LilithsThrall |
At first, I thought Captain America, but he's more of a Paladin.
Batman doesn't count because Batman is a Rogue, Alchemist, etc.
I'm thinking Nick Fury might be the quintessential comic book fighter.
And that's interesting because I think Nick's schtick is ready access to a lot of military resources (tanks, helicopters, battleships, etc.)-something that the Fighter doesn't have. Maybe the Fighter should have a "Resources" value that gains in level and doesn't include his wbl.
malanthropus |
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At first, I thought Captain America, but he's more of a Paladin.
Batman doesn't count because Batman is a Rogue, Alchemist, etc.
I'm thinking Nick Fury might be the quintessential comic book fighter.
And that's interesting because I think Nick's schtick is ready access to a lot of military resources (tanks, helicopters, battleships, etc.)-something that the Fighter doesn't have. Maybe the Fighter should have a "Resources" value that gains in level and doesn't include his wbl.
Luke Cage
WPharolin |
I'd argue that Superman, Supergirl, and Powergirl are fighters. All of their supernatural abilities are racial traits and not class features. Their fighting style is the drag-em out, beat em-up style of fist fighting more suitable to fighters with improved unarmed strike. Ms. Marvel is pretty much they same way.
Also, Red (Abiding Perdition), Fandral (Thor), Citizen Steel (JSA), and Hawkman (JLA) all seem like fighters to me.
Of course, I don't think comic book characters are using D&D at all. If anything they are using Champions, Mutants and Masterminds, or Mutant City Blues.
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Kaiyanwang |
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Kaiyanwang wrote:The Comedian.
You bet Comedian. Hmm. Raise with Ozymandias.
Regards,
Ruemere
Watchmen, Pathfinder version (just for fun):
The Comedian is a Fighter. He just kills stuff efficently, and he's expert of a good array of weapons. He's just not te BSF, he's a smart person. Combat expertise? He displays good uses of few strenght based skills.
Rorscharch is an Inquisitor. Ruthless, intimidating: His "divine power" in the setting is his convinction. He continuously seeks and looks for answers. He's resourceful and stalwart.
Dr. Manhattan is a Diviner Wizard. Level 20, and with the immortality discovery. He did not ban trasmutation school for sure - spams disintegrate several times! Conjuration neither since teleports. Is powerful as a 20th level wizard + immortal. Template? divine rank 0?
Nighr Owl is an Alchemyst, melee oriented. He has several interesting tricks and devices, intelligence, and the ability of adapt his gear (in a magicless world, he changes gear intead of himslef to adapt to a situation). The power level is not of a full caster.
Silk spectre seems a..? Monk! She delivers few interesting attacks, is well versed in melee and defends herself even with very light clothes. She's able to interact wisely with the wizard when really needed, and uses evasion.
Ozymandias is a Cleric. As with Rorsharch, a superior principle guides him, and to that you must add the cult.. of HIMSELF. he wants de facto ascend to divinity himself. He's enough powerful to outsmart the Wizard (Wisdom vs Intelligence), and prepared (read: carefully BUFFED) beats the Fighter (an old Fighter in that moment, penality to physical stats, and morale penalties). He has a lot of resources and utility, of high level, and this thanks to his convinction.
And now, i want to play an adventure, or remake the whole story :(
ruemere |
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Well played. I'd use Savage Worlds or EABA (with larger than life characters).
My interpretation of characters is a bit different:
Comedian's a brute. Slow, powerful and tough. And nasty.
Roscharch is presence/stealth commando. He relies on his ability to terrify opponents, uses stealth, gadgets and improvised weapons to great effect. He has also extremely forceful personality. In times of need he can draw on hysterical strength to perform feats of extreme brutality. Suffers from paranoia. Obsessive.
Dr Manhattan is an addict, drunk on hyper-reality and possibilities, lacking in social graces, with his gifts slowly eroding his humanity. He is less than human and extremely focused, to the point of being a bit dumb. Often spaces out distracted by phenomena beyond anyone else's perception.
