WHoa!!! *fist in the air* Q!! I love it!
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Yuess!!! Q and some time travel! :D
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Season 2 comes in February, season 3 officially picked up, and full Season 2 trailer! Happy Star Trek Day!
Cool. Also it appears Q made a slightly more interesting version of Starfleet mirror verse by changing the past in our time.
The "Meet The Cast" of "Star Trek: Strange New Worlds" was interesting, too.
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The "Meet The Cast" of "Star Trek: Strange New Worlds" was interesting, too.
It certainly was. The Khan connection is interesting and I hope it's not too heavy handed. On the other hand the announcement about Dr. M'Benga, Nurse Chapel, and Cadet Uhura were just awesome
Just picked up P+ on Amazon black Friday 2 months for 2 bucks. Started with Piard and loved it.
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Hmm...wonder how interest the Borg queen is going to be now that he has that new body of his.
OK 3 episodes in and the tension in this season is just nuts. The Borg Queen is literally a fraction of her full self and she is still terrifying.
and then Jurati goes and actually impresses her. That is not good.
Rios has crap for luck. 5 minutes...he couldn't even make it past 5 minutes
Episode One was off to a good start, I felt.
Episode Two sort of made me give the tv a skeptical look when Picard's suggestion to do what Kirk had done before (I'm trying to not spoil anything for others) just popped up all perky like the inspiration Fred might have had in any episode of "Scooby-Doo".
Episode Three had me perusing the Memory Alpha database for the time of the Eugenics Wars after the initial scan of 21st century Earth didn't reveal any radioactive wastelands. Does that mean The Eugenics War didn't use nuclear weapons? Thirty to thirty-seven million people died in that conflict. (Voyager completely ignored that little tidbit, too, when they traveled back to 1996). On an episode of ST:TNG Data made a comment that the after effects of the war carried into the early 21st century.
I try not to nitpick, I really do. But Trek Chronology matters to me more than it should, an indicator that I should have played outside more as a kid...LOL
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Episode One was off to a good start, I felt.
Episode Two sort of made me give the tv a skeptical look when Picard's suggestion to do what Kirk had done before (I'm trying to not spoil anything for others) just popped up all perky like the inspiration Fred might have had in any episode of "Scooby-Doo".
Episode Three had me perusing the Memory Alpha database for the time of the Eugenics Wars after the initial scan of 21st century Earth didn't reveal any radioactive wastelands. Does that mean The Eugenics War didn't use nuclear weapons? Thirty to thirty-seven million people died in that conflict. (Voyager completely ignored that little tidbit, too, when they traveled back to 1996). On an episode of ST:TNG Data made a comment that the after effects of the war carried into the early 21st century.
I try not to nitpick, I really do. But Trek Chronology matters to me more than it should, an indicator that I should have played outside more as a kid...LOL
When DS9 came back to 2024 I believe they also indicated a lack of radioactive isotopes in the atmosphere.
Star Trek canon has always been a moving target that fans cared about far more than the creators of the series. A Gizmodic Institutes approach to Trek canon definitely yields me more positive results than when I hyper focused on canon
Ok, here's my grumble about this week's episode of Picard. He met Guinan in the 1800s in "Time's Arrow, Parts One and Two" in ST:TNG. Why did she not remember him?
Cute little Easter egg in the name of that one building, though.
Ok, here's my grumble about this week's episode of Picard. He met Guinan in the 1800s in "Time's Arrow, Parts One and Two" in ST:TNG. Why did she not remember him?
Cute little Easter egg in the name of that one building, though.
The Producers answer is that much like the All Good Things… anomaly, the changes to the timeline have prevented events in the past that should have happened from happening.
Because there was no Enterprise, General Picard never traveled through the cave system on Devidia II to go back to 1893z
To speculate a bit: 2024 is effectively a paradox straddling both timelines and events tied to Picard’s timeline have already been erased from on existence while thinks like Kirk going back to 1986 have yet to be erased.
That makes sense. Thanks!
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and now we get a reference to Gary Seven
and HOLY CRAP they hit us with some awesome stuff in this one. Damn it Q WTF?!
plus that ending cliffhanger
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Season 3 casting announcement!
