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One thing I'm hoping to hear is what people think about the Glossary and Index (Glossdex!) at the back of the book.

One of the challenges with setting content in first edition was just how much of it was a slurry of proper nouns. If you didn't know the setting already or didn't know where to look, you would read a name without any further context, which could make it hard to get the overall picture of things going on.

With the Lost Omens line, we're hoping to make things a bit easier to comprehend. Unlike the Glossdex in the Core Rulebook or Bestiary, the Glossdex in LOWG is designed to provide a bit further context to things within the book. There are lots of proper nouns that we don't have space to explain in the text proper, so where we could, we bring them up in the Glossdex! We're hoping that the Glossdex makes the books a little more standalone, or at least standalone enough that you can use them for campaigns without worrying about having to reference a dozen other pieces of material.

I'd love to hear peoples' thoughts on how successful the Glossdexes are so we can tweak them to serve readers better going forward.

Sovereign Court

My copy is still on pre-order. Can I assume this is called the "Lost Omens World Guide" instead of the "Inner Sea World Guide" because it will also be exploring Golarion beyond the Inner Sea region?

Does the inclusion of lizardfolk as a playable Ancestry in LOWG imply that we will be getting more information about the southern parts of the continent of Garund?


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The Diplomat wrote:

My copy is still on pre-order. Can I assume this is called the "Lost Omens World Guide" instead of the "Inner Sea World Guide" because it will also be exploring Golarion beyond the Inner Sea region?

Does the inclusion of lizardfolk as a playable Ancestry in LOWG imply that we will be getting more information about the southern parts of the continent of Garund?

I think it’s because Lost Omens is the name of the campaign setting going forward, and is the branding for this subscription. See also: Lost Omens Gods & Magic.

I asked a friend who had it, and they said that Arcadia and Tian Xia both had a paragraph or so.

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In general though, Age of Lost Omens is what people from Inner Sea region call the current age <_<

Sooo yeah, it was never going to have all of Golarion in one book.


Is there information about the planes?

Shadow Lodge

How's the map of the Inner Sea?


Question for anyone who has it: what went down in Usaro, and are the orcs in the region named? Any details you can spare about the Vidrian revolution would be a treat, too.


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Now that it’s out to everyone (and that I have it!), I’d love to see this thread take off.

I think it’s interesting that Arazni isn’t called out as dead, and that she still has followers among the Knights of Lastwall. Makes me wonder if Tyrant’s Grasp wasn’t done yet when this was written or if she isn’t really gone?

Silver Crusade

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*gasp*


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Interesting to see that the people of Senghor thing they’re descended from some ancient group within the Expanse, given that we now know they’re originally Arcadian.

Silver Crusade

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Interesting.

And going back to Arazni it would be the former, but they probably had a list of important events outlined. If I were to guess they decided to leave it a mystery since that leaves a lot of potential, they can always at a later point have a product declare her dead-dead.

I've always been interested in an "Evil" AP focusing on her, TG didn't have enough for my tastes, helping her recover her organs and how interactions with group plays out (closer to Casandalee in Iron Gods rather than Sorshen in Return of the Runelords) would be a lot of fun I think.


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zimmerwald1915 wrote:
How's the map of the Inner Sea?

I really like it - it's a two sided poster map, but at the moment, best I can tell, it's two different styled versions of the same Inner Sea area. Covers from just above the Saga and Broken Lands down to just past the Impossible Lands.


Luis Loza wrote:

One thing I'm hoping to hear is what people think about the Glossary and Index (Glossdex!) at the back of the book.

...

I'd love to hear peoples' thoughts on how successful the Glossdexes are so we can tweak them to serve readers better going forward.

Well, I was pleased to see the "Glossdex" in the World Guide. Still tbd on its use for the World Guide specifically, but I've gotten very good use out of the one in the Core Rulebook. I'm a fan.


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Darth Game Master wrote:
Is there information about the planes?

Briefly - page 10 is pretty much an overview of the various planes (Astral, Elemental, Energy, etc.). Each gets a sentence or two.

Liberty's Edge

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Looking over the stuff on Arazni, I'd say there's about a 100% chance she's still around...in the sense that she's a God. That doesn't mean she's walking around physically on Golarion any more (I'm pretty sure she's not...she's dead), but it's interesting.

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Does anyone know what specific building is in the intro for Broken Lands on page 24? It has the green runes on the entrance.


keftiu wrote:

Now that it’s out to everyone (and that I have it!), I’d love to see this thread take off.

I think it’s interesting that Arazni isn’t called out as dead, and that she still has followers among the Knights of Lastwall. Makes me wonder if Tyrant’s Grasp wasn’t done yet when this was written or if she isn’t really gone?

