What did Tar-Baphon look like when he was alive?


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Every single picture I can find of him shows his lich form. Are there ANY pictures (or even a physical description) of him before he died?


He was a human of the Kellid ethnicity, according to Pathfinder Wiki.

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Darth Game Master wrote:
He was a human of the Kellid ethnicity, according to Pathfinder Wiki.

Which says exactly nothing about what he looked like.

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zimmerwald1915 wrote:
Darth Game Master wrote:
He was a human of the Kellid ethnicity, according to Pathfinder Wiki.
Which says exactly nothing about what he looked like.

Well he had Kellid ethnicity at least.

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We've never illustrated a pre-dead Tar-Baphon. Maybe some day we will, but no plans to do so anytime soon.


zimmerwald1915 wrote:
Darth Game Master wrote:
He was a human of the Kellid ethnicity, according to Pathfinder Wiki.
Which says exactly nothing about what he looked like.

Obviously, they don't all look the same, but it narrows it down to an ancestry at least. They probably already knew he was human but I figured it was worth mentioning in case they didn't.

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So, What If Conan had chosen spells rather than swords ends up in Tar-Baphon?

Totally my headcanon from now on.

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Regardless of canon, if my players ever need to know what Tar-Baphon looked like before he got liched, I'll show them a picture of Erik Mona.

Done.

-Skeld


The Whispering Tyrant has wished away all images of his former living self, because he cares nothing about the living and that life was just a stepping stone to the true power of lichdom.

It would be interesting to see what he looked like before he became a lich. I'm curious.

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Dosgamer wrote:

The Whispering Tyrant has wished away all images of his former living self, because he cares nothing about the living and that life was just a stepping stone to the true power of lichdom.

It would be interesting to see what he looked like before he became a lich. I'm curious.

After reading about him and his mindset in Tyrant's Grasp, I've visualized him as Mr. Torgue.


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Mr.Torgue? I can not unsee it now. Or unthink. EXPLOOOOOSIONS! GUITAR SOLO!
THAT SENTENCE HAD TOO MANY SYLLABLES! APOLOGIZE!

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”You may have noticed that everyone here is trying to kill you, Whispering Way cultists included. YOU'RE WELCOME. I didn't want you to get bored so I was like, F&$$ it, give everybody wands! We lost like half our workforce in three days, but who gives a F@*#!?"

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"MY HAND MAKES THINGS F***ING EXPLODE!!"

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This sounds antithetical to his self-proclaimed moniker of WHISPERING Tyrant...

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Archpaladin Zousha wrote:
This sounds antithetical to his self-proclaimed moniker of WHISPERING Tyrant...

He began to whisper only once lichdom took his voicebox and replaced it with magic. He seems godhood so that he may recover this part of himself that he has lost, and took the title to remind himself of that goal down through the centuries.

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Archpaladin Zousha wrote:
This sounds antithetical to his self-proclaimed moniker of WHISPERING Tyrant...

"OH CRAP I'M NOT WHISPERING ANYMORE MY BAD."


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Archpaladin Zousha wrote:
This sounds antithetical to his self-proclaimed moniker of WHISPERING Tyrant...

Perhaps because that is him whispering^^

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James Jacobs wrote:
We've never illustrated a pre-dead Tar-Baphon. Maybe some day we will, but no plans to do so anytime soon.

Now i'm imagining an Adventure Path where one is thrown back in time and meets all these luminaries back in the day, but have to NOT kill Tar-Baphon

Much like a homebrew game we played where we met future gods and knew one of them would be responsible for a genocide but had been told in no uncertain terms we were not allowed to mess with the timeline.

But one of our party members ended up killing the original Asmodeus and taking his place in history. Ooops.


I think that would be pretty frustrating to have to just tiptoe around and not be able to do anything. Better to be able to say, use the past knowledge to make the future batter(Say burying a cache of supplies to help refugees)

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Yeah, time traveling and then having to let or help horrible things happen just because of "spooky time rules ooga booga booga" would just piss everybody off.

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We did not as a party tip toe around, and it was a lot of fun even with people saying "careful now". It is all about balance and our GM being quite excellent.

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What did Tar-Baphon look like when he was alive?

Willem Dafoe.

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I'd settle for a "vision quest to the past" that can't quite change the past, but does give you insights into "what really happened" aka "where the bodies are buried". And then go back into Tar-Baphon's human days to find out something about who he was before, that might give an edge.


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Michael Sayre wrote:
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What did Tar-Baphon look like when he was alive?
Willem Dafoe.

Np, they want to know what he looked like when he was ALIVE.

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Gisher wrote:
Michael Sayre wrote:
Quote:
What did Tar-Baphon look like when he was alive?
Willem Dafoe.
Np, they want to know what he looked like when he was ALIVE.

You may be overestimating how deleterious the transformation into a lich actually was for li'l Baphy. Remember, he perfected a technique found in the Cynotaph, likely originally created by Zutha, for his transformation, and Zutha just got a little grayer and rheumy after transforming.


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Michael Sayre wrote:
Gisher wrote:
Michael Sayre wrote:
Quote:
What did Tar-Baphon look like when he was alive?
Willem Dafoe.
Np, they want to know what he looked like when he was ALIVE.
You may be overestimating how deleterious the transformation into a lich actually was for li'l Baphy. Remember, he perfected a technique found in the Cynotaph, likely originally created by Zutha, for his transformation, and Zutha just got a little grayer and rheumy after transforming.

I was thinking of Dafoe in Daybreakers. Vampire Dafoe, not lich Dafoe but close. Thanks for the link to Zutha. I didn't know anything about him. Pretty creepy.


There is a picture of Aroden fighting Tar-Baphon in Mythic Realms, but it deosn't help, as it incorrectly depicts Tar-Baphon in his lich form.


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Maybe it is accurate, and he always looked like that. Or he was going through a Goth phase.

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Mudfoot wrote:
Maybe it is accurate, and he always looked like that. Or he was going through a Goth phase.

He has wish, he can look however he wants.


Rysky wrote:
zimmerwald1915 wrote:
Darth Game Master wrote:
He was a human of the Kellid ethnicity, according to Pathfinder Wiki.
Which says exactly nothing about what he looked like.
Well he had Kellid ethnicity at least.

So I'm basically picturing black Irish then.


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I'M NOTICING A DISTINCT LACK OF EXPLOSIONS ON THIS THREAD!! UNACCEPTABLE!


Can someone explain how he's like Mr.Torgue? I've played the Borderlands games but I must just not be getting the joke.

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Yqatuba wrote:
Can someone explain how he's like Mr.Torgue? I've played the Borderlands games but I must just not be getting the joke.

His characterization and actions in Tyrant’s Grasp is very reminiscent of Mr. Torgue.


I guess I don't see it. If he reminds me of anybody I'd say Apocalypse from the X-men as he's a really evil and ancient guy who has tried to take over the world multiple times despite millenia of effort to wipe him out.

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It’s explosions being his answer for anything.


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He is not someone, who you would call subtile.

I am always reminded to a degree of Xykon of Order of the Stick.

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