Surprising timing while season 2 is only halfway done - would have thought it would be an in between seasons announcement. But it is First Contact day I guess.
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I just binged the first several eps of the new season. This is so fun.
Aw man I love Agnes and yet all the time I'm like no Agnes noooo!
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Oh god AGNES NOOOO!!!
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At least she said no.... but is there hope? We shall see.
In other news, I learned the actress who played the Borg Queen is Annie Wersching who also played Leslie Dean on Runaways, so now I keep calling her Leslie Dean the Borg Queen because I am easily amused like that.
No question, DQ, that is amusing.
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I liked this episode. Yes, the soldiers had stormtrooper aim. But in Star Trek words are always more important than the action. (IMO; YMMV)
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I understand how the Confederation ended up so brutal. It's the world where Khan's side won the Eugenics wars. Humanity is all genetically enhanced like Khan and his people, probably even more so as the technology improved.
Speaking of the devil...
Okay, that was fun.
I have a rule when I watch Star Trek: I actively work to avoid nitpicking as much as possible. I like my pretty people in cool outfits having character driven dialogue IN SPAAAAACE and just leaving it at that usually. With the franchise's longevity it is easy to sink deeply into lore nitpicking which ruins everything.
I am trying really hard not to get trapped into nitpicking Romulan Watcher lady's abilities/technology (teleportation, possessing people, disguise) which seem to be entirely plot fueled and come and go randomly. I'm not going to let it bother me. I'm not I'm not I'm not. (There are other things one could nitpick but those I'm happy to throw a lampshade on and move on.)
Other than that, I enjoyed it and I enjoyed this whole series. I want to rewatch later as a binge as I expect I will pick up on stuff I missed the first time. I think Patrick Stewart is getting to really explore his character and do what he wanted with it (within the limitations that COVID imposed on this season), and that makes me happy.
And I will take all of the Seven of Nine the small screen will give me. I have always loved her, loved how she's changed in 20 years, and I always will love her.
From what I understand she isn't there on behalf of the Romulans but is working for the same people that Gary 7 was working for. So it's not Romulan tech she has but equipment given to her by those mystery beings.
She doesn't seem to have a Cat though
Well son of a.......
Couple of weird final twists there, not sure how I feel about the one. Just kind of a "What?...Him? Why?"
Figured out the Borg reveal in episode 9 but was not expecting the whole reason for her showing up and grabbing all the ships.
Going to guess that thing is part of season 3. Wondering if it connects to the first season
From what I understand she isn't there on behalf of the Romulans but is working for the same people that Gary 7 was working for. So it's not Romulan tech she has but equipment given to her by those mystery beings.
She doesn't seem to have a Cat though
The question wasn't on the origins, it was why she sometimes seems to be able to use it and sometimes not. One of them she mentioned had a time limit but other things just seem randomly used then forgotten. Not getting into details because I don't want to tempt myself into overanalysis.
Aw, I liked that one "why him" twist. If not just for the feelz.
I wonder if the final crisis relates to the first season as well.
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From what I understand she isn't there on behalf of the Romulans but is working for the same people that Gary 7 was working for. So it's not Romulan tech she has but equipment given to her by those mystery beings.
She doesn't seem to have a Cat though
Maybe she is the Cat?
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I finally got to see the Picard finale tonight, and like last season, I was not impressed. And the whole "Kum Ba Ya" moment with the Borg felt like a totally contrived cop out of the type I would use when I've DM'd myself into a corner and can't think of anything better to save the adventure. The resolution Picard's relationship with Q was something I did like, so it wasn't a total waste of my time tonight.
I really think I'm hanging onto Picard from brand loyalty. I don't like any of the characters, and that includes Seven of Nine. Jurati, Raffi, Elnor, even Rios - they all just grated on my nerves. Even Picard didn't seem like Jean-Luc Picard to me.
Anyway, that's just one nerd's opinion and carries only as much weight as the reader will allow it to. Have a good night, all.