Night Owl is a more mundane version of Dr Manhattan, with skills in applied science. His strength is a product of his dedication to ideals of perfection. Though, being less driven than most of the characters, he's fallen a bit behind.
Silk Spectre is a martial artist and adrenaline junkie. Highly skilled and quick, prone to bouts of aggression.
Ozymandias is the opposite to Dr Manhattan. Totally focused on reality, he is capable of manipulating it to great effect, both in micro (personal ability to control and overpower opponents) and macro scale (the world). Extreme levels of awareness coupled with agility and ability to use opponent's maneuvers against them.
Regards,
Ruemere
P33J |
Thor, he does most of his fighting with a weapon. He goes without his weapon for too long and he's useless.
You could argue iron man is a fighter in Celestial Plate with a Celestial Shield, though his repulsor beans sort of defy fighter definition. Though in one of the cartoons set in the future, he refers to himself as a Knight (I got kids who love to watch the straight to DVD Avenger cartoons)
Kieviel |
I gotta go with Captain America as I really don't see him as a paladin. He's neutral good, not lawful (anybody remember the Civil War storyline?) and doesn’t seem to have any magical abilities beyond enhancement.
So, Captain America gets my vote :-)
Also Cassandra Cain Batgirl, Wonder Woman and Deadpool.
ikarinokami |
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I gotta go with Captain America as I really don't see him as a paladin. He's neutral good, not lawful (anybody remember the Civil War storyline?) and doesn’t seem to have any magical abilities beyond enhancement.
So, Captain America gets my vote :-)
Also Cassandra Cain Batgirl, Wonder Woman and Deadpool.
Civil War storyline AKA a bunch of marvel heroes acting completely out of character.
Kieviel |
Kieviel wrote:Civil War storyline AKA a bunch of marvel heroes acting completely out of character.I gotta go with Captain America as I really don't see him as a paladin. He's neutral good, not lawful (anybody remember the Civil War storyline?) and doesn’t seem to have any magical abilities beyond enhancement.
So, Captain America gets my vote :-)
Also Cassandra Cain Batgirl, Wonder Woman and Deadpool.
As opposed to the very strict and stringent character quality boundaries that they usually have? It seems to me that the vast majority of comic book characters bend and twist their personalities throughout the years.
Hell, Batman started out using a gun and recently Cap was part of a black-ops team of Secret Avengers.
If you want lawful good you may want to look to the way DC Comics tends to portray Captain Atom. He's a Government sanctioned good guy who works within the bounds of established law.
*edited for spelling
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Maccabee, he is at least the most iconic.... hee.
Not sure why I didn't say it earlier, but here's a contribution to the discussion:
[Wonder Woman is] the best g&$$&!ned warrior planet Earth has ever known, and she happens to carry a mystical arsenal around just for the hell of it.
Maccabee |
Maccabee, he is at least the most iconic.... hee.
Not sure why I didn't say it earlier, but here's a contribution to the discussion:
Gail Simone wrote:[Wonder Woman is] the best g@%$~~ned warrior planet Earth has ever known, and she happens to carry a mystical arsenal around just for the hell of it.
Hey, he's in a comic and unlike the rest, has actual fighter levels. Heh.
In all seriousness I would pick Diana as well, being the apex warrior of the DCU and all that. Not to mention my wife's all time favorite role model.
sunbeam |
Hmmm I guess martial arts is a subset of "Fighter," unless you are figuring that differently.
If I can use martial arts I say Shang Chi, Master of Kung Fu.
He really hasn't been used much since his series ended in the early 80's (?), but I always thought of him as the ultimate martial artist. None of the rest of the Marvel martial artists (yeah it was a thing once, like westerns) measure up: Sons of the Tiger, White Tiger, Iron Fist.
DC did okay with that theme, but Richard Dragon, Lady Shiva, none of the rest of them measure up to what Marvel was doing in the 70's with that. And Shang Chi was definitely the poster boy for that era. Hmmm Richard Dragon may be an older character than Shang Chi, not sure, but he just isn't as memorable.
Philosophizing with Shang Chi worked so well, unlike Mr. A or even the Question.