truly hate.
I have pretty much zero involvement with people now immortality would give me time to earn enough money to fund lifetimes of travel and exploration and learning then as we get there seeing the stars. In 30 years I pay off my apartment, in 60 I have a nest egg, in 120 I'm a millionaire simply with hard work no need to be a genius and can just invest and explore the world.
AtherosclerosisTrue but this isn't a real life simulator its a gameI mean yes, but this thread is about getting abilities in real life, so those real life complications come in.
Disagree--it's a buildup of garbage on the lining of the blood vessels. That's something that I would say magic at the level of heal or regenerate should deal with.Yes and no.
I should have clarified what I meant. Atherosclerosis is something that builds up, but it's not something that involves penalties building up. That's what I meant by that part.
In terms of healing covering it - part of the problem is that this is how your body heals naturally. It's the nature of the healing that causes the problem. Accelerating the healing with something like Regeneration is unlikely to make old plaques better, though for the duration of the spell it likely would stop the formation of new build-ups. Heal might handle it - it's a bit of a catch-all, so it's hard to say.
Yes but my point is the game is a representation of concepts not a real life simulator and as such you have to assume if the ability in game does X then in real life it will do X even if to do X in real life will require a vastly more complex system or outright breaking the "natural laws". If you say "Immortality" doesn't actually make you immortal because X, Y, Z in real life then you wipe out most things in the game.
Any magical spell gone because magic isn't real same with any spell like or supernatural ability.
Feats/skills/abilities that let you jump distances not physicaly possible again gone.
Having strength scores in the high range if your a slender/petite person nope you don't have the muscle mass for it, similarly any strength score at or around 27 where your able to carry a ton of weight.
There's plenty of other mechanics and rules that simply don't work in real life. I treat the OP's question as "You get this" meaning that you do get it. If you get magic then that magic works at least for you and possible alters all reality so it could work for others like your children if you picked a bloodline. Because to do otherwise would ruin the fun because its not "You get this" but rather "What would you take within the limitations of real world physical laws"? If your doing that then there's no point looking at a fantasy system at all because you could do it in real life anyway.
I mean look at the alternate capstones alone . . .
Deep Magics: Nope no magic in real life can't take it.
Ki Sage: Probably no as I don't think Ki is actually real in any manner.
Old Dog New Tricks: Iffy depending on what combat feats you take.
Soul Channel: Nope no channeling in real life.
Walking Library: Nope no magic so no spells to gain.
With this sword: I'd say no definately not a magic arcane bond and probably not a weapon bond.
Grand discovery: Iffy depending on the nature of alchemy.
Grand Hex: Nope no magic so no hexes.
You wipe out most of the alternate capstones you can take if you insist it has to work in real life. Not to mention VMC options and on that subject everyone is arguing against my taking immortality (which seems a strangely opposed ability in general) but no one has mentioned my taking wizard VMC that gives me prestidigitation at will. A magical ability that is even more opposed to the our knowledge of science than staying young permanently. What if I took walking library instead of wont stay dead and got a hundred levels of spells. Could I cast them? Can I memorize and cast 1st level spells? 2nd? 4th? If you do this kind of thread you have to suspend disbelief on peoples choices.
Yes but my point is the game is a representation of concepts not a real life simulator and as such you have to assume if the ability in game does X then in real life it will do X even if to do X in real life will require a vastly more complex system or outright breaking the "natural laws". If you say "Immortality" doesn't actually make you immortal because X, Y, Z in real life then you wipe out most things in the game.
Oh yeah absolutely. But I guess it depends how you interpret what they're actually giving you.
For example Atherosclerosis definitely wouldn't give you age penalties or anything like that, but if you defined this as one of the causes for death at venerable age then certain capstones or abilities that stop you frok dying of old age would work on it.
Immortality by itself will not make you wealthy. Simply working hard and saving what you can is not a way to grow wealthy. Unless you are making substantially more then you spend on your lifestyle you can never save enough to become wealthy. Inflation will reduce the value of any money you are saving faster than it accumulates. The real purpose of saving money is so that an unexpected event does not cause you to lose even more. Unless your investments are protected from inflation the relative value of your investment will actually go down. In 1901 Andrew Carnegie sold his company for 480 million dollars in 1901, Today that would be work 13.3 billion dollars. So, in the 121 years the value of the company grew by 2770.83%. 2.1% is considered a high interest rate for long term bond. After 121 years that will give you a growth of 1288.74%. Just to keep the relative value of the investment you are going to need at least a 3% return.
If you have substantial capital that opens up higher return's investments like real-estate commodities and stock. Most wealthy people have the majority of their money in long term investments that have a high entry point. The real wealth of the executive of the company comes more from their stock option than their salaries. Bill Gates did not become one of the richest men in the world because Microsoft paid him a high salary, his real wealth was from the value of the Microsoft stock. Since then, he diversified out and now has investments in a lot of things.
Immortality is not going to make you wealthy. If it did then senior citizens would all be fairly well off and not have any monetary worries. Most senior citizens are on a limited income and have to watch their money pretty carefully.
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Immortality by itself will not make you wealthy. Simply working hard and saving what you can is not a way to grow wealthy. Unless you are making substantially more then you spend on your lifestyle you can never save enough to become wealthy. Inflation will reduce the value of any money you are saving faster than it accumulates. The real purpose of saving money is so that an unexpected event does not cause you to lose even more. Unless your investments are protected from inflation the relative value of your investment will actually go down. In 1901 Andrew Carnegie sold his company for 480 million dollars in 1901, Today that would be work 13.3 billion dollars. So, in the 121 years the value of the company grew by 2770.83%. 2.1% is considered a high interest rate for long term bond. After 121 years that will give you a growth of 1288.74%. Just to keep the relative value of the investment you are going to need at least a 3% return.
