I can only assume it involves some sort of cosmic being type alien, like the one who was fanboy for Napoleon
Yeah I just don't get the resistance to the idea of a musical episode.
Had Gene thought of the idea of doing an entire episode that capitalized on Nichelle and Leonard's vocal training - he would absolutely have done it.
Berman era Trek would also be a natural fit for a musical episode. TNG it would have been at home in a holodeck episode, a Q episode, or as one of Dr. Crusher's productions. DS9 it would have been more successful than "Move Along Home" and in the back half of the series would 100% have involved Vic Fontaine's lounge. Voyager basically did an episode that was one long Opera recital by The Doctor.
I can only assume it involves some sort of cosmic being type alien, like the one who was fanboy for Napoleon
The downside of streaming, they "just" did one of those with the alien forcing them to have the fairy tale.
Rewatching DS9 you kinda go "they spend a lot of time in hippy vision mode..."
The downside of streaming, they "just" did one of those with the alien forcing them to have the fairy tale.
I don't really feel like doing an alien influence episode in the back half of season one and another in the back half of season two is really THAT much of a problem
No! There will be no singing on the Enterprise!
Damn skippy! Much better than something better suited to Broadway.
To be clear, I am absolutely 110% on board with a musical episode, and don't want any Charlie Xs or other naysayers silencing our potential performers. I've never met a musical episode I didn't like, and given this show's propensity to balance drama with hilarity, I have every expectation this will be brilliant.
Oh man I bet the TNG cast are going to be jealous....
As an aside, many years ago, I saw Nichelle Nichols (Rest in Peace) at a Q&A at a Star Trek con. She sang for the audience and was every bit as good as she was in her youth.
It looks like from the poster our Uhura will be singing as well, so I look forward to seeing how well Celia Rose Gooding performs. (Along with everyone else.)
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No! There will be no singing on the Enterprise!Damn skippy! Much better than something better suited to Broadway.To be clear, I am absolutely 110% on board with a musical episode, and don't want any Charlie Xs or other naysayers silencing our potential performers. I've never met a musical episode I didn't like, and given this show's propensity to balance drama with hilarity, I have every expectation this will be brilliant.
Oh man I bet the TNG cast are going to be jealous....
As an aside, many years ago, I saw Nichelle Nichols (Rest in Peace) at a Q&A at a Star Trek con. She sang for the audience and was every bit as good as she was in her youth.
It looks like from the poster our Uhura will be singing as well, so I look forward to seeing how well Celia Rose Gooding performs. (Along with everyone else.)
I met her at the con which was her last appearance. She was in her wheelchair and went right past my booth, waving a bit.
I wished mom and dad were there for that.
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No! There will be no singing on the Enterprise!Damn skippy! Much better than something better suited to Broadway.To be clear, I am absolutely 110% on board with a musical episode, and don't want any Charlie Xs or other naysayers silencing our potential performers.
To be honest, it doesn’t really bother me all that much, other than a vague feeling of sadness at how the mighty have fallen. I never really watched this show and had kinda forgotten it existed.
I’m not much for musicals of any sort. I understand, however, if other people like this sort of thing being thrown into modern audience star trek. I’ve got my Blu-ray copies of the original series and Next Generation to make up for the loss.
That won’t stop me from making fun of it. Probably.
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To be honest, it doesn’t really bother me all that much, other than a vague feeling of sadness at how the mighty have fallen.
What does that even mean?
I’ve got my Blu-ray copies of the original series and Next Generation to make up for the loss.
So you can go watch the time the did a Noir episode, or the time they die a Sherlock Holmes episode; or the time they did a Robin Hood episode, or the time they did a western episode, or the times they did a procedural, or the times they did a trial, or the time they did an episode where they interpreted any existing genre into their episodic format.
That’s the exact same thing they’re doing on SNW
...Well That was better than I thought it would be but still pretty ridiculous.
What worries me though is between this and Low Decks crossover, we have had two fairly light hearted episodes close together now and I think the next one is the Season Finale
My gut tells me it's going to be brutal
HOLY F*!& some of these guys have some serious pipes.
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I can't help but feel this will be one more of the things "Klingons do not Discuss"
auto.. tuned.. bahahahahahahahahahhaaa....
I fell over and almost landed on the cat.
ear worm?
RUNS SCREAMING
I can't help but feel this will be one more of the things "Klingons do not Discuss"
What will be?
*sound of batleths being sharpened*
I had missed episode 8 so watched both episode 8 and 9 tonight... bit of a mood whiplash, but episode 8 was brutal (and excellent) so the uplift and catharsis of 9 was ultimately welcome. Just loved it. (Loved both episodes, but the following will be stream of thought gushing about ep 9.)
Somehow while Uhura was singing her song, my dry eye syndrome mysteriously cured itself. Hm.
(And LOL the Klingon Boy Band...)
Given this apparently affected the entire fleet, I wonder if there's just a missing day in Federation and Klingon history...