Weirdly, I think the less an uber Trek fan you are, the more you're likely to like Picard. Not because I think Picard deviates wildly from the spirit of Star Trek, but it's NOT--and this has been clear from the start in marketing, theme, and atmosphere--a grand space opera like so many Star Trek stories. It's a magnifying lens on one character with a supporting cast to flesh out b plotlines. I think people who are super into Trek really are into the full setting itself--the weird planets, the aliens, the lore, the details of how the starships work, etc. To them the characters are important but those viewers also want to see the setting itself evolve, see the history be made, and discover more worlds and learn about new aliens. They want away teams and redshirts being killed and a heroic captain. Here the setting is really just setting, backdrop that is to be useful to the character driven stories being told, but not overtake it.
This is not a criticism of those types of fans. I'm just noting that it is not going to appeal to them (and I expect they're making stuff like Strange New Worlds for the uber Trekkers to enjoy and/or endlessly argue canonicity over [which from where I sit is what they really seem to enjoy] instead). And if Picard had been a brand new space opera that uber Trek fans crave, Patrick Stewart never would have agreed to it. He and others have made clear in many interviews he didn't want to do Star Trek the Next Generation the Next Generation. He wanted to do something that laser focused on Picard's story and got to see him outside the uniform. If it was going to be more of the same, he never would have agreed to it. Maybe, to some, that's what they would have preferred, but if anyone wanted to see Jean-Luc Picard again this was going to be the only way. Like many shows it was hindered by COVID so that dramatically impacted what they could do, so I'm not arguing this is the only way the story or production could have gone in its entirety, but no matter even in ideal circumstances what they made, it was never going to look or feel like any other Star Trek show and to me, who didn't even follow the marketing and interviews that closely, that was crystal clear. So anyone expecting anything else was doomed to being disappointed--and if we got anything else that felt more like traditional Trek, it never would have been called "Picard" or had Patrick Stewart in it. Do you want to see PStew again or do you want traditional Trek? Pick one.
I've always enjoyed many Star Trek series, but I've never been one to obsess over the lore or track canonicity. For me this series has been a breath of fresh air because it has been entirely different, using some familiar faces but going in an entirely different direction and I've appreciated their willingness to be experimental, even if some of the experiments didn't pay off as well as others. Lightning never strikes twice; no one can ever possibly exactly recreate the Trek I watched as a kid but they can make new things that take things in new directions while holding a feeling of familiarity, and personally I enjoy that more than hoping for one more nostalgia trip.
I really wanted to like "Strange New Worlds" and I came away loving it because out of all of the Nu Trek series, it's the only one that actually FELT like Star Trek (I started a thread about it the day after I saw it, but I don't think anyone has read it. Dang it). "Lower Decks" is fun and manages to pick up on the Next Generation vibe fairly well and Nickleodeon's "Star Trek: Prodigy" isn't half bad, either (once you get past the annoying teenager stereotypes).
I'm one of those people who will die on a hill for the sake of canonicity. At the end, when Soong is looking at the folder marked "The Khan Project" the cholesterol in my arteries began to boil in white hot fury because the events that resulted in Khan's exile in the original series episode "Space Seed" took place in the mid-1990s and in "Picard" the Augments project hadn't even begun yet, throwing canon off by 30 years.
I'm one of those people who will die on a hill for the sake of canonicity. At the end, when Soong is looking at the folder marked "The Khan Project" the cholesterol in my arteries began to boil in white hot fury because the events that resulted in Khan's exile in the original series episode "Space Seed" took place in the mid-1990s and in "Picard" the Augments project hadn't even begun yet, throwing canon off by 30 years.
There's no canonical failing here. The date on the file's cover label says 1996, the ID tab says 1992. The first time Trek traveled to 2024 it was established as being post Eugenics War, and this time canonized the same governor of California.
Canonically on Enterprise, Arik Soong was continuing his families research into genetic augmentation despite the ban enacted after the Eugenics Wars. The file was setting up the arc, much like how Arik at the end of the Augment arc mentioned abandoning genetic augmentation for cybernetics thus setting up Noonien Soong building Data almost 200 years later.
