For the purposes of utilizing feats, Combat Maneuvers, these weapons count as Unarmed Strikes right?
If a feat or ability says, when you make a unarmed attack X happens, using these weapons still counts as using a unarmed strike?
What I'm to do is use a Cestus as my primary weapon without necessarily being a monk or brawler. So I want to make sure that following the rules is all I'm guessing.
if it matters I do have the improved unarmed strike feat.
So what is it you're hoping for exactly? To add a magical enhancement bonus from your cestus to combat maneuvers with your unarmed strikes?
So what is it you're hoping for exactly? To add a magical enhancement bonus from your cestus to combat maneuvers with your unarmed strikes?
Yes, I intend to have weapon enchanted for gradual enhancement bonuses. But several feats that I have require I resolve my attacks with unarmed strikes, so im looking for clarification as to whether these weapons still count as unarmed strikes.
example if I go to make a grapple attempt does the cestus hinder me from making the grapple? I assume you don't get your weapons enhancement bonus to grapple checks... at least i didn't see anything about it.
No they don't count as unarmed strikes. Some may count as unarmed attacks. But they for sure aren't unarmed strikes
No they don't count as unarmed strikes. Some may count as unarmed attacks. But they for sure aren't unarmed strikes
The cestus you mean?
I think you're over complicating this Chess Pwn, the term "Unarmed Attack" to my understanding seems to only ever imply that you aren't using a weapon.
My question is whether or not using any of these "Close" weapons which include Unarmed Strikes, Cestus, Brass Knuckles, and so on, count as Unarmed Attacks for the purpose of utilizing feats, abilities, or Combat Maneuvers.
Example: Let's use a martial adept maneuver like "Finishing Kick" the short description reads, "The character may make an additional unarmed attack at his full base attack bonus at the end of a full attack action and the attack inflicts an additional 6d6 points of damage." Can my brass knuckles, cestus, or gauntlet be used for the final hit in Finishing Kick?
Also do I get my enhancement bonuses from a enchanted cestus to my combat maneuver modifiers when attempting a grapple? I'm assuming you can still grapple while wielding a cestus.
If I understand what you are asking correctly, you would not gain any bonuses to combat maneuvers when using enchanted Brass Knuckles, etc.
From what I have read, "Fist Load" weapons count as Weapon attacks not as Unarmed attacks. I'm basing this on the both the Brawler and Monk unarmed damage ability. If either of them were to use a fist load, they would get the weaker weapon damage instead of their better unarmed damage. (At least until the brawler gets his special ability at higher level.)
Having stated that, I totally disagree with those rules. Fist loads are specifically meant to increase damage from a punch by virtue of increased mass. Depending on the combat maneuver, or specific feat I don't think it would be unreasonable for the bonus from the weapon to apply. Grappling - probably not, Tripping - probably.
Anyway, that's my opinion
a cestus is a weapon. You can enchant it as a weapon, and it's a weapon. You can't use it to make unarmed strikes, it's not an unarmed attack, and doesn't interact with unarmed strike feats or unarmed attack feats.
a cestus is a weapon. You can enchant it as a weapon, and it's a weapon. You can't use it to make unarmed strikes, it's not an unarmed attack, and doesn't interact with unarmed strike feats or unarmed attack feats.
But somehow it allows your unarmed strikes to deal piercing damage so in some way you're using it with an unarmed strike. That's where everything gets confused. For instance, why wouldn't my piercing unarmed strike go through DR/cold iron when I'm using a cold iron cestus? If not, then how is it making it piercing if not by using it's spikes? Then if materials matter then why wouldn't enchants? If it's using the spikes, then why wouldn't shocking or flaming go off? Same with a poisoned cestus.
I'm really looking forward to seeing of these items cleared up.
yes, if you wear a cestus your kicks, headbutts and any other IUS you make are piercing. The material of the cestus doesn't transfer to your IUS. Since material doesn't matter enchants definitely don't. This is how the rules say. Rules say that a cestus is a weapon and not an IUS. Rules also say that they can make your IUS piercing. That's it, that's all that it does.
Oh, I understand what the rules say but I also understand that the rules make no sense whatsoever. Wearing a non-magic glove makes me able to stab someone with my knee... And if I make an unarmed attack with the hands that has the glove on, the glove does nothing unless I use it JUST so.
It lacks even the slightest bit of verisimilitude for a mundane item. Using even the most basic logic on the item forces you to ask the questions I asked in my last post. If a U monk has to designate a body part for style strikes it boggles the mind that the cestus ability isn't limited to the hand it's on or that the ability actually requires you to USE the item in the strike to get the ability. If I have to attack with a defending weapon to get the enchant to work why does a mundane item get a pass?
The 'unarmed' weapons have REALLY needed fixing for a long time. They have been an issue for FAR longer than the scorpion whip and it got fixed.
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For the purposes of utilizing feats, Combat Maneuvers, these weapons count as Unarmed Strikes right?
If a feat or ability says, when you make a unarmed attack X happens, using these weapons still counts as using a unarmed strike?
What I'm to do is use a Cestus as my primary weapon without necessarily being a monk or brawler. So I want to make sure that following the rules is all I'm guessing.
if it matters I do have the improved unarmed strike feat.
Unarmed Strikes are Unarmed Attacks.
Unarmed Attacks are not Unarmed Strikes.Gauntlets are unarmed attacks not strikes. They modify your strikes only by allowing you lethal damage.
A cestus is monk weapon, not an Unarmed Strike or Unarmed Attack.
While wearing a cestus, you are considered armed and your unarmed attacks deal normal damage.
You are unarmed.
Your unarmed attacks (Gauntlet, Unarmed Strike, "Armed" Unarmed Attacks like touch spell, and any other unarmed attack deals normal damage instead of non lethal.If you are proficient with a cestus, your unarmed strikes may deal bludgeoning or piercing damage. Monks are proficient with the cestus.
This modifies Unarmed Strike weapon to be able to deal bludgeoning or piercing.
A +5 brace knuckle or cestus won't add 5 to your unarmed strikes, unarmed attacks, or combat maneuvers (unless you use the bk/cestus in the maneuver.)