And man yeah, everyone sang so well (yes, there was some autotune, but still). Christina Chong particularly blew me away, although it was kind of hilarious how she was always looking especially angry every time she sang, like La'an is trying to resist even as she's utterly belting it.
Was the "bunnies" mention a nod to the musical episode of Buffy? ;)
The improbability field also made me think of Hitchhiker's. (But Spock and Uhura sadly did not use a strong, hot cup of tea in their calculations. Perhaps why they had such trouble.)
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This is adding a personality quirk to the NPC Captain for the Star Trek RPG campaign I am working on. Singing is forbidden on his ship. He won't ever explain why, it just is
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The Ready Room episode on episode 9 is very good, nice to see the behind the scenes stuff. The interview with Christina Chong is really good too.
I did not know Celia Rose Gooding was a Grammy winner! They were in the Broadway show Jagged Little Pill which received Best Musical Theater Album. They and also got nominated for a Tony for Best Actress for the same show.
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This was 892nd episode of Star Trek. All of the 891 other TV episodes of Star Trek and all 13 movies are not musicals (Data singing Gilbert & Sullivan for 1 minute in Insurrection excepted). So it's fine if they take a punt on one or two weirdly experimental episodes here and there.
Buffy did a musical after just 106 episodes, and IIRC Xena managed to do two in around 120 episodes.
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This was 892nd episode of Star Trek. All of the 891 other TV episodes of Star Trek and all 13 movies are not musicals (Data singing Gilbert & Sullivan for 1 minute in Insurrection excepted). So it's fine if they take a punt on one or two weirdly experimental episodes here and there.
Buffy did a musical after just 106 episodes, and IIRC Xena managed to do two in around 120 episodes.
Just adding to this: (not well actuallying, just making an excuse to talk about Xena.) Xena's first musical episode was only its 58th episode (season 3 episode 12, "The Bitter Suite"). It was the proper musical, as in it had its own original soundtrack. The plot, in very broad strokes, was similar to the recent SNW episode: Xena and Gabrielle enter a dimension of dreams/illusions where everything is a musical, and the point is being forced to sing gets them to emote deep and complex feelings that would otherwise been difficult to convey. The showrunners wanted to use a musical format because they felt it would be the most efficient way to get the characters' feelings out on the table and somewhat resolved after an emotional difficult plotline. While one might argue Xena could--and did--run campy and could get away with a dark plotline, it ran as the resolution to an extremely serious, emotional, dark time in the series, and it worked.
The second musical episode was a musical review (all covers, mostly of rock songs) and was episode 100 ("Lyre Lyre," season 5 episode 10). It was a much more lighthearted plot around different factions fighting to possess, IIRC, Apollo's lyre. (I didn't look it up and I don't remember clearly. I just remember that their version of "Sisters Doing it For Themselves" kicks ass).
Wasn't there a "Hippies in Space" episode of the original? There was no singing there?
I haven't seen the complete episode since I was a kid, but I watched a clip or two not long ago. I don't remember singing, but Spock jams on his harp with a hippie lute player, and they were broadcasting the performance on the ship's comms system.
There's been a lot of singing on Star Trek over the years. And other music as well (instruments). Voyager had a whole episode where the Doctor gets a group of obsessive alien fans because they had never heard music before and keep demanding he sings opera to them.
The girl playing with Spock is but one of five musical numbers in this particular episode. The other four are vocal numbers
......I always hated when Next Gen used to do this
......I always hated when movie serials used to do this
Wow. I'm slightly annoyed at the cliffhanger ending, but still a solid ending and, IIRC, season finale. Little bit of Aliens-esque horror rounding out the story.
Though the opening setting of "hey, what's the cheapest location we can shoot at where it would make sense for people to be?" was hilarious, as was the lampshading as to why it was that location. Spent too much money on animation I guess. ;)
Liked this season overall even more than the first.
Wow. I'm slightly annoyed at the cliffhanger ending, but still a solid ending and, IIRC, season finale. Little bit of Aliens-esque horror rounding out the story.
Wow, that was poorly edited/thought out.
Wow was a separate thought. As in "Wow, overall this was a good episode."
And then separately, "However, I'm slightly annoyed..." (And only very very slightly.)
I say I'll learn not to post before coffee but I never do...
Though the opening setting of "hey, what's the cheapest location we can shoot at where it would make sense for people to be?" was hilarious, as was the lampshading as to why it was that location. Spent too much money on animation I guess. ;)
Shot mostly on the holodeck, it was not a budgetary constraint but an homage to the backlot colony worlds from TOS.
DAMMIT THEY NEXT GEN'D US!
DAMMIT THEY NEXT GEN'D US!
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DAMMIT THEY NEXT GEN'D US!??
Every season of Next Generation would end on a Cliffhanger, frustrating as hell. Come to think of it most shows in those days would Cliffhanger you end of season, they saw it as a way of making sure you came back for the next one.