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*snip*I hardly consider myself an uber-fan,
That's fair... and I wasn't necessarily trying to target you specifically with the commentary; more your and Cal's comments inspired me to riff off the idea that fans who have a very specific idea of what Star Trek is supposed to look like will probably take issue with Picard, as it was by design not supposed to look like traditional Star Trek (which I probably just expressed better now than in my entire previous post).
considering I only started watching ST seriously a couple years ago,
Although I think, generally speaking, when someone becomes a fan does not necessarily play into how "uber" they are. I am not suggesting you really are an uber fan if you don't see yourself that way, I'm just saying I don't think there's an age or entry requirement.
I really dislike the whole Borg queen thing - it's the exact opposite of what the Borg originally was about - but that's not a crime I can lay at the feet of this series.
I loved what they did with the Borg Queen (particularly LESLIE DEAN THE BORG QUEEN *guitar sting*) and exploring what she'd be like totally alone and separated from the Collective... but I also loved what they did with the Borg in Voyager and in the movies, and that is apparently a subject of contention among many Trek fans. I feel like their role--perhaps appropriately both narratively and metanarratively--adapted and evolved. :) But that is definitely not the only way to see things.
Out of curiosity, what is it you think the Borg were originally about?
I really wanted to like "Strange New Worlds" and I came away loving it because out of all of the Nu Trek series, it's the only one that actually FELT like Star Trek (I started a thread about it the day after I saw it, but I don't think anyone has read it. Dang it).
FWIW I read it but I haven't started watching it yet so I have nothing to say. Which might come as a relief to some. :)
There's no canonical failing here. The date on the file's cover label says 1996, the ID tab says 1992. The first time Trek traveled to 2024 it was established as being post Eugenics War, and this time canonized the same governor of California.
Canonically on Enterprise, Arik Soong was continuing his families research into genetic augmentation despite the ban enacted after the Eugenics Wars. The file was setting up the arc, much like how Arik at the end of the Augment arc mentioned abandoning genetic augmentation for cybernetics thus setting up Noonien Soong building Data almost 200 years later.
Thanks for pointing that out. I didn't see the dates on the folder.
In the premier of SNW, Pike tells a new civilization about the wars on Earth that killed over 30% of humanity and caused the extinction of 600,000 other species. But it appears that the time he cites as when The Second Civil War (Colonel Greene's War??), The Eugenics Wars, and WWIII take place as all just running together (without it even mattering what they were called in the end) in the earlier days of the 21st century. I plan to watch it again this week with a friend so I'll make it a point to pay attention during his speech.
He is non specific about those time frames, I think largely because it is meant to be allegorical of a fork in the road in our actual present day experience.
I would love to explore the idea after a rewatch on the concept that the show that nailed the continuity with its production design felt wrong, while the one that played fast and loose with it felt more accurate. That’s an interesting notion to me.
I always felt the queen was more like the first among equals. Her vote matters, but not if the collective decides she's wrong.
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Have we ever gotten any indication that's the case?
Yes, IIRC that happened on Voyager. She wanted to go one direction but the hivemind pushed for another.
My issue is with the removal of the hivemind - the vast, impersonal, force-of-nature intelligence - and reducing it to a single person with a rather petty personality.
I loved what they did with the Borg Queen (particularly LESLIE DEAN THE BORG QUEEN *guitar sting*) and exploring what she'd be like totally alone and separated from the Collective... but I also loved what they did with the Borg in Voyager and in the movies, and that is apparently a subject of contention among many Trek fans. I feel like their role--perhaps appropriately both narratively and metanarratively--adapted and evolved. :) But that is definitely not the only way to see things.
Out of curiosity, what is it you think the Borg were originally about?
In the alt future, the entire borg were destroyed, so the hivemind was gone, and she initially was incapable of assimilation. And an entity who is used to being served by an entire colony of workers and guards and now being all alone... petty seems like an appropriate character trait. Sorry if I'm being dumb, but I am not quite getting it. Is it just that you didn't like that they created that situation at all?
I'm also still curious what you think the borg are about.
I am really worried I am sounding like an a%%$$+@. I really am just curious.
Have we ever gotten any indication that's the case?
Not in the least, she has always been seen directing and commanding the collective.
I'd direct your attention to DQ's posting...