Luis Loza Developer |
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One thing I'm hoping to hear is what people think about the Glossary and Index (Glossdex!) at the back of the book.
One of the challenges with setting content in first edition was just how much of it was a slurry of proper nouns. If you didn't know the setting already or didn't know where to look, you would read a name without any further context, which could make it hard to get the overall picture of things going on.
With the Lost Omens line, we're hoping to make things a bit easier to comprehend. Unlike the Glossdex in the Core Rulebook or Bestiary, the Glossdex in LOWG is designed to provide a bit further context to things within the book. There are lots of proper nouns that we don't have space to explain in the text proper, so where we could, we bring them up in the Glossdex! We're hoping that the Glossdex makes the books a little more standalone, or at least standalone enough that you can use them for campaigns without worrying about having to reference a dozen other pieces of material.
I'd love to hear peoples' thoughts on how successful the Glossdexes are so we can tweak them to serve readers better going forward.
The Diplomat |
My copy is still on pre-order. Can I assume this is called the "Lost Omens World Guide" instead of the "Inner Sea World Guide" because it will also be exploring Golarion beyond the Inner Sea region?
Does the inclusion of lizardfolk as a playable Ancestry in LOWG imply that we will be getting more information about the southern parts of the continent of Garund?
keftiu |
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My copy is still on pre-order. Can I assume this is called the "Lost Omens World Guide" instead of the "Inner Sea World Guide" because it will also be exploring Golarion beyond the Inner Sea region?
Does the inclusion of lizardfolk as a playable Ancestry in LOWG imply that we will be getting more information about the southern parts of the continent of Garund?
I think it’s because Lost Omens is the name of the campaign setting going forward, and is the branding for this subscription. See also: Lost Omens Gods & Magic.
I asked a friend who had it, and they said that Arcadia and Tian Xia both had a paragraph or so.
keftiu |
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Now that it’s out to everyone (and that I have it!), I’d love to see this thread take off.
I think it’s interesting that Arazni isn’t called out as dead, and that she still has followers among the Knights of Lastwall. Makes me wonder if Tyrant’s Grasp wasn’t done yet when this was written or if she isn’t really gone?
Rysky |
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Interesting.
And going back to Arazni it would be the former, but they probably had a list of important events outlined. If I were to guess they decided to leave it a mystery since that leaves a lot of potential, they can always at a later point have a product declare her dead-dead.
I've always been interested in an "Evil" AP focusing on her, TG didn't have enough for my tastes, helping her recover her organs and how interactions with group plays out (closer to Casandalee in Iron Gods rather than Sorshen in Return of the Runelords) would be a lot of fun I think.
Molotov |
One thing I'm hoping to hear is what people think about the Glossary and Index (Glossdex!) at the back of the book.
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I'd love to hear peoples' thoughts on how successful the Glossdexes are so we can tweak them to serve readers better going forward.
Well, I was pleased to see the "Glossdex" in the World Guide. Still tbd on its use for the World Guide specifically, but I've gotten very good use out of the one in the Core Rulebook. I'm a fan.
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pad300 |
Now that it’s out to everyone (and that I have it!), I’d love to see this thread take off.
I think it’s interesting that Arazni isn’t called out as dead, and that she still has followers among the Knights of Lastwall. Makes me wonder if Tyrant’s Grasp wasn’t done yet when this was written or if she isn’t really gone?
Why would she be gone? Sure, TB nuked her, but she's a lich, and he doesn't have her phylactery... This is what's known as a temporary setback. Did I miss something?
Rysky |
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keftiu wrote:Now that it’s out to everyone (and that I have it!), I’d love to see this thread take off.
I think it’s interesting that Arazni isn’t called out as dead, and that she still has followers among the Knights of Lastwall. Makes me wonder if Tyrant’s Grasp wasn’t done yet when this was written or if she isn’t really gone?
Why would she be gone? Sure, TB nuked her, but she's a lich, and he doesn't have her phylactery... This is what's known as a temporary setback. Did I miss something?
The special qualities of said nuke.
Deadmanwalking |
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keftiu wrote:Now that it’s out to everyone (and that I have it!), I’d love to see this thread take off.
I think it’s interesting that Arazni isn’t called out as dead, and that she still has followers among the Knights of Lastwall. Makes me wonder if Tyrant’s Grasp wasn’t done yet when this was written or if she isn’t really gone?
Why would she be gone? Sure, TB nuked her, but she's a lich, and he doesn't have her phylactery... This is what's known as a temporary setback. Did I miss something?
The nuke explicitly weakened her ties to her phylactery (as she knew having been hit by it before)...and then she boosted its power instead of trying to stop it, basically committing suicide to free herself from slavery to Geb (which was necessary since he had her phylactery). That part seems to have worked (which is why she's listed as a deity in the LOWG Glossary, something I just noticed). She was also hoping to take Tar-Baphon with her (since the supercharged nuke would hit him, too, if to a lesser degree). That part didn't work as well.
Darth Game Master |
Some geographic weirdness with Garund is going on. The scale of 200 miles per inch (at least in my copy) for the Golden Road is clearly wrong, and the overview calls Inner Sea Garund the northern half when it's closer to the northern quarter judging by the CRB world map.
So we really shouldn't be calling the rest of Garund southern Garund, it's more like central and southern Garund...
Psiphyre |
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Some geographic weirdness with Garund is going on. The scale of 200 miles per inch (at least in my copy) for the Golden Road is clearly wrong, and the overview calls Inner Sea Garund the northern half when it's closer to the northern quarter judging by the CRB world map.
So we really shouldn't be calling the rest of Garund southern Garund, it's more like central and southern Garund...
Hmm...
