Can the ancient elf heritage be used for a multiclass archetype, or does it have to be used to multiclass into a whole character class like wizard or something.
There is no way to "multiclass into a whole character class" in 2e, so I'm going to assume you're referring to the difference between a multiclass archetype and an archetype without the mutliclass trait, in which case yes, the archetype that you choose must have the multiclass trait such as the wizard dedication.
Can the ancient elf heritage be used for a multiclass archetype, or does it have to be used to multiclass into a whole character class like wizard or something.
I'm not sure you stated the question very clearly. But I think I understand the question anyway.
Yes, it has to be a full class archetype. Because you choose the class first.
Choose a class other than your own.
After that choice of class, then you get the Archetype Dedication feat for that multiclass archetype.
You gain the multiclass dedication feat for that class
I didn't think I worded the question weird. But since every single person said I was confusing, I must have.
My only question was that the free multiclass from the ancient elf has to be a base class like wizard or cleric. Like, I couldn't take archeologist or medic or something.
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Yes, only multiclass dedications are valid. Archaeologist etc are not multiclass dedications.
You can tell an dedication is a multiclass one because it will have the multiclass trait. Nothing has the multiclass trait other than the dedications associated with the multiclass archetypes (e.g. "cleric dedication").
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Okay. At least now I know.
Seems kinda goofy that my ancient elf cleric can't be a medic or archeologist. Those don't seem more powerful than wizard or fighter. But the rules are the rules, I suppose.
The ancient elf heritage is for "you're someone who started a different path in life but changed course completely because this is an option for people as long-lived as elves".
Something you'd do in parallel with your career as a wizard or fighter, like becoming a medic, is not something elves are going to have an easier time doing than other ancestries.
If you're interested in a campaign where everybody gets to be a medic or a juggler or whatever, consider the "free archetype" variant from the GMG. The Ancient Elf is already one of the most powerful heritages, so don't expect GMs to be super lenient with it.
I think it's because ancient elf came out before the advanced guide when we got our non multiclass archetypes. It wouldn't be a bad idea to include those with a home rule if you can convince your GM.
Nah, non-multiclass archetype very much existed as a concept at that point and they even had a few during the playtest. They deliberately made ancient elf multiclass only.
Your GM is free to lift that restriction either way, of course.
I think it's because ancient elf came out before the advanced guide when we got our non multiclass archetypes. It wouldn't be a bad idea to include those with a home rule if you can convince your GM.Nah, non-multiclass archetype very much existed as a concept at that point and they even had a few during the playtest. They deliberately made ancient elf multiclass only.
Your GM is free to lift that restriction either way, of course.
I might see if the GM will allow it. Mostly because I'm not going for more "power." I'm gonna be playing a cloistered cleric of Desna. And I want something studious. Only base class for that I'd want would be wizard. Hoping for Loremaster, Herbalist, that sort of thing. Just to go with his booky nerdy concept.
Okay. At least now I know.
Seems kinda goofy that my ancient elf cleric can't be a medic or archeologist. Those don't seem more powerful than wizard or fighter. But the rules are the rules, I suppose.
Back in the original AD&D, elves (and their half human progeny) were the supreme multiclassers. They were the only ones able to multiclass in three classes.
I think that the use of "Ancient" is a bit of a pun that refers to those original elves as well as the age of the character. The Ancient-blooded Dwarf heritage is probably a nod to the original game, too. Back then dwarves were very much non-magical.
I wonder why. I never messed with the playtest. I figured multiclass options are generally more powerful than non multiclass options. The standout ones usually have their dedication at a higher level, which wouldn't work with ancient elf anyways.
It's quite the opposite. Multiclass dedications only allow you access to class feats up to level 10, and much later in level (can take a level 10 multiclass feat at Character level 20) Archetypes allow you to get access to higher level feats much closer or at their native level. Archetype Dedication feats can also grant you expert or higher proficiency in AC, Weapons, or Skills, something you can't get from Multiclass dedications, and only rarely from Multiclass Archetype Feats.
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The ancient elf heritage is for "you're someone who started a different path in life but changed course completely because this is an option for people as long-lived as elves".
Flavourwise, quite a few of the archetypes seem absolutely fine as a life path to me. Medic is a case in point, its absolutely perfect for a non combat oriented doctor sort (which are kinda a common character in fiction)
An elf who spent centuries being a medic before deciding that he really, really needed to become a <blort> seems exactly as reasonable as an elf who spent centuries as a fighter.
Note - just arguing justification. The rules are clear that only a multiclass archetype counts
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I might see if the GM will allow it. Mostly because I'm not going for more "power." I'm gonna be playing a cloistered cleric of Desna. And I want something studious. Only base class for that I'd want would be wizard. Hoping for Loremaster, Herbalist, that sort of thing. Just to go with his booky nerdy concept.I think it's because ancient elf came out before the advanced guide when we got our non multiclass archetypes. It wouldn't be a bad idea to include those with a home rule if you can convince your GM.Nah, non-multiclass archetype very much existed as a concept at that point and they even had a few during the playtest. They deliberately made ancient elf multiclass only.
Your GM is free to lift that restriction either way, of course.
A suggestion I’d make is to go with the Alchemist or the Investigator classes if you’ve got to stick with multiclass. Investigator could represent your character being very focused when pursuing their research, while an Alchemist can focus on healing or supporting elixirs and tools rather than bombs or poisons.