Just had a question. Say I have a barbarian, and at level 2 he decides to take Wizard Dedication. At level 4 he takes Basic Wizard Spell casting. How many level 1 spells would be be able to cast? Then once he gains some levels let's say, would he get any more level 1 spells? Or would he need to take more Wizard feats?
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Just had a question. Say I have a barbarian, and at level 2 he decides to take Wizard Dedication. At level 4 he takes Basic Wizard Spell casting. How many level 1 spells would be be able to cast? Then once he gains some levels let's say, would he get any more level 1 spells? Or would he need to take more Wizard feats?
Spellcasting Archetypes: Core Rulebook pg. 219
"Basic Spellcasting Feat: Available at 4th level, these feats grant a 1st-level spell slot. At 6th level, they grant you a 2nd-level spell slot, and if you have a spell repertoire, you can select one spell from your repertoire as a signature spell. At 8th level, they grant you a 3rd-level spell slot. Archetypes refer to these benefits as the “basic spellcasting benefits.”"
So at 4th you have 1 1st level slot. At 6th, you have 1 2nd level slot and at 8th you have 1 3rd level slot.
Expert Spellcasting Feat will get you a 4th, 5th and 6th level slot and Master Spellcasting Feat will get you a 7th and 8th level slot when you get the character levels needed.
As to your question about getting more 1st level slots, you need Arcane Breadth for that: "Increase the spell slots you gain from wizard archetype feats by 1 for each spell level other than your two highest spell levels."
Piggybacking on this ...
With a spontaneous caster, how many spells does the character know?
(A wizard, at least, can add spells to his/her/their book.)
One per spell slot. Signature spells gained as listed in the Spellcasting Archetype rules (one when you get your 2nd level slot, one when you get your 4th level slot, one when you get your 7th level slot).
Which makes the point that spontaneous casters have a significant limit as multiclass choice. This much smaller pool of spells really reduces their value.
Which makes the point that spontaneous casters have a significant limit as multiclass choice. This much smaller pool of spells really reduces their value.
I agree, you probably wouldn't ever choose the dedication to a spontaneous caster class due to how this works, but I could see maybe a situation where you really wanted a sorcerer class feat and intended to get it via Blood Potency.
I'm not sure if there are any feats that make it worth it, to get such poor spell access but it's possible.
It's also possible you simply don't have the requisite ability score for a prepared caster dedication but want to add casting capability.
So given no restrictions I agree you would probably choose a prepared dedication. But there are restrictions.
Spontaneous spellcasting archetypes also unlock all of the spellcasting items such as scrolls.
Which is the main reason that I think the balance point for it should be that you do in fact need the additional feats in order to get them. Like the CRB says. Rather than getting the ability to use level 20 scrolls with nothing other than the dedication.
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Which makes the point that spontaneous casters have a significant limit as multiclass choice. This much smaller pool of spells really reduces their value.I agree, you probably wouldn't ever choose the dedication to a spontaneous caster class due to how this works, but I could see maybe a situation where you really wanted a sorcerer class feat and intended to get it via Blood Potency.
I'm not sure if there are any feats that make it worth it, to get such poor spell access but it's possible.
It's also possible you simply don't have the requisite ability score for a prepared caster dedication but want to add casting capability.
So given no restrictions I agree you would probably choose a prepared dedication. But there are restrictions.
My wife's rogue with scoundrel racket and Sorcerer Dedication with red draconic bloodline does quite well in my PF2-converted Ironfang Invasion campaign. However, she was interested in the bloodline abilities much more than the spell slots. She has made effective combat use of two arcane cantrips and the rogue Magical Trickster feat, thanks to the other rogue in the party with Precise Debilitation to make foes flat-footed to everybody. She took Basic Sorcerer Spellcasting to use looted wands and scrolls, because she was the only arcane caster in the party and using the items was better than selling them. The three slotted spells sometimes were handy. She plans on Expert Sorcerer Spellcasting at 16th level mostly for expert proficiency in spellcasting to make better attack rolls with her cantrips.
Essentally, she is playing a Magical Trickster rogue rather than a Sorcerer Multiclass. Sorcerer fit better with the character's high Charisma, selected for Deception skill.
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Great example Mathmuse. The goal wasn't really to be a caster, but to get access to wands and scrolls and bloodline abilities. For that purpose, spontaneous caster can be good.
If you were in it solely for the spells, you'd probably want to look elsewhere.
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She took Basic Sorcerer Spellcasting to use looted wands and scrolls, because she was the only arcane caster in the party and using the items was better than selling them.
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Side Note: Basic Spellcasting is no longer necessary to use wands and scrolls. The dedication feat grants that ability.
That depends on what you consider valid errata.
The CRB still very much states explicitly that the Basic Spellcasting feat is required.
My champion dedicated sorcerer is absolutely tearing it up in Agents of Edgewatch with fleet step, invisibility, and illusory disguise (3rd).