Hi Tim, like last issue, would it be possible to know how many submissions there are per category at this point?
Definitely curious as both submissions by me have led to a bit of silence, and very new to the process so not sure if this is expected or a sign of rejection/being buried.
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Definitely curious as both submissions by me have led to a bit of silence, and very new to the process so not sure if this is expected or a sign of rejection/being buried.Hi Tim, like last issue, would it be possible to know how many submissions there are per category at this point?
No, we got them just fine, Riobux. I am usually pretty quiet until the last 30 days as to the current state of submissions, as most people don't even start writing until the last month.
If you are ever worried or concerned if we got your submissions or not, ask here or follow up with an email.
Lastly, we don't review submissions for accept/reject until after the close of the call, when we give all articles equal attention.
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Hi Tim, like last issue, would it be possible to know how many submissions there are per category at this point?
Still fairly early, with 36 days until the close, but I just counted them up, and we have 16 submitted articles so far.
Advice - 1
Bestiary - 2
Class - 3
New Rules/Crunch - 2
Fiction - 3
Flavor - 2 (one quite literally)
Gazetteer - 1
Poetry - 1
Side Trek Seeds - 1
Lacking right now?
Weal or Woe
Equipment/magic items
Also, we don't have a Side Trek Adventure author lined up yet.
What's that? How do you land the Side Trek Adventure slot? If you think you've got something good that will fit a 4500 word short adventure, paired with (and based on) a 1500 word Weal or Woe, and maybe a 600 word monster, send your pitch. But, I'd first advise you to check out past Wayfinder issues and the side treks in those, to get an idea of the format, and just how much you can do in 6 pages.
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No, we got them just fine, Riobux. I am usually pretty quiet until the last 30 days as to the current state of submissions, as most people don't even start writing until the last month.If you are ever worried or concerned if we got your submissions or not, ask here or follow up with an email.
Lastly, we don't review submissions for accept/reject until after the close of the call, when we give all articles equal attention.
Oh, phew! I can live with the review not happening until after it closes, just was curious in case it needed to be spruced up in some way.
Lacking right now?
Weal or Woe
I had actually been toying with a Weal or Woe idea based in the Gravelands as the third submission. Considering that's lacking, I might gun for it.
Well I am glad I checked up on this thread, it inspired me to write a third piece for submission. Moreover, I would be lying if the possibility of submitting to the Side Trek Adventure was not tempting! I think I will get my pitch ready.
So its all PFS2 this year?
So its all PFS2 this year?Not PFS... never PFS. We can't touch Society play. Nothing we'd do would be legal.
Now, if you meant PF2, as in 2nd Edition....yes. Issue 21 is all 2nd Edition Pathfinder RPG.
yeah sorry, after 5 stars and 4 novas that S is a muscle reflex...
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For stat blocks, how would you like us to indicate action symbols? Should we use the PF2e font, use a code like [1] or [A], something else?
Ah, good question.
Yes [A], [AA], [AAA], [F], and [R] are the text symbols to use.
We will get some icons in there to replace them in layout.
Bugger. I just used more-than (i.e. >) symbols to indicate actions. I don't think there were any actions that weren't just single actions.
Bugger. I just used more-than (i.e. >) symbols to indicate actions. I don't think there were any actions that weren't just single actions.Should be OK, as long as you indicated what the symbols represent!
...Oh no. The only hope I have is the context lending some clue.
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Based off of previous years, Wayfinder doesn't choose which articles to accept until after the submission deadline, so they definitely still have space for monster articles. Plus, based off of Timitus' last post they've only received 2-3 so far.
Give it a shot, CorvusMask!
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If in doubt, go for it! If it's an idea you really dig, then you're bound to do something awesome within the category which I think is what counts. I think the hardest submission for me to write was when I was (happily mind, like I work best bouncing off things or working with an expectation in mind) specifically writing to an unpicked category based on the last count. I think Timitus would prefer just great content, and based on the theme of Tar-Baphon I think monsters would be a fantastic fit.
That said, sorry if I'm accidentally putting words in people's mouths.
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TWO WEEKS LEFT in our Open Call for Submissions!
I just counted them up, and we have 29 submitted articles so far.
Advice - 1
Bestiary - 2
Class - 4
New Rules/Crunch - 4
Equipment/magic items - 1
Fiction - 3
Flavor - 2
Games - 2
Gazetteer - 2
Poetry - 1
Side Trek Seeds - 4
Weal or Woe - 3
The categories that are still too low right now are the Bestiary and Magic Items. Our bestiary section of an issue typically is about 10-12 monsters. Magic items usually account for 4-6 pages of material, and we often group the really solid items together into a multi-author article if we get enough submissions.
All other categories are fair game too, though. I'd love to see 60+ submissions. 80 would be awesome.
The bottom line here is that we need a good number of submissions to make a solid issue. A typical 80 page issue has about 45 submissions accepted. Not every submission we get is publishable. Some articles are also too similar to use both. Some, unfortunately, are flawed mechanically, or grammatically, and would take too much time and effort to correct/rewrite. So, the more submissions we get, the better the issue is, because we have a greater pool of articles to select from, both in terms of quality and variety.
