2nd Edition Small Barbarian with Giant Instinct


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So to begin with, the Giant Instinct lets any Small or Medium creature wield a weapon built for a Large creature, that's all fine. BUT if you pick up Giant's Stature, it says you become Large regardless of whether you were Small or Medium before and also that your equipment grows with you. So if a Small barbarian grows two size categories to Large, does the weapon also grow two size categories to Gargantuan? Whereas a Medium creature would only grow one size category and would only end up with a Huge weapon?


Maybe ask on the 2nd edition rules questions forum? Flagged to be moved.

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Jolken Jenkins wrote:
So to begin with, the Giant Instinct lets any Small or Medium creature wield a weapon built for a Large creature, that's all fine. BUT if you pick up Giant's Stature, it says you become Large regardless of whether you were Small or Medium before and also that your equipment grows with you. So if a Small barbarian grows two size categories to Large, does the weapon also grow two size categories to Gargantuan? Whereas a Medium creature would only grow one size category and would only end up with a Huge weapon?

Yes. But changing the size of the weapon doesn't do anything beyond the description of the ability. You didn't lose anything by being smaller, so you don't get anything back.

Giant Instinct itself doesn't change your size.

Giants Stature does, and it does change your weapon size too. The only rules problem I can see here is that size tiny character would also get normal reach back from no longer being tiny, then get the extra reach in the ability.

There are no rules for weapons of different sizes doing different damage just this and this.

Its a big change since the previous system, and I hated it as you will see if you dig back in the forum. But that is the rules, and the intention of the designers.


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Gortle wrote:
Jolken Jenkins wrote:
So to begin with, the Giant Instinct lets any Small or Medium creature wield a weapon built for a Large creature, that's all fine. BUT if you pick up Giant's Stature, it says you become Large regardless of whether you were Small or Medium before and also that your equipment grows with you. So if a Small barbarian grows two size categories to Large, does the weapon also grow two size categories to Gargantuan? Whereas a Medium creature would only grow one size category and would only end up with a Huge weapon?

Yes. But changing the size of the weapon doesn't do anything beyond the description of the ability. You didn't lose anything by being smaller, so you don't get anything back.

Giant Instinct itself doesn't change your size.

Giants Stature does, and it does change your weapon size too. The only rules problem I can see here is that size tiny character would also get normal reach back from no longer being tiny, then get the extra reach in the ability.

There are no rules for weapons of different sizes doing different damage just this and this.

Its a big change since the previous system, and I hated it as you will see if you dig back in the forum. But that is the rules, and the intention of the designers.

There's a problem, because one statistic does change. Bulk.

A large creature has their bulk limit doubled, (so let's say from 9 to 18) but a gargantuan weapon has its bulk multiplied by 8.
So if it works as per the OP states their Greatsword (and most two-handed weapons really) would take up 16 out of their 18 bulk limit.


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I'd argue that a weapon growing with you means changing the same number of steps of weapon size, not the same number of steps of character size. A small and a medium character both use the exact same weapons, so if you grew from small to medium with normal weapons and your weapons changed size with you would they not still be normal sized weapons? Same thing with going from small to large while carrying a large weapon. The weapon change from a small creature to a large creature is one step, so your large weapon would increase one step to a huge one.


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Sagiam wrote:

There's a problem, because one statistic does change. Bulk.

A large creature has their bulk limit doubled, (so let's say from 9 to 18) but a gargantuan weapon has its bulk multiplied by 8.
So if it works as per the OP states their Greatsword (and most two-handed weapons really) would take up 16 out of their 18 bulk limit.

The ratio of bulk stays the same. Your oversized weapon is still only one level over your new size. The ratio of your carrying capacity to the bulk of the weapon remains similar.

So a Medium character with a size large weapon of bulk 4 (highest possible), he likely has 18 strength and a carrying capacity of 9.
When he rages and becomes size large, the weapon is now huge.

The weapon is now bulk 8, but its OK as the now Large creature has a doubled carrying capacity of 18.

There is another option to grow to size huge and the weapon to guargantuan
But now the bulk of the weapon is 16, yet carrying capacity is 36

Further more things count as light or negligible and the total bulk lost is even more.

Check the numbers. Its in the players favour all the way. You can safely ignore it in normal circumstances.

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