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Considering the sheer number of abuses of the synthesist archetype in PF1 I'm pretty okay with Synthesis being a thing that a character would do purely for the aesthetics of it, and not for any sort of mechanical efficiency.
And yet there's a good chunk of the summoner fan base that want to go all synthesist...
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That might not be enough. Having to spend 1 action / turn to compete in melee and not having a fourth action might make them not competitive option compared to martial classes. I would be more in favor of getting the bonus given by Boost Eidolon if you're merged with your eidolon (I assume synthesis would be a class path and not a feat).Honestly, the easiest change to synthesis is to allow the combined creature to cast conduit spells and self targeting spells from the summoner's spells known, using the summoner's slots.
And that any effect on the summoner migrates to the new combined creature.
Oh, I don't disagree- but assessing focus spells is a huge problem for me personally, they never seem like they do enough (the oracle was and is a huge problem, as I'd almost never consider casting a focus spell being worth the penalties invoked)
So, yeah, conduit spells likely need tweaking, but I'm definitely not the person to do it.
But synthesis bringing the hammer down on everything else your class does seems obviously way too much, especially given how limited you are in 'everything else' just to have the eidolon at all.
Just the action cost to go in and out of synthesis makes it rather prohibitive to even attempt janky things in play.
I think that's a general issue with the conduit cantrips themselves.That might not be enough. Having to spend 1 action / turn to compete in melee and not having a fourth action might make them not competitive option compared to martial classes. I would be more in favor of getting the bonus given by Boost Eidolon if you're merged with your eidolon (I assume synthesis would be a class path and not a feat).Honestly, the easiest change to synthesis is to allow the combined creature to cast conduit spells and self targeting spells from the summoner's spells known, using the summoner's slots.
And that any effect on the summoner migrates to the new combined creature.
I think an easy fix is to treat the Summoner like an Intelligent Item while using synthesis by allowing them to do non-physical actions. Add in the ability to ignore casting components [replace with Concentrate] for spells targeting the Eidolon and it seems workable.
This allows the summoner to do things like Recall Knowledge, which they can't do otherwise, and support with Summoner Cantrips. It just seems really sad that the Summoner in synthesis can't even Recall things as-is.
I like the concept behind Dual Studies, but it doesn't feel right as a class feat. I would like to see it worked into your initial proficiencies. Maybe a summoner-specific skill feat.
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Considering the sheer number of abuses of the synthesist archetype in PF1 I'm pretty okay with Synthesis being a thing that a character would do purely for the aesthetics of it, and not for any sort of mechanical efficiency.
I would be 100% fine if this were how it worked. It being on par with a normal Eidolon is the goal, frankly.
At the moment, it's much, much, worse than that. At the moment, going Synthesis as a primary combat style is mechanically a lot like playing a Barbarian and never raging. You can do it, it's even good very occasionally, but it is a terrible life choice well over 90% of the time. It is actively bad and not viable.
Having the Feat can be fine for the specific cases in which t is useful (mostly non-combat stuff), but its use as a primary combat style is not remotely viable.
Considering the sheer number of abuses of the synthesist archetype in PF1 I'm pretty okay with Synthesis being a thing that a character would do purely for the aesthetics of it, and not for any sort of mechanical efficiency.
I agree, but I'd like it to specify that you use the physical, not mental, statistics of the eidolon so you don't become worse at will save and mental skill checks during synthesis.
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As a summoner, the normal turn would go: 1a - Boost, 1b - eidolon attacks twice (2), 3 - Reinforce. Act Together bundles the Boost with the first attack, which is nice.
As a summoner, the normal turn would go: 1a - Boost, 1b - eidolon attacks twice (2), 3 - Reinforce. Act Together bundles the Boost with the first attack, which is nice.
LOL looks eerily familiar unless movement was required. ;)
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As a summoner, the normal turn would go: 1a - Boost, 1b - eidolon attacks twice (2), 3 - Reinforce. Act Together bundles the Boost with the first attack, which is nice.
This sounds like monk ki strike, flurry, raise shield.
Blech. Not what I want in a summoner. I want more of an offensive power house than a tank. Give me more barbarian than monk.
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As a summoner, the normal turn would go: 1a - Boost, 1b - eidolon attacks twice (2), 3 - Reinforce. Act Together bundles the Boost with the first attack, which is nice.
This is similar to my experience. My issue with the Summoner was largely that the summoner itself basically wants actions in one-action packages (to work with Act Together), so I have very little interesting to do that's not "move" or "math boost for your Eidolon".
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Additionally, one thing I would like to see- all Eidolons should have at least one activity or action they can perform as part of their combat routine outside of the normal "strike, stride, step" trifecta.
Beast and Dragon Eidolons start with one, and get more later, but the Phantom only gets a reaction and the Angel just has passive abilities until 17th level when it gets innate spells.
It can be something that's shared between all Eidolons, giving Eidolons more stuff, or through evolutions but I want something to do with an Eidolon's actions that aren't plain old strikes or moving.