If you have substantial capital that opens up higher return's investments like real-estate commodities and stock. Most wealthy people have the majority of their money in long term investments that have a high entry point. The real wealth of the executive of the company comes more from their stock option than their salaries. Bill Gates did not become one of the richest men in the world because Microsoft paid him a high salary, his real wealth was from the value of the Microsoft stock. Since then, he diversified out and now has investments in a lot of things.
Immortality is not going to make you wealthy. If it did then senior citizens would all be fairly well off and not have any monetary worries. Most senior citizens are on a limited income and have to watch their money pretty carefully.
I'm currently paying about half my income on a home loan for an apartment, in 30 years that gets paid off and I now have half my income to invest in stocks and other resources. I can save that half of an income for 5 years (X income x 25 payments x 5 years = Y investment). I also can just work my way across the country like backpackers doing working odd jobs to fund the trip and see things. Anyway the point of this should not be "how do you get rich with immortality" it should be about the original question of what you take. Seriously why is everyone hating my choice of immortality so much they feel the need to argue about it to this extent? There's not this kind of pusback on other people's choices like magic or gaining skills and knowledge out of nowhere but you say you want immortality and everyone's saying it wont work in real life, you can't earn money by simple good financial planning, half insults about what a horrible person I must be to want it.
Look the op asked what we would take if we had these options this is what I would take. Maybe you don't like the idea but there is nothing stating it wont work this way and I feel if you have an eternity to earn funds you can earn funds by paying off debts, by buying into investments gold, property, etc, simply winning the lottery by chance once in a hundred years you can. However none of that is the POINT of this thread. If you want to keep arguing about this please make a new thread and I'll happily debate it there but this is getting to the point of derailing this one. About half the posts are debating my choice here and that is far too much when it is not the point of the thread.
There is nothing wrong with wanting immortality, but it may not give you all the advantages you think it will. I have worked hard my entire life and I am looking forward to the time where I can retire. My investments and assesses should allow me to live a comfortable life for my remaining years but would not last forever. Unless I could somehow gain a considerable amount of wealth I would be forced to go back to work at some point. This would create a never-ending cycle. So, for me securing the lifestyle I want to live takes priority over living forever. It is a matter of quality over quantity. If I could set up a situation where I never had to work then immortality would be more appealing, but the idea of working for hundreds or thousands of years does not appeal to me as much as living in luxury for my remaining years.
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There is nothing wrong with wanting immortality, but it may not give you all the advantages you think it will. I have worked hard my entire life and I am looking forward to the time where I can retire. My investments and assesses should allow me to live a comfortable life for my remaining years but would not last forever. Unless I could somehow gain a considerable amount of wealth I would be forced to go back to work at some point. This would create a never-ending cycle. So, for me securing the lifestyle I want to live takes priority over living forever. It is a matter of quality over quantity. If I could set up a situation where I never had to work then immortality would be more appealing, but the idea of working for hundreds or thousands of years does not appeal to me as much as living in luxury for my remaining years.
Yes but the important point there is "Remaining years" you know you are only likely to live so long so you want to stop working while you can still enjoy life a little. If you know you have 200, 700, 1000, 10000+ years then you could see working twice as long as not that big a deal as you have plenty of time left. Same with people who love their work and don't want to retire (I know people like this, my dad retired hated it and went back to work). Same with different jobs if you a cycling work/relax why not try a different job this time you study to be an electrician, next a lawyer then a chef and so on. Each job different new experiences and new knowledge.
There is nothing wrong with wanting immortality, but it may not give you all the advantages you think it will.
I've sort-of skimmed the last few posts, so appologies if I missed something. The advantages of Immortality are experience and luck.
With a century or a millenium of experience you would see patterns that others do not. You could start businesses and fail enough times that you'll eventually learn what to do and what not to. We can do this now, but the cost could be a decade of our lives wasted with nothing to show for it, so most of us don't. With eternity you could take all the time you need to study or whatever else you'd need to succeed.
And luck, if you invest in everything eventually you'll get lucky. Again this is something we can do now, but the payoff may be too slow to be truly useful. With eternity you could make a thousand bad investments, but a single good one would set you up for a long time.
Is it foolproof? No, but wisdom and experience would likely serve you on a long enough timescale.
Of course on an even longer timescale you'll eventually find yourself the primordial ancestor of those around you, likely outmatched in many important ways. And on an even longer timescale a worse fate awaits you. Make sure you have an out if you want it.
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There is nothing wrong with wanting immortality, but it may not give you all the advantages you think it will.I've sort-of skimmed the last few posts, so appologies if I missed something. The advantages of Immortality are experience and luck.
With a century or a millenium of experience you would see patterns that others do not. You could start businesses and fail enough times that you'll eventually learn what to do and what not to. We can do this now, but the cost could be a decade of our lives wasted with nothing to show for it, so most of us don't. With eternity you could take all the time you need to study or whatever else you'd need to succeed.
And luck, if you invest in everything eventually you'll get lucky. Again this is something we can do now, but the payoff may be too slow to be truly useful. With eternity you could make a thousand bad investments, but a single good one would set you up for a long time.
Is it foolproof? No, but wisdom and experience would likely serve you on a long enough timescale.
Of course on an even longer timescale you'll eventually find yourself the primordial ancestor of those around you, likely outmatched in many important ways. And on an even longer timescale a worse fate awaits you. Make sure you have an out if you want it.
Which I do its pathfinder immortality (eternal youth) not mythical immortality can't die. Even wont die only brings you back once a week, die twice to accident/disease/other and you stay dead.
I'll also point out that with prestidigitation at well you could in theory learn other spells in time.
Disagree--invest in a S&P 500 index fund and you can cover inflation, taxes and a little bit left over. Invest enough and you can live on it forever.