I think the terms "northern Garund" & "southern Garund" aren't meant literally.
Rather, they are used more to differentiate the section of Garund that is part of the Inner Sea region from the rest of Garund -- the latter of which has consistently been stated (on the boards & in print) as being much larger than that northern portion.
It doesn't mean that less ambiguous descriptors couldn't have been used.
That said, I don't think Paizo is being intentionally (or even accidentally) misleading in the description given...
. . .
We really do need that full world map of Golarion!
:D
<wink*wink>
;)
Carry on,
--C.
Darth Game Master |
Darth Game Master wrote:Some geographic weirdness with Garund is going on. The scale of 200 miles per inch (at least in my copy) for the Golden Road is clearly wrong, and the overview calls Inner Sea Garund the northern half when it's closer to the northern quarter judging by the CRB world map.
So we really shouldn't be calling the rest of Garund southern Garund, it's more like central and southern Garund...
Hmm...
I think the terms "northern Garund" & "southern Garund" aren't meant literally.
Rather, they are used more to differentiate the section of Garund that is part of the Inner Sea region from the rest of Garund -- the latter of which has consistently been stated (on the boards & in print) as being much larger than that northern portion.It doesn't mean that less ambiguous descriptors couldn't have been used.
That said, I don't think Paizo is being intentionally (or even accidentally) misleading in the description given.... . .
We really do need that full world map of Golarion!
:D
<wink*wink>
;)Carry on,
--C.
I'm aware that that is what southern Garund was intended to mean, and it makes sense. I was more pointing out how it doesn't really make much sense in an in-world context since I doubt the Inner Sea region would be a term used by people on Golarion. Or if it was, it would refer to the places literally bordered by the Inner Sea.
Joseph Davis |
One thing I'm hoping to hear is what people think about the Glossary and Index (Glossdex!) at the back of the book.
One of the challenges with setting content in first edition was just how much of it was a slurry of proper nouns. If you didn't know the setting already or didn't know where to look, you would read a name without any further context, which could make it hard to get the overall picture of things going on.
With the Lost Omens line, we're hoping to make things a bit easier to comprehend. Unlike the Glossdex in the Core Rulebook or Bestiary, the Glossdex in LOWG is designed to provide a bit further context to things within the book. There are lots of proper nouns that we don't have space to explain in the text proper, so where we could, we bring them up in the Glossdex! We're hoping that the Glossdex makes the books a little more standalone, or at least standalone enough that you can use them for campaigns without worrying about having to reference a dozen other pieces of material.
I'd love to hear peoples' thoughts on how successful the Glossdexes are so we can tweak them to serve readers better going forward.
I like the way it's laid out, either giving solid info or a good link to a page where to find the info!
Deadmanwalking |
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Still waiting for my copy to come in - is there anything on the change from a gold standard to silver standard
No. Inasmuch as that was ever an in-world thing it's a straight retcon.
Personally, I never saw IC stuff talking specific amounts of money (making the whole thing a gameplay abstraction either way), but whether it was IC or not, there's certainly been no in-universe change.
Joseph Davis |
Not that I can see. I don't think anything changed in the setting, I think the rules just shifted the focus to silver pieces since they're more common.
I know some have, longsword for example changed from 15 gold to 1 gold, while dagger just dropped from 2g to 2s, but the aldori dueling sword remains 20g. If it is staying that price, cool, just wondering!
Darth Game Master |
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One thing I like about this book is that different parts of the world feel connected, which I feel the setting's creators previously struggled with given their strategy of keeping certain elements within the different regions (like nations, not the new meta-regions). The Mwangi Expanse section references how Vidrian's rise affects the politics there, and the Broken Lands one takes into account how the closing of the Worldwound and Tar-Baphon's resurgence change things, for example.
xgamemonsterx |
Side question here; with the costs of gear changing so much from 1e to 2e, is the Aldori Dueling Sword (pg. 28)supposed to be 20g? That was the price in 1e, and I wanted to make sure with how the currency changes have occurred if that was still the actual price.
Just watched the Friday livestream and Eleanor pretty unequivocally stated that the price was supposed to be 20sp.
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The iconic alchemist from 1e whose name eludes me can be seen on pg 5. Curious.
Just saw the first pictures of Nex and Geb (the wizards, not the nations) that I've come across, I rather like them. I also am more pumped than ever for a campaign about Nex and Geb. With Geb active and waiting for the return of Nex, I could see a campaign where you need to dispose of them. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Geb could only be finally slain after his nemesis whose relentless warfare led to his suicide was finally put to rest. And either of those ancient evils returning to global prominence would spell (pun intended) mass disaster should their ambitions rise again.
I really like the layout of 2e books taking advantage of margins, and the art for all the notable NPCs is fantastic.
PossibleCabbage |
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The iconic alchemist from 1e whose name eludes me can be seen on pg 5. Curious.
They got into this on the livestream on friday. The instructions to the artist called for "the iconic alchemist" and the artist had apparently not gotten the memo that the title had passed to Fumbus now. They speculated that perhaps Fumbus had imbibed an Infiltrator's Elixir to merely *look* like Damiel.
Paradozen |
Paradozen wrote:The iconic alchemist from 1e whose name eludes me can be seen on pg 5. Curious.They got into this on the livestream on friday. The instructions to the artist called for "the iconic alchemist" and the artist had apparently not gotten the memo that the title had passed to Fumbus now. They speculated that perhaps Fumbus had imbibed an Infiltrator's Elixir to merely *look* like Damiel.
I don't see why it couldn't be Damiel (and thanks to zimmerwald1915 and Izkrael for the name). Did they murder him between editions? Or retcon him out of existence? I assumed they just stopped telling stories about him to focus on their branding.