Ah, I never thought of that as specific to Next Gen, or Star Trek (IIRC I recall a lot of Voyager and DS9 seasons ending that way too). Lot of shows still do that. It's only fairly recent I recall a few series I watch ending more conclusively out of fear of not being renewed.
Even some of the sitcoms would do it.
I think Buffy was one of the few shows that approached every season with the understanding that it wasn't going to be renewed, so they would wrap up the story arc while leaving some tidbits to pick up for a next season.
Every season of Next Generation would end on a Cliffhanger, frustrating as hell. Come to think of it most shows in those days would Cliffhanger you end of season, they saw it as a way of making sure you came back for the next one.
Not every season, 4 out of 7.
It's arguable if hinting of the existence of the Borg in the Season 1 finale was also a bit of a cliffhanger, as was the Romulans declaring they were back and a potential real threat.
The Season 2 finale didn't have any cliffhangery elements, apart from being the very worst episode of Star Trek ever made.
In The Way to Eden, the main hippy alien has at least two musical numbers where he sings. Hilariously, he's the same actor as the cigar-chomping US general in the DS9 Roswell episode Little Green Men, and he loved the massive dissonance between the two characters he played 30 years apart.
Not really a cliffhanger, more a seeding of potential plots. There was no "I have to tune in next episode to see how this resolves."
In The Way to Eden, the main hippy alien has at least two musical numbers where he sings.
There are five musical numbers in the episode, four of which contain Charles Napier’s vocals.
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I hope this is a fun fact:
"The Best of Both Worlds" cliffhanger codified the season finale cliffhanger ending.
While it was awesome, I hate what it created. So many series ended with cliffhangers and were cancelled.
I'm not sure that the cliffhanger with Picard as a Borg was the first, but it was the wildly successful one that everyone copied and still copies.
And if you don't know, it wasn't known to the creators (or the fans) that Stewart was coming back after that finale, so the episode was left open so they could write him out. The plan if he didn't renew his contract was to make Riker the captain and Shelby the new XO.
Fun What IF?
"The Best of Both Worlds" cliffhanger codified the season finale cliffhanger ending.
While it was awesome, I hate what it created. So many series ended with cliffhangers and were cancelled.
I'm not sure that the cliffhanger with Picard as a Borg was the first, but it was the wildly successful one that everyone copied and still copies.
"Who shot J.R.?" was a decade earlier. Dynasty, Falcon Crest, even Cheers routinely used cliffhanger endings before Best of Both Worlds.
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I hope this is a fun fact:
"The Best of Both Worlds" cliffhanger codified the season finale cliffhanger ending.
While it was awesome, I hate what it created. So many series ended with cliffhangers and were cancelled.
I'm not sure that the cliffhanger with Picard as a Borg was the first, but it was the wildly successful one that everyone copied and still copies.
And if you don't know, it wasn't known to the creators (or the fans) that Stewart was coming back after that finale, so the episode was left open so they could write him out. The plan if he didn't renew his contract was to make Riker the captain and Shelby the new XO.
The season cliffhanger concept was likely borrowed from UK space opera BLAKE'S 7 (1978-81), which ended each of its four seasons with a massive cliffhanger to bring people back the following year. B7 itself was influenced by the original run of DOCTOR WHO (1963-89) which often ended episodes on a cliffhanger (though normally within a serial, occasionally between serials and only a few times between seasons). A bunch of TNG writers were also massive fans of DOCTOR WHO (a list of the then-seven actors to play the role is on a background monitor in the TNG Season 1 finale and the Borg are, at the very least, influenced by the Cybermen and Daleks).
I hope this is a fun fact:
"The Best of Both Worlds" cliffhanger codified the season finale cliffhanger ending.
While it was awesome, I hate what it created. So many series ended with cliffhangers and were cancelled.
I'm not sure that the cliffhanger with Picard as a Borg was the first, but it was the wildly successful one that everyone copied and still copies.
And if you don't know, it wasn't known to the creators (or the fans) that Stewart was coming back after that finale, so the episode was left open so they could write him out. The plan if he didn't renew his contract was to make Riker the captain and Shelby the new XO.
Fun What IF?
I'll use it in the other thread.
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Finally caught up, and as for the cliffhanger, I loved them back in the day, and like them still now. The difference though is that back in the day, with 22 episode seasons, you needed to wait about 3 months to see what happened, which still was long enough to be a burning question for you all summer long, but now with 10 episode seasons on average, and higher streaming TV production budgets and values, and post production timelines (including things like subtitles and dubbing in dozens of languages) it is generally 12-18 months before you'll get a season ending cliffhanger like this resolved. (and with the strikes going on, likely longer - unless SNW had already finished shooting season 3). That's a LOT of time to wait. I'd much rather have cliffhangers at the midpoint of a season, and release the season in 2 parts with 1-2 months in between.