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in the wilderness origins there the feat weapon shift and i have a few question about it
when it state :
Your natural attacks also gain all of the weapon’s properties (such as disarm), other than the double weapon property and the fragile weapon property; moreover, when using this feat to grant the trip property to your natural attacks, you gain a +2 bonus on combat maneuver checks to trip an enemy, but you cannot drop your weapon to avoid being tripped due to a failed trip attempt. Weapon Shift does not apply a magic weapon’s enhancement bonus to your natural attacks, nor does it grant your natural attacks any of a weapon’s magical special abilities.
does it incluse the crit range for exemple a weapon 18-20 would the natural attack also turn 18-20 crit range and let say adamantite weapon would it give the natural weapon the adamantine property in order to bypass dr?
Your melee weapons meld into your animal form.
Prerequisites: Wild shape class feature.
Benefit: When you use your wild shape ability, any melee weapons you are wielding and proficient with meld into your new form. Select one of these weapons; while in your new form, your natural attacks deal the same damage type as that weapon. Your natural attacks also gain all of the weapon’s properties (such as disarm), other than the double weapon property and the fragile weapon property; moreover, when using this feat to grant the trip property to your natural attacks, you gain a +2 bonus on combat maneuver checks to trip an enemy, but you cannot drop your weapon to avoid being tripped due to a failed trip attempt. Weapon Shift does not apply a magic weapon’s enhancement bonus to your natural attacks, nor does it grant your natural attacks any of a weapon’s magical special abilities.
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"Properties" is referring to the special weapon features mentioned at the "special" column at the weapon tables.
These are:
Blocking, Brace, Deadly, Disarm, Distracting, Double, Fragile, Grapple, Monk, Nonlethal, Performance, Reach, Strength, Sunder and Trip.
It would not increase the critical threat range, or apply any effects of special materials.
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fine but then why not just write the weapon also gain the weapon special property instead of weapon properties. the term properties tto my knowledge had never been written for something specific and even the exemple such as is not limiting to a kind a properties but only 1 of them
but i dont disagree that it only apply for the special keyword but just disapoint by the wording on the feat
1) Do you get both weapons? The text is "any melee weapons you are wielding", definitely a plural.
This question is answered by literally the next sentence: "Select one of these weapons; (...)".
What does Reach imply with shifted weapon? Weapon reach normally is a donut; in the middle you can't attack (with that weapon), whereas natural weapon reach makes a circle...
Your natural attacks have the reach property, with all the usual rules. Note that what you call "natural weapon reach" is infect the default, natural reach - a large human(oid) uses the same rules with a manufactured weapon, for instance.
What if the Naginata if a Kusari Gama (S/P, Monk, Double, Reach, Trip, Grapple )? Take into account the Kusari Gama's wielder's ability to change if reach applies or not.
This is not 100% clear, but the only interpretation that makes sense is that what the feat calls "weapon’s properties" refers to the weapon qualities listed in the "special" section of the weapon table, i.e. Blocking, Brace, Deadly, Disarm, Distracting, Grapple, Monk, Nonlethal, Performance, Reach, Strength, Sunder and Trip (CRB pg. 144f and UE pg. 22). Under that asumption, you only get those properties, nothing else, i.e. the answer to the entire rest of your post is "no".
Might as well keep using this thread.
So my first thought when I saw Weapon Shift was to use it with the Battle Poi to become a bootleg fire elemental with pounce, but what other shenanigans are possible?
Flame Blade with the Elemental Metamagic could be used for getting Cold/Acid/Lightning damage, but is mostly an option for just the druid. It also presents a problem not dealt with in the feat description.
What happens if the weapon you used with Weapon Shift has a duration that ends during the Wild Shape?
I'm not 100% sure of what you're saying, so here's the short version of how it works:
When not using a weapon with the reach property, you can attack every square in your reach except those you occupy. Increased size, the Longarm spell, the Lunge feat, or increased reach from a weird natural attack all fall under this category.
When using a weapon with the reach property (or a Weapon Shift affected natural attack), you have the "doughnut", i.e. you can not attack the innermost 5' for small, medium, and large (Long) creatures, 10' for large (tall) or huge (long) creatures, 15' for huge (tall) and gargantuan (long) creatures, and so on. Everything else gets added afterwards according to this FAQ.
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What does Reach imply with shifted weapon? Weapon reach normally is a donut; in the middle you can't attack (with that weapon), whereas natural weapon reach makes a circle...Your natural attacks have the reach property, with all the usual rules. Note that what you call "natural weapon reach" is infect the default, natural reach - a large human(oid) uses the same rules with a manufactured weapon, for instance.
Not sure I understand the reach rules at this point. A medium humanoid with a reach weapon (eg. a Bill), threatens an area Like so:
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TSSST
TSXST
TSSST
TTTTTwhere T is a threatened 5' square, S is a not threatened square, and X is the occupied square.
You appear to be saying a medium "humanoid" with reach 10' (a faceless stalker say) with a longsword threatens the same area (above diagram)? Or is his threatened area (what I currently understand):
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TTTTTFurther, if the aforementioned faceless stalker had bill rather than a longsword, I currently understand his threatened area to be:
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TTSSSTT
TTSXSTT
TTSSSTT
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TTTTTTTWhereas, if the stalker had the sword, but had also been subject to a Longarm spell,
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TTTTTTTAm I misunderstanding the reach rules?
Looks about right. Not sure about the corners on everything tho
The corners are correctly shown as threatened per the CRB FAQ.
https://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fm#v5748eaic9sp8
"10-Foot Reach and Diagonals: I’m confused about reach and diagonals. I heard somewhere online that you don’t threaten the second diagonal with a 10-foot reach but that you somehow get an attack of opportunity when opponents move out of that square, but the Rules Reference Cards show that you do threaten the second diagonal. Which one is correct?
The cards are correct. As an exception to the way that diagonals normally work, a creature with 10 feet of reach threatens the second diagonal. These changes will be reflected in the next errata."
Note that this FAQ was a December 2014 post.
But my CRB PDF just downloaded from the Paizo site says this on pages 192-193:
Measuring Distance
"Diagonals: When measuring distance, the first diagonal counts as 1 square, the second counts as 2 squares, the third counts as 1, the fourth as 2, and so on."
And this on pages 214 about the area of a spell effect:
"You can count diagonally across a square, but remember that every second diagonal counts as 2 squares of distance."
The latest printing (i.e. the last time they applied errata) is from 2013. They don't adjust PDFs between printings.
Note that the FAQ only talks about 10 foot reach, so for anything beyond, use the usual rules. That means for the last two diagrams, you'd need to cut the corners.
When not using a weapon with the reach property, you can attack every square in your reach except those you occupy.
Where is the rule preventing you from attacking within a square you occupy?
Ah, I think I misremembered something. Re-reading, you do indeed both can attack and threaten squares you occupy (when not using a reach weapon). My bad!
Ah, I think I misremembered something. Re-reading, you do indeed both can attack and threaten squares you occupy (when not using a reach weapon). My bad!
pfft! there goes my new tactic for fighting gargantuan foes...
:)