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Thomas Seitz wrote:
I'd direct your attention to DQ's posting...

And I’d direct you toward the description in universe of that moment being a fracture in the collective with a minority breaking off to flee while the majority of the collective remained with the Queen

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Bjørn Røyrvik wrote:

No worries, I'll only think you an a###~!$+ if you break out the personal attacks.

The Borg hivemind was made of many individuals, mind-wiped and subsumed to the collective. Individual minds didn't stand out. There were no identities other than function. Heck, I even think the idea of Locutus was a bad one that went against the idea of removing individuality and creating interchangeable drones. Drones severed from the collective still thought and acted like Borg, and learning how to function as individuals was a slow and painful process. They all still acted like, for want of a better word, emotionless robots. The along comes the queen and acts like a petty human from her introduction. Having a personality in charge is the antithesis of a hivemind. Having individuals with personality is the antithesis of the Borg Collective.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts! Ah I see. The issue is the introduction of the idea of a Queen at all, not necessarily (just) the one on Picard. Folks have been debating that for years.

My understanding is the general gist is it was supposed to be like bees, generally a hivemind agreeing and fully collaborating but with a single entity who was their "nexus" that they built themselves up around. I admit the metaphor is limited, as all bee queens do is have babies and borg queens actually do have more power. I'm not defending it, just recalling (badly) the thinking behind it.

Personally I always liked the Queen idea, but not for terribly logical reasons... I always kind of found her hot (I know, I'm weird) and it made it easier for me to think about how the Borg came to be (one person in search of perfection building up a "hive" around them to serve and protect her, again, going back to the sort of bee metaphor).

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Moving into head canon territory:
The origins of the Borg could be anything. Science experiment gone wrong, over-eager do-gooders trying to stop wars,

Those were already done as origins of the Cybermen on Doctor Who. Though that doesn't negate the possibility.

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or a desperate attempt to connect with people*.

Picard (the show, not the man) seems to suggest this is partly the case, and partly the obsession with attaining perfection.

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The end result should be the same - the monstrous, inhuman scourge that has no emotion, no pity, cannot be pleaded with, only escaped from or fought. The Borg, from an emotional creature's perspective and the general humano-centric thrust of the ST-verse, are powerful but broken. They do what they do, they can adapt tactics and strategies to achieve their stated goal of assimilation but they...

To me I feel like that hasn't been lost, and maybe it's just cognitive dissonance I feel like I can reconcile both the idea of the unstoppable legion and its singular queen in my mind. But I can't explain it very well. But I understand just wanting them to be the unchanging terrifying legionous monster in the dark.

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