Question about Zadim's power


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One of his power states "You may recharge a card to examine the top card of your location deck".

Is it allowed to use it multiple times during his turn, even if the top card stays same? (In order to cycle his deck more effectively)


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Absolutely


Are you sure? It sounds broken and abusable mechanic if he is able to refresh his hand all time at the end of his turn. For example, in WOTR hero Alain could refresh certain boons only. Moreover, Zadim's ability states "... a card ..." which kind of implies he can use the power once only?


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He is great at examining and manipulating his deck. However, note that you don't get to draw when you recharge a card. So, pending doing nothing else, you can recharge each card in your hand by repeatedly examining the top of your location. Aside from certain specific boons and location powers, card draw typically only happens at the end of your turn when you reset your hand.

I'd love to hear more about why you think this is broken or abusable!


To clarify, Zadim can use his power on anyone's turn - not just his own turn.

If another character is at his location, Zadim can examine the location before the other character explores. If the character doesn't like what they see, they can move elsewhere to explore.

But as stated, Zadim only resets his hand at the end of his own turn. So if he recharges on everyone else's turn, he won't have many cards left his own turn. Which is sometimes fine, and sometimes not.


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However you cannot use this power during an encounter for example. So you cannot avoid taking damage by recharging...


eddiephlash wrote:


I'd love to hear more about why you think this is broken or abusable!

Well, it makes him to cycle his deck too effectively. Zadim has other very strong power to recharge weapon to get combat bonus, which usually defeats any bane. He is not able to use that power often because the weapon is recharged. But allowing him to cycle his deck by using his peek power will grant him another weapon very soon for the next turns. You could even determine the sequence of recharging, so you are able to know your next cards you will soon draw. Therefore, his rare combat power becomes very common so that all banes becomes trivial.

Also, I believe that game designers intended that the purpose of his peeking power is to examine the top card (and not deck cycling). Repeating this power even if the top card is known doesn't make much sense because we already know it.

But if it is really allowed, then fine. It can make the game much easier.


carinita wrote:
For example, in WOTR hero Alain could refresh certain boons only.

Funny that you'd mention WotR as a counterpoint. I don't assume you have the add-on deck, with the huntress Adowyin inside? You'd be shocked...

Point is, deck-cycling is a perfectly valid mechanic, of which the designers are aware. There were exactly the same threads about Adowyn back then, but one person's "trivializing" is another person's "fun" so there you go. You can always home-rule your Zadim to be able to examine only unknown cards if you prefer (of course, as you observe, then your weapon recharge power will take a hit in usability, so it's almost as if the designers intended those two to synergize :)


Alright, I have another question about Zadim. This time it is about revealing card and recharging the same card at the same time.

Zadim's strength skill is d8 and stealth skill is d8+2.

One of Zadim's power states "You may discard (☐ or recharge) a weapon that does not have the 2-Handed trait to add your Stealth skill to a combat check by a character at your location."

He encounters monster and he has just one weapon Kukri (this is not 2-handed) that states "For your combat check, reveal this card to use your Strength or Melee skill + 1d4."

Now he would like to reveal Kukri and use his hero power to discard (☐ or recharge) this Kukri. Therefore, he would roll d8+d4+d8+2.

Is this allowed? Or does he actually need to recharge another weapon? (It is little confusing because his power requires that weapon is not 2-handed so having just single 1-handed weapon is not enough? Also, looking at the hero art he is a dualwielder, so we would assume he need to be using two weapons so that he can "throw" the other weapon into enemy)


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carinita wrote:

Alright, I have another question about Zadim. This time it is about revealing card and recharging the same card at the same time.

Zadim's strength skill is d8 and stealth skill is d8+2.

One of Zadim's power states "You may discard (☐ or recharge) a weapon that does not have the 2-Handed trait to add your Stealth skill to a combat check by a character at your location."

He encounters monster and he has just one weapon Kukri (this is not 2-handed) that states "For your combat check, reveal this card to use your Strength or Melee skill + 1d4."

Now he would like to reveal Kukri and use his hero power to discard (☐ or recharge) this Kukri. Therefore, he would roll d8+d4+d8+2.

Is this allowed? Or does he actually need to recharge another weapon? (It is little confusing because his power requires that weapon is not 2-handed so having just single 1-handed weapon is not enough? Also, looking at the hero art he is a dualwielder, so we would assume he need to be using two weapons so that he can "throw" the other weapon into enemy)

Yep, it is allowed. You reveal the card to determine your combat check. Since it is just a reveal, it is still in your hand, so you can now discard or recharge it to get the Stealth bonus. I do this quite a bit with my Zadim.


My understanding is you can recharge as much as you want as long as there is a card to examine.

I tend to agree with Skizzerz in that same thread. Feels a bit cheesy for me. As written though you absolutely can.

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