Why would she be gone? Sure, TB nuked her, but she's a lich, and he doesn't have her phylactery... This is what's known as a temporary setback. Did I miss something?


Interesting how most of Holomog is on the map, but none of it labeled other than the field full of statues. I suppose “Southern Garund” is relative :p

Silver Crusade

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pad300 wrote:
keftiu wrote:

Now that it’s out to everyone (and that I have it!), I’d love to see this thread take off.

I think it’s interesting that Arazni isn’t called out as dead, and that she still has followers among the Knights of Lastwall. Makes me wonder if Tyrant’s Grasp wasn’t done yet when this was written or if she isn’t really gone?

Why would she be gone? Sure, TB nuked her, but she's a lich, and he doesn't have her phylactery... This is what's known as a temporary setback. Did I miss something?

The special qualities of said nuke.

Liberty's Edge

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pad300 wrote:
keftiu wrote:

Now that it’s out to everyone (and that I have it!), I’d love to see this thread take off.

I think it’s interesting that Arazni isn’t called out as dead, and that she still has followers among the Knights of Lastwall. Makes me wonder if Tyrant’s Grasp wasn’t done yet when this was written or if she isn’t really gone?

Why would she be gone? Sure, TB nuked her, but she's a lich, and he doesn't have her phylactery... This is what's known as a temporary setback. Did I miss something?

The nuke explicitly weakened her ties to her phylactery (as she knew having been hit by it before)...and then she boosted its power instead of trying to stop it, basically committing suicide to free herself from slavery to Geb (which was necessary since he had her phylactery). That part seems to have worked (which is why she's listed as a deity in the LOWG Glossary, something I just noticed). She was also hoping to take Tar-Baphon with her (since the supercharged nuke would hit him, too, if to a lesser degree). That part didn't work as well.


Some geographic weirdness with Garund is going on. The scale of 200 miles per inch (at least in my copy) for the Golden Road is clearly wrong, and the overview calls Inner Sea Garund the northern half when it's closer to the northern quarter judging by the CRB world map.

So we really shouldn't be calling the rest of Garund southern Garund, it's more like central and southern Garund...


Actually, come to think of it, there seem to be a bunch of inconsistencies in the map scales and distances in general. It's annoying.


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Darth Game Master wrote:

Some geographic weirdness with Garund is going on. The scale of 200 miles per inch (at least in my copy) for the Golden Road is clearly wrong, and the overview calls Inner Sea Garund the northern half when it's closer to the northern quarter judging by the CRB world map.

So we really shouldn't be calling the rest of Garund southern Garund, it's more like central and southern Garund...

Hmm...

I think the terms "northern Garund" & "southern Garund" aren't meant literally.
Rather, they are used more to differentiate the section of Garund that is part of the Inner Sea region from the rest of Garund -- the latter of which has consistently been stated (on the boards & in print) as being much larger than that northern portion.

It doesn't mean that less ambiguous descriptors couldn't have been used.
That said, I don't think Paizo is being intentionally (or even accidentally) misleading in the description given...

. . .

We really do need that full world map of Golarion!
:D
<wink*wink>
;)

Carry on,

--C.

Shadow Lodge

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Full map of Golarion's in the CRB. It's small-scale, and purely topographical without regional or state boundaries of any sort, but it's there.


Psiphyre wrote:
Darth Game Master wrote:

Some geographic weirdness with Garund is going on. The scale of 200 miles per inch (at least in my copy) for the Golden Road is clearly wrong, and the overview calls Inner Sea Garund the northern half when it's closer to the northern quarter judging by the CRB world map.

So we really shouldn't be calling the rest of Garund southern Garund, it's more like central and southern Garund...

Hmm...

I think the terms "northern Garund" & "southern Garund" aren't meant literally.
Rather, they are used more to differentiate the section of Garund that is part of the Inner Sea region from the rest of Garund -- the latter of which has consistently been stated (on the boards & in print) as being much larger than that northern portion.

It doesn't mean that less ambiguous descriptors couldn't have been used.
That said, I don't think Paizo is being intentionally (or even accidentally) misleading in the description given...

. . .

We really do need that full world map of Golarion!
:D
<wink*wink>
;)

Carry on,

--C.

I'm aware that that is what southern Garund was intended to mean, and it makes sense. I was more pointing out how it doesn't really make much sense in an in-world context since I doubt the Inner Sea region would be a term used by people on Golarion. Or if it was, it would refer to the places literally bordered by the Inner Sea.

Silver Crusade

Side question here; with the costs of gear changing so much from 1e to 2e, is the Aldori Dueling Sword (pg. 28)supposed to be 20g? That was the price in 1e, and I wanted to make sure with how the currency changes have occurred if that was still the actual price.

