Hello, everyone. I have this concept for a character I'm interested in keeping as a back up for a character I'm currently playing. Level 8, 20 point buy. The concept is that of a rabble rouser, master manipulator, silver-tongued deceiver, an unknown instigator of many a kingdom's civil wars.
To do this, I was thinking high charisma, with diplomacy and bluff as a base. Magic will be needed, likely making heavy use of Sow Thoughts, even going so far as to make that a sort of signature spell for him/her. More in the sense that they use it often and efficiently than mechanically. This one isn't really focused on battle, but should be capable of it, as this is Pathfinder and it will happen at some point. They should be unassuming, yet often gain the trust of others fairly quickly.
Currently between Bard, Mesmerist or Sorcerer. That said, I'm not sure which might be best, and which archetypes may improve the chances of making this a thing.
P.s. Might be interested in going 3 into charlatan rogue to gain early access to rumormonger.
So, how about it? Any suggestions on making such a character?
Kitsune get Sorcerer
Go fey bloodline I'd assume. Seems reasonable, as sorcerer would give more uses of sow thought. Might not be quite as good as humans or other races for bluff, but still solid.
Go fey bloodline I'd assume. Seems reasonable, as sorcerer would give more uses of sow thought. Might not be quite as good as humans or other races for bluff, but still solid.
Yes Fey bloodline.
Bluff will be just fine if you max it and your CHA mod will be nice. Level 1 you can have +9 to bluff. Sure you can go human for better bluff but I thought you wanted better DCs for your spell Sow Thought.
Kitsune get a FCB for +1 to Enchantment spell DCs. So was trying to maximize the spell you really like. The Kitsune will provide the Highest Save DC to resist the spell.
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If you took 4 levels of Unchained Charlatan Rogue you would get full weapon finesse, with dex to damage, and debilitating injury...truckloads of skill points, evasion, 2 rogue talents, 2d6 sneak attack, etc.
Then 4 levels of mesmerist would get you Consummate Liar, 3 mesmerist tricks, 2nd level mesmerist spells, hypnotic/painful stare, etc.
If you want to focus solely on the bluffing and magic side of things start with an 18-20 Cha, rest into Dex/Con to keep you alive.
A lot of great suggestions here. Thank you, everyone! I'm going to see about building out a 4 unchained rogue / 1 Synth Summoner / 3 Fey Sorcerer using kitsune sometime this week and see how that turns out.
I will, of course, have to make sure my DM will allow the Charlatan archetype for the unchained rogue as they technically don't have trap sense to replace, they have danger sense. That said, they're apparently pretty much the same thing, so I don't expect him to mind.
bard will get you more skill ranks and higher totals for things like bluff, stealth, sense motive, sleight of hand, knowledge nobility, knowledge history, etc...
You can make up for most of that with spells, but you won't have many with 3 classes.
Somewhere there is a build that had a bluff in the 50's in the mid levels like you are talking about. I think it was all bard, but it might have had a single level dip in something else. Search should eventually find it.
Hoaxer bard. really great if you play him right. cause being able to use skills to change people mind is NOTHING to using magic and cursed items to boost it.
also very powerfull in combat once you understand you can make at level 5 this nasty thing for real chip
-125 gp via making a cursed dust of Tracelessness, dc 15 fort fail and 3d6 con damage even if you save it's 5d4 rounds of stunned!! in 20 ft spread that is tpk material right there.
(normaly cursed items are rolled when failing to make a specific magic item. the fact you can pick to make it cursed from the start is very powerfull. pick craft cursed wondrius items at level 5 and you got a new set of tools at your desposel)
they hadn't had these rules back then.. still a good option for a rabble ruser cahracter and unlike other who can make cursed items this one has a specific class mechanic to make sure others TAKE the items and or use it.
