Has anyone tried it yet? Is it any good vs Pathfinder? I really don't see the point in handing over yet MORE money to Hasbro who is treating D&D like a Wargame and churning out a new edition every few years. I'm sort of sickened by the same people who were so angry about 3.5 and 4th ed so close together who went to Pathfinder who are now turning around and giving money back to this new D&D. Unless its insanely good I don't see why you'd quit Pathfinder and go back to D&D.
I think the responses you get on this forum are going to be more than a little bit biased in favor of Pathfinder.
In case you didn't notice my post was bias as well. Mostly because I do NOT see the point at all in giving Hasbro yet more money.
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Hasbro who is treating D&D like a Wargame
Got news for ya, buddy. Pathfinder and it's "grid + minis all but outright required" style is a lot closer to a war game than 5th edition.
From the playtest, I like the system a bit more than Pathfinder. Not as well as a host of retro-clones, however.
And really dude? Favoriting your own post?
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Oh good. Another chance for people to say what systems they don't like.
I was so missing the edition war. :(
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What will really decide Pathfinder vs D&D 5e will be support. That's really why Pathfinder became successful and 4e seems to have fizzled...Paizo pumped out a lot of support for their system, in terms of adventures, setting material, and rules supplements. WotC didn't. They did some rules supplements (although even those have almost completely dried up over the past two years or so), but very very little in terms of adventures or setting material. Especially if you exclude Dragon and Dungeon, which were both locked behind D&Di subscriptions.
WotC seems to be off to a pretty decent start, pre-launch, however. They've put out several adventures for 5e, and they even hired one of the best 3PP (Kobold Press) to write a FR adventure for them. The release of a free 5e version of "The Wizard's Amulet" seems to indicate that Frog God Games is at least considering supporting the system as well. That's TWO of the very best 3PP possibly on board for 5e. Very encouraging this early.
Okay, I'm going to write up rules for an edition wars drinking game. Just for topics like this.
Oh, and that bit about treating the game like a wargame: TSR did the same thing. And it's not a bad thing. Means they figure out what rules are not working and improve them.
I am hoping 5E gets a lot of support, but I'm going to instead expect Paizo to turn around and do something good with the rogue. I like to keep my expectations low and, knowing Paizo, they're going to fulfill those expectations in the Spring.
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It might be better to wait until people have had books in hand for a few months to start something like this. The PHB doesn't even come out until August or something I believe.
Hopefully Wizards will be smart enough to leverage their Hasbro owners for some My Little Pony IP and get some Friendship is Magic inspired stuff in that from the ground up.
I'll start an aside to help the thread out constructively. Why is being like a war game a bad thing? The whole genre came out war games after all. Well not the movie WarGames, but rather things like the old Chainmail game and so forth.
@Kthulou: I favorited my post so I could friggin monitor the topic more easily, "pal" (I'm not your pal, buddy). You also totally miss the point about churning out new editions so often.
@Alzrius: and because the core books are free means everything else is too? *eyeroll* Once again missing the point. Any adventures, setting, and other books will NOT be free.
It's relevant if you're already on the 5th ed train, especially if you were one of the hypocrits crying bloody tears of rage after 3.5 and 4th ed coming so soon out after 3rd ed did. So when is D&D AFTER NEXT coming out hmm?
Pft I've gotten you beat for the trolling drinking game. *eye roll* Way to avoid adressing any points at all. I knew you were just here to troll.
Unless you are actually going to adress my question and give your opinions of 5th ed, don't bother. Its funny that you all swarm here crying "edition war!" and other such things but are contributing to it when what I really wanted was someones opinion on it.
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You know that nobody's giving their money to Hasbro for the Basic game that just came out - what with it being completely free and all - right?
Thanks for the link! I'd been curious, and from what they've shared, the new edition looks very, very good to me. It's been streamlined in a lot of places that needed it, the modifiers don't overwhelm the random number generator anymore, and options are built into each class.
You also totally miss the point about churning out new editions so often.
Is... six years really that quick of a dev cycle? Maybe I'm just burned out by Call of Duty Syndrome but that seems like a fairly reasonable span of time to me. Especially since 4th Edition had such a marginal market share and Wizards has recognized they need to do things differently if they want to keep D&D relevant.
Scott Henry- Actually, I was here to delete the post. It was funny to type up, but not so funny when I had "help" posting it. I need to remind my cats to stay off the keyboard.
As for your points: What points? I'm still waiting for you to make one.
Honestly, nothing you're talking about is in any way that legitimate. Yes, 3.5 came out relatively quickly after 3.0... but 1.5 also came out relatively quickly after 1.0. 1E was released in 1974 and AD&D in 1977. 2E in 1989. 3E in 2000. 3.5 in 2003. 4E was released in 2008. And 5E is this year (2014). That's not that rapid of a release rate; Call of Cthulhu had 1E released in 1981 and is already on 7E. Shadowrun had 1E released in 1989 and is already in 5E. Even the newcomer Savage Worlds, which was released last decade, is already on 2E.
And your point about money... If you hate Hasbro getting money so much and hate their products so much, then why are you posting on the website of a company that is producing products based on a product that originated with Hasbro?
If you don't like the rules WotC is creating, then go complain to WotC. If I cared about their product, you would see me trying to discuss it on their website. And I'm certain I'm not alone in saying that I come to the Pathfinder section of this site to discuss Pathfinder.
It's relevant if you're already on the 5th ed train, especially if you were one of the hypocrits crying bloody tears of rage after 3.5 and 4th ed coming so soon out after 3rd ed did. So when is D&D AFTER NEXT coming out hmm?
Why is it relevant to you?
I like the games I like and you like the games you like. Yay.
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Locking thread. Edition warring is not welcome on our boards.