Is there any creature that can teleport an entire village from one place to another?

[Salamileg]

From either edition of Pathfinder, is there any sort of creature that has the power to teleport an entire village, buildings and all? And if not, what level would likely be appropriate for a creature that can?

[Perpdepog]

The only thing I can think of off-hand that would do that sort of thing is a Bilious Talisman, which is an artifact with a pit fiend trapped inside. Not just a pit fiend, but an infernal duke, no less.

Taking that into account I'd say that the average level for a creature that could do such a thing would be 19 or 20 at the absolute minimum, and in all likelihood something more powerful. That isn't to say something weaker that got its hands on an artifact of some stripe couldn't do it, though.

I don't think you'll find a creature that can do such a thing in PF2E, not because creatures can't get that powerful, but because something like this is largely a plot-level power rather than an encounter-level one, and PF2E monsters tend to save on those and fill them in in the description sidebars, if at all.

[pauljathome]

Hao Jin did this (plane shift rather than teleport) while creating her tapestry.

Not sure if she was ever statted out but she was probably something like level 20 with several mythic tiers.

It's pretty much story level power and not going to be found in an actual stat block

[Matthew Downie]

I'd argue this is not an unreasonable thing for a Wish to be able to do, as long as it's not being used for something abusive (like dropping the village on a castle or sending it into space or whatever).

[pauljathome]

Matthew Downie wrote:

I'd argue this is not an unreasonable thing for a Wish to be able to do, as long as it's not being used for something abusive (like dropping the village on a castle or sending it into space or whatever).

Personally, I'd go for miracle over wish.

[andreww]

If it existed in 2e this sort of thing is almost certainly going to be a ritual.

[Deadmanwalking]

pauljathome wrote:

Hao Jin did this (plane shift rather than teleport) while creating her tapestry.

Not sure if she was ever statted out but she was probably something like level 20 with several mythic tiers.

It's pretty much story level power and not going to be found in an actual stat block

Hao Jin was listed in PF1 as a Sorcerer 20/Archmage 9, and thus one of the single scariest creatures around with a converted level of at least 24 and probably 25 or 26 in PF2 (Sorshen, at Wizard 20/Trickster 10 came in at CR 27 due to other stuff and would thus convert to level 27...Hao Jin could easily be around there).

So...yeah, if you want to do this in the Inner Sea, I suspect you talk to Sorshen, the Whispering Tyrant, or Geb, not lesser mortals. An open-to-interpretation wish (or similar spell) might also do it, but I'd be very leery of where you wound up if wishing for something like that...

[Temperans]

Hmm, lets see.

PF1 had a 6th level spell to teleport a building (Teleport Structure), with the following requirements: It had to occupy a space of 1/4 your caster level (in the downtime rules), all the owners had to consent, the target location must be a valid for that building, you can only teleport the building to a location in the same settlement district, and finally you have to control the settlement.

Basically a 6th level spell to move the building from one street to the next.

So yeah it would take very high mythic levels or CR to do that type of stuff. Overall, its something that a GM has to create for themselves. Paizo is very unlikely to give any specifics on something so campaign breaking as that, specially in PF2.

I think nothing less than a 10th level spell or ritual with mythic power will be enough.

[Perpdepog]

Where is Hao Jin statted up? That sounds like a fun statblock to read.

[Deadmanwalking]

Perpdepog wrote:

Where is Hao Jin statted up? That sounds like a fun statblock to read.

I don't believe they ever did a full stat block, just the 'LN Human Sorcerer 20/Archmage 9' thing.

[Temperans]

Paizo typically only made stat blocks for things that were in a campaign. Which is why Baba Yaga has a stat block.

[UnArcaneElection]

Deadmanwalking wrote:

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Hao Jin was listed in PF1 as a Sorcerer 20/Archmage 9, and thus one of the single scariest creatures around with a converted level of at least 24 and probably 25 or 26 in PF2 (Sorshen, at Wizard 20/Trickster 10 came in at CR 27 due to other stuff and would thus convert to level 27...Hao Jin could easily be around there).
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Are we supposed to be getting Epic levels in Pathfinder 2nd Edition?

[Temperans]

I heard that a Mythic system was going to be made. But I have not heard any details as to what that system would be like. I dont think it will go anywhere near as powerful as PF1 Mythic.

Also for reference Mythic levels in PF1 are not epic levels. Epic levels is level 21+. Mythic was more like class level 5 and mythic level 1.

[Deadmanwalking]

UnArcaneElection wrote:

Are we supposed to be getting Epic levels in Pathfinder 2nd Edition?

I'd bet good money we'll get some equivalent to Mythic eventually, just because of a combination of world building reasons and demand. I believe the designers have even implied as much a few times.

Will it take the form of levels? Maybe not, but it'll be as powerful as levels are, sort of inevitably, and power level was rather the point I was getting at.

[UnArcaneElection]

Temperans wrote:

I heard that a Mythic system was going to be made. But I have not heard any details as to what that system would be like. I dont think it will go anywhere near as powerful as PF1 Mythic.

Also for reference Mythic levels in PF1 are not epic levels. Epic levels is level 21+. Mythic was more like class level 5 and mythic level 1.

Well, that's the thing -- back in the early days of Pathfinder 1st Edition, it DID have some guidelines for Epic levels (although they didn't call them that -- that was a D&D 3.x term), although as far as I know they never got used except maybe in some home games that I haven't seen reports of.

[Temperans]

I had epic levels used once in a homebrew campaign.

One of the players drew the +1 level card from a deck of many things once or twice.