Silver Crusade

Luis Loza wrote:

One thing I'm hoping to hear is what people think about the Glossary and Index (Glossdex!) at the back of the book.

One of the challenges with setting content in first edition was just how much of it was a slurry of proper nouns. If you didn't know the setting already or didn't know where to look, you would read a name without any further context, which could make it hard to get the overall picture of things going on.

With the Lost Omens line, we're hoping to make things a bit easier to comprehend. Unlike the Glossdex in the Core Rulebook or Bestiary, the Glossdex in LOWG is designed to provide a bit further context to things within the book. There are lots of proper nouns that we don't have space to explain in the text proper, so where we could, we bring them up in the Glossdex! We're hoping that the Glossdex makes the books a little more standalone, or at least standalone enough that you can use them for campaigns without worrying about having to reference a dozen other pieces of material.

I'd love to hear peoples' thoughts on how successful the Glossdexes are so we can tweak them to serve readers better going forward.

I like the way it's laid out, either giving solid info or a good link to a page where to find the info!

Sczarni

Still waiting for my copy to come in - is there anything on the change from a gold standard to silver standard


Not that I can see. I don't think anything changed in the setting, I think the rules just shifted the focus to silver pieces since they're more common.

Liberty's Edge

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Cpt_kirstov wrote:

Still waiting for my copy to come in - is there anything on the change from a gold standard to silver standard

No. Inasmuch as that was ever an in-world thing it's a straight retcon.

Personally, I never saw IC stuff talking specific amounts of money (making the whole thing a gameplay abstraction either way), but whether it was IC or not, there's certainly been no in-universe change.

Silver Crusade

Darth Game Master wrote:
Not that I can see. I don't think anything changed in the setting, I think the rules just shifted the focus to silver pieces since they're more common.

I know some have, longsword for example changed from 15 gold to 1 gold, while dagger just dropped from 2g to 2s, but the aldori dueling sword remains 20g. If it is staying that price, cool, just wondering!


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One thing I like about this book is that different parts of the world feel connected, which I feel the setting's creators previously struggled with given their strategy of keeping certain elements within the different regions (like nations, not the new meta-regions). The Mwangi Expanse section references how Vidrian's rise affects the politics there, and the Broken Lands one takes into account how the closing of the Worldwound and Tar-Baphon's resurgence change things, for example.

Grand Lodge

Joseph Davis wrote:
Side question here; with the costs of gear changing so much from 1e to 2e, is the Aldori Dueling Sword (pg. 28)supposed to be 20g? That was the price in 1e, and I wanted to make sure with how the currency changes have occurred if that was still the actual price.

Just watched the Friday livestream and Eleanor pretty unequivocally stated that the price was supposed to be 20sp.


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The iconic alchemist from 1e whose name eludes me can be seen on pg 5. Curious.

Just saw the first pictures of Nex and Geb (the wizards, not the nations) that I've come across, I rather like them. I also am more pumped than ever for a campaign about Nex and Geb. With Geb active and waiting for the return of Nex, I could see a campaign where you need to dispose of them. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Geb could only be finally slain after his nemesis whose relentless warfare led to his suicide was finally put to rest. And either of those ancient evils returning to global prominence would spell (pun intended) mass disaster should their ambitions rise again.

I really like the layout of 2e books taking advantage of margins, and the art for all the notable NPCs is fantastic.

Shadow Lodge

Paradozen wrote:
The iconic alchemist from 1e whose name eludes me

Daniel.


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Damiel


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Paradozen wrote:
The iconic alchemist from 1e whose name eludes me can be seen on pg 5. Curious.

They got into this on the livestream on friday. The instructions to the artist called for "the iconic alchemist" and the artist had apparently not gotten the memo that the title had passed to Fumbus now. They speculated that perhaps Fumbus had imbibed an Infiltrator's Elixir to merely *look* like Damiel.


PossibleCabbage wrote:
Paradozen wrote:
The iconic alchemist from 1e whose name eludes me can be seen on pg 5. Curious.
They got into this on the livestream on friday. The instructions to the artist called for "the iconic alchemist" and the artist had apparently not gotten the memo that the title had passed to Fumbus now. They speculated that perhaps Fumbus had imbibed an Infiltrator's Elixir to merely *look* like Damiel.

I don't see why it couldn't be Damiel (and thanks to zimmerwald1915 and Izkrael for the name). Did they murder him between editions? Or retcon him out of existence? I assumed they just stopped telling stories about him to focus on their branding.


I mean, one reason to move on from Damiel is that he's a creepy weirdo who probably works better as a villain than a hero.


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I have no problem with moving on from his story, I just don't see why any appearance of him should be assumed to be a goblin stealing his face.

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