So, in short, write it and submit it.
Question about the short adventure: Does this count as 2 submissions? I have, essentially, 4 things: A monster, a fiction piece, a side trek seed and its connected weal or woe. The side trek seed and weal or woe can stand on their own, so I don't mind them being 2 submissions, I'm just curious.
Do you send a reply email acknowledging receipt of the submission?
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Question about the short adventure: Does this count as 2 submissions? I have, essentially, 4 things: A monster, a fiction piece, a side trek seed and its connected weal or woe. The side trek seed and weal or woe can stand on their own, so I don't mind them being 2 submissions, I'm just curious.
First, we are not accepting the side trek adventure as a submission. This is a bigger deal that we require authors to "pitch" their idea to us. It is not a side trek seed, as it must be more detailed than that.
Finally, the pitch must be selected by us and greenlit by us before you even start it. We will not accept fully written side trek adventures on October 31st. It will have its own deadline, due sometime in December probably.
This does not prevent you from independently submitting a Weal or Woe, a monster, magic items, or a side trek seed for the Open Call.
Keep in mind that any submitted articles that cannot stand independently on their own (being dependent on another submitted article to make sense or be used) is violating our guidelines, and will be grounds for rejection.
Hence, the reason for the need for our approval to write the side trek adventure....because we are asking for you to specifically write the pieces.
Question about the short adventure: Does this count as 2 submissions? I have, essentially, 4 things: A monster, a fiction piece, a side trek seed and its connected weal or woe. The side trek seed and weal or woe can stand on their own, so I don't mind them being 2 submissions, I'm just curious.First, we are not accepting the side trek adventure as a submission. This is a bigger deal that we require authors to "pitch" their idea to us. It is not a side trek seed, as it must be more detailed than that.
Finally, the pitch must be selected by us and greenlit by us before you even start it. We will not accept fully written side trek adventures on October 31st. It will have its own deadline, due sometime in December probably.
This does not prevent you from independently submitting a Weal or Woe, a monster, magic items, or a side trek seed for the Open Call.
Keep in mind that any submitted articles that cannot stand independently on their own (being dependent on another submitted article to make sense or be used) is violating our guidelines, and will be grounds for rejection.
Hence, the reason for the need for our approval to write the side trek adventure....because we are asking for you to specifically write the pieces.
Thanks for the clarification! I'll focus on my Weal or Woe instead!
I started a Discord for those looking to submit. I'm going to try and get an actual workshop started, but I need to know interest!
https://discord.gg/tXBJWC
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I think I said it already in other discord ye posted that link to, but I'm not sure I want to commit to workshop right now since I'm not sure if I have time to finish my idea or not :' D I mean its not super duper special idea(as in I don't think it has mechanics that are new or unfamiliar), but I'm kinda busy with writing course related stuff so I don't know if I'll make it in time. I do hope I do...
...Ya know what I'm today super sleep deprived since I woke up after sleeping for four hours at 3 am and couldn't fall asleep again. And my past experience is that I'm able to finish my writing course writing when I'm sleep deprived so might as well try it out if it applies monsters too xP
From the first post:
A hard target word count of 750 words does not apply to bestiary entries. See the Pathfinder RPG Bestiary or Bestiary 2 for examples of proper formatting and content.)
Question for multiple submissions:
Is it better to send in one email with multiple files, or separate emails for each individual submission?
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Oki, update on my sleep deprivation writing:
Got it to 475 words and that is before spell check. Hopefully its not too short of entry... Though still kinda nervous about asking feedback for it
CaelibDarkstone has the right of it. 2E monster stat blocks can be short sometimes!
I've got an Of Chance and Skill entry that just needs another editing pass or two before I submit.
I have a fair amount of time in the next week, so I'll try to come up with a bestiary/gear entry.
And 2 submissions sent that I finally found time for today. Hopefully they're good enough to make it, though I'll readily admit that they're on a much shorter notice than I'd have liked, due to being busy.
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Hi there,
Apologies for it being so close to the line but I've been hard at work and am very nearly finished!I was wondering whether a submission for a full heritage that included multiple feat choices at each level and the accompanying foreword/fluff would be considered the same submission for word count purposes?
I'm having a bit of trouble trimming it down to meet 1500 words without flat out removing feats or getting rid of parts of the foreword to meet the format printed in the current books.
Thanks for your help!
If your foreword/flavor text and the full heritage content are reliant on each other, and cannot stand alone, then that is a violation of one of our guidelines. They should be in the same article. This means that you will have some hard choices to make to bring the word count down to around 1500 words. Condensing the intro text down to the minimum, simplifying the text in the feats....these are the obvious places to hit first.
AND WHILE WE ARE ON THE SUBJECT....
