I will be starting a game soon that will be using the 5e ruleset, but set in Golarion. The reason I have hunting them is I want to flush out the Devil my Warlock character made a deal with.
Now, I do not have a super amount of PF books now days, some beastries, some world books and such. So I came here to see what other folks know. I know of The Gylou and the Erinyes and I know of the four Whore Queens.
Anything I have missed?
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Yeah, there is also female imp in one book and female apostate devil in another. All devils can really appear as both genders besides erinyes and handmaiden devil as far as I know
I'm honestly kinda confused about what is sate of Hell's misogyny in nowadays canon after Queen of Nights renaming. I mean, Hell being misogynistic got really toned down, but its still partially referred to in Book of the Damned write up for Queen of the Nights so I'm confused about whether it exists anymore or not
(in retrospect it never really made sense in setting even before retcons, it came across as one of those "our setting is more dark and edgy than forgotten realms!" things pathfinder had in early years. Main reason why I say that is that Cheliax's queens, the logic "Oh, devils don't care bout mortal genders but care about outsider genders" always came across as bit hand wavy to just maintain them being misogynists despite them never acting like that with mortals)
Our cultures tend to think of the female as the nurturing gender by default. Common but not universal in nature. Devils are pretty much anti-nurturing. It is still based on a somewhat sexist premise in our own cultures so I can see them getting away from it.
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My favorite devil has been the Cabal devil for a long time. They're described as female presenting.
The Cabal Devil looks like something that would make a deal with warlock too! I think that one first my needs. Now, I will agree the misogyny of Hell never made any sense as they did deal with mortals and did not seem to care if it was male or female.
I have not looked at the Golarion stuff in a few years and in my books its still very misogynist.
Eeeeh ... Mortals are tools or victims, sex matters little. Inferiors are inferiors.
Not that I disagree on the whole "Asmodeus is a misogynist" thing. It's flavor of sorts, maybe, but it's so, SO minor in the grand scheme of things. He's the God-king of the nine Hells : bad as it is, he has done and will do worse. He's apparently not even enforcing it much outside his realm, as evidenced by Cheliax not really being sexist.
Although a reminder that the big A is not above such pettiness is fine, I guess.
I kind of thought "Asmodeus is a huge misogynist" was intended to be a point of friction with "all of the most effective leaders of Diabolist Cheliax have been women" considering that Cheliax would collapse in about a week if Abrogail II were to disappear.
It's important to showcase that Hell and Thrune are not, in fact, in lock-step.
Isn't there a non-evil feminine aspect of Asmodeas as well whose worshippers are divinely supported?
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Seems likely that Hell advertises itself as non-misogynist when this is useful for it's marketing(*), and may even have laws against misogyny to reinforce this, but then proceeds to be misogynist anyway, taking great delight in twisting and loopholing these same laws.
(*)Naturally, the opposite when the opposite is useful.
Part of the "devils tend to be misogynist" (and Asmodeus is misogynist) thing was set up as a contrast to demons (and Lamashtu) emphasizing (some) "female" concepts (i.e., birth/spawning). Not to mention they wanted to more strongly differentiate erinyes (vengeance) and succubi (seduction) than 3.x did.
Yes I remember all those heated, often to the point of ridiculousness, panel discussions. I have no problems with Paizo getting themselves away from that, if only to distance themselves from "the Great Unlaid". Yes, I remember that too. I rather enjoy a setting where Asmodeas sometimes becomes a "skirt" and hits the (red?) lighter parts of town. Canon has been changing and sometimes evolving since the days of yore.