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Hey, I'm not a murderer—I'm just an Eoxian repo man. (Make your loan payments ON TIME, folks!)This is an excellent idea and I'm going to go ahead and say it's canon now. :DCould a living entity get a loan against their body? Some cheap credits that if you dont pay back means Eox has the legal rights to your body if and when you die?
"Its your money and you should have it now!"
"Because you cant take it with you!"
"Why pay for a funeral when we will pay you to do it for you?"
Want to see Eoxian Space Hearses now...
Ever since I read this post on Wednesday I have had bits from REPO! The Genetic Opera running through my head.
I could actually see the Eoxian death insurance agents being actually pretty reasonable. I assume the higher ups are all liches/vampires/ghouls or other intelligent undead who live very very long lives. So what if someone gets a resurrection...they can always wait another 40 years to collect. They probably only get sketchy if they take out a cadaver loan an a individual who has a very high likelihood of paying off his debt, or someone who might be wanted dead otherwise.
It would be really the living black marketeers I would worry about.
Generally speaking, the kind of people who take loans out against their body are not the sort who are going to be able to afford a resurrection. That said, if you can afford a resurrection, you can afford to pay the nice Eoxians a small extension fee. They'll waive it if you're a good source of referrals, though, or if you do other business with them. I'm sure there are people who just see it as free cash since they won't need their body.
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Is the insurance meant to help with your reanimation or is it to save your corpse from the cadaver traffickers? "By accepting this insurance payoff you agree to surrender the corpse of the holder of said policy to their next of kin, without necromancy or other desecration performed on it after death or for any purpose other than preservation of said corpse against natural decay..."What about life insurance...or being dead insurance...or is it undead insurance in case you die(ie: raise undead...urh raise you)...maybe it's kind of all three? ;)
I think it works with the deals mentioned in the posts above.
The possibilities!
Seriously Paizo got a lot of good material from this thread. ;)
If the Eoxian necrodocs reclaim (under contract) and reanimate your fallen comrade's body, who's to say that body will even house your comrade's soul?
Necrodoc: "Yeah, you see, your buddy Mr. Jenkins should have read his Silver Plan contract closer. Otherwise, he would have known that a Platinum Member has priority access to available bodies; one has exercised this option and has already been resleeved into the Jenkins necromeatware. Not to worry though, Mr. Jenkins' mindsoul is in the queue and should only experience a short 36-38 month wait for a body."
Best. Thread. Ever.
So I get that Eox imports bodies from other planets to raise for their population, but how is it that they convince other species (and the individuals of that species) to donate or sell the remains? Is there some sort of monetary incentive or agreement? That seems like a hard thing to incentivize.
Unless the culture/s in question apply no emotional value/other value to the remains of their deceased?
Not all cultures or species could place the same value on the bodies of the deceased as we humans do in our real world.
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Eox could also be a dumping grounds for bad guys. Raid a ship. Kill the crew. Sure, you could space them. But if you could get paid even more...
Eox could also be a dumping grounds for bad guys. Raid a ship. Kill the crew. Sure, you could space them. But if you could get paid even more...
Do we really need to encourage adventurers to find ways to sell the bodies of the people they've killed? They'll find ways to do it on their own.
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Eox could also be a dumping grounds for bad guys. Raid a ship. Kill the crew. Sure, you could space them. But if you could get paid even more...
It seems likely there are Pact World regulations on such things.
While a black market in fresh corpses may well exist to circumvent such restrictions, accessing it and dealing with its members could easily be... adventurous...
If a party member has a loan against their corpse, they die, and someone uses resurrection on them, will the party be wanted for theft?
Or if not a party member a close friend or family member, sound like the seeds of a good adventure avoiding the Ex corpse repo crews and flee in the system.
Can an Android's shell be animated through necromancy?
I would think not, but if the android's "soul" was enslaved or bound somehow and used to animate the shell, then I would say yes.
But wouldn't an Android's soul just be a regular soul as would inhabit any other kind of body?Can an Android's shell be animated through necromancy?I would think not, but if the android's "soul" was enslaved or bound somehow and used to animate the shell, then I would say yes.
Which is why I believe necromancy would even work on it at all. If it weren't like other souls, I don't think necromancy would necessarily work on it.
The shell/body by itself is synthetic flesh and/or mechanical tech and not biological (at least as far as I know about androids so far), so necromancy wouldn't work on it unless it was infused or affected with 'soul-stuff'.
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Adventure Hook: A bone sage hires the party to prove that a rival bone sage has been illegally acquiring dead bodies. Party may discover along the way that their patron is also illegally acquiring dead bodies, because Eox is messed up like that.
Pathfinder androids can become undead, I say those in starfinder should to.
you know...this makes me wonder, given the tech available, whether the Eoxians also just have massive clone farms. If a lot is done by zombies and skeletons, you could just fast grow some bodies in vats, slaughter them on maturity, and bingo...your own supply of bodies. Of course, those corpses would probably be useless for any sort of advanced undead, but if you just need a zombie to carry some rocks...
To counter the 'body farms' there's probably a group out there who believe in these future corpses' "right to life" and will try to rescue the pre-undead or else resurrect the already undead.
As for the "raised ones", they might be like infants in adult bodies, but that would be less interesting than having them end up like the freed humans from The Matrix, where their minds were capable of grasping language and basic problem solving-skills. But their consciousness was trapped in a life of tedium and servitude, making escape or rebellion all but unthinkable until suddenly they were liberated from their undead masters. Unlike the people who were born live and were enslaved after death, these individuals would have never had a normal life to start with.
Whoever is familiar with the Ghost Brigades from Old Man's War? These are fast-grown clones of 'realborn' persons. They are created and raised to fight; they are rapidly educated through a lot of "unpacking" preprogrammed knowledge and skills that occurs as they develop.
In another sense these resurrected drone clones may have the minds of adults but will need to go through the equivalent of a GED program to integrate them into normal society. They're going to have a lot of struggling to understand higher human emotions and social cues, perhaps the drone clones will end up somewhat apathetic, sociopathic, or exhibit some behaviors resembling Asberger-like autism, but they will be able to relate pretty well to androids who are more or less in the same boat.
you know...this makes me wonder, given the tech available, whether the Eoxians also just have massive clone farms. If a lot is done by zombies and skeletons, you could just fast grow some bodies in vats, slaughter them on maturity, and bingo...your own supply of bodies. Of course, those corpses would probably be useless for any sort of advanced undead, but if you just need a zombie to carry some rocks...
- You may not be able to fast-grow clones.
- Ability scores matter, since cheap undead are just templates.- Costs of cloning, including maintaining enough breathable atmosphere for the clones, might be more expensive than purchase and shipping costs to get bodies from off-world.