You might be wondering why we have a guideline that prohibits related articles (without prior approval). Early on in Wayfinder, authors that found the word counts too limiting decided to write their submissions in two or more parts, turning them in as separate submissions. What this did is force us to accept BOTH parts, even if we only liked one. It was also side stepping the word count requirements entirely, which is a HUGE part of freelancing, honestly. If you can't write succinctly enough to hit the word count, then your work is going to get chopped up and redone by the developer. And they won't be happy about it.
In your case, let's say we really like the heritage article, but the flavor text is just not to our liking. If the heritage just doesn't make sense without the flavor text, or it's unable to stand on its own without the flavor text (many references to the flavor text) then we are forced to take both, and then spend a LOT of time helping you rewrite the flavor text, which would have normally been rejected.
Therefore, if we see this kind of thing, it throws up a red flag immediately, and we have a discussion on how badly it violates the guideline, and whether to auto-reject it, or whether we can keep one or both of the submissions if we like them. More often than not, we auto reject them on violating the guideline.
The way we side stepped this was to have authors ask us (and ask EARLY) on whether such a submission could have a larger word count (so 2250 or 3000 words). In earlier issues, we did grant 3000 word counts for fiction pieces, and large concept articles that were pitched to us first, early in the Open Call. However, we stressed that allowance of a large word count DID NOT guarantee being selected. In some cases, we rejected those submissions, and it caused a lot of bad feelings, some that were publicly aired against us. As a result, we discontinued the practice.
I would be open to doing this again, since we have started a new edition. However, we are much too late in THIS open call to allow it. Perhaps for Wayfinder #22.... if we DO decide to, we will clearly indicate it in the guidelines.
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LESS THAN ONE WEEK LEFT in our Open Call for Submissions!
I just counted them up, and we have 38 submitted articles so far.
Advice - 1
Bestiary - 9
Class - 4
New Rules/Crunch - 4
Equipment/magic items - 1
Fiction - 4
Flavor - 2
Games - 2
Gazetteer - 2
Poetry - 1
Side Trek Seeds - 4
Weal or Woe - 4
Light on nearly all categories still, much so on Magic items, Flavor, Gazetteers.
Remember, deadline is October 31 at 11:59 PM Pacific.
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That makes a lot of sense! I'm totally happy with this as a guideline. I think I just misread its intention and I wanted to clarify. I definitely don't want to cause any problems for you or bring up previous frustrations so I apologise for doing so. I will start trimming! :)
No problem at all, Dave. Happy to answer the question and provide clarification.
It was also a good opportunity to point out the "pre-approval" clause in the guideline, so that if you have a good idea that we like, and that we'd like to see you submit (again, NOT guaranteed), we can give it a shot. The key is doing it early in the Call.
As you might have gathered, there is never a simple answer to things when putting together a Wayfinder. But we really do try to give folks a good experience and a fair shot.
Normally, the entries were supposed to be new, but as it is for second edition, will you accept 2nd edition rendition of 1st edition monster that I published on my blog?
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Normally, the entries were supposed to be new, but as it is for second edition, will you accept 2nd edition rendition of 1st edition monster that I published on my blog?
Keep in mind that Paizo has a good likelihood to get around to converting 1E monsters in a future bestiary book. That would result in your conversion becoming obsolete at that point.
I think it would be OK if you submit it to Wayfinder, but my tendency will be to favor new creations before conversions, just because of what Wayfinder is. If the conversion is one of those that requires a bit of creativity to bring it over (with some new takes on an old favorite) to the 2nd Edition, that would garner additional favor.
Not going to discourage submissions though. Go for it!
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Normally, the entries were supposed to be new, but as it is for second edition, will you accept 2nd edition rendition of 1st edition monster that I published on my blog?Keep in mind that Paizo has a good likelihood to get around to converting 1E monsters in a future bestiary book. That would result in your conversion becoming obsolete at that point.
You seem to be confused. He's not talking about converting Paizo PF1 monsters. Take a look at his website.
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Biggest challenge now is figuring out which category to submit to. Have Beasts, Items, and Classes/Ancestries in mind. Do I do one of each? Roll some into a Side Trek pitch? So many options!
Edit: Actually, as I'm digging into it, what sort of format does a Side Trek Adventure Pitch need to be in? Unsure how much detail to provide, at the moment it is just a 150 word overview.
Refer to a previous issue of Wayfinder for reference. They consist of a Plot Hook, Backstory, and Potential Resolutions.
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Normally, the entries were supposed to be new, but as it is for second edition, will you accept 2nd edition rendition of 1st edition monster that I published on my blog?Keep in mind that Paizo has a good likelihood to get around to converting 1E monsters in a future bestiary book. That would result in your conversion becoming obsolete at that point.You seem to be confused. He's not talking about converting Paizo PF1 monsters. Take a look at his website.
1E as in AD&D 1E? I have no problem with it unless it's not OGL or otherwise legal or permissible for us to publish it.
What I want to avoid is having to spend a lot of time researching the copyrights and permissions of said creature, so that we don't get sued.
So, don't submit anything that could get us in trouble.