Gather Crowd - what is the point?


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PRD wrote:
Gather Crowd (Ex): At 5th level, the celebrity is skilled at drawing an audience to his performances. If he is in a settlement or populated area, he can shout, sing, or otherwise make himself noticed in order to attract an audience to his impromptu stage. The size of the crowd depends on the local population, but typically is a number of people equal to 1/2 the bard’s class level × the result of the bard’s Perform check. The crowd gathers over the next 1d10 rounds. If the bard fails to engage the crowd (such as by performing, kissing babies, trying to use fascinate, and so on), it disperses over the next 1d10 rounds. This ability replaces lore master.

Okay...so the bard gathers a crowd...and then what? I admit to not understanding how this is mechanically useful to the archetype. From a roleplaying angle, it's great. But I am not seeing anything that tells you how to leverage the crowd.

Liberty's Edge

So the Rouge uses the crowd as cover for moving stealthy around or though the crowd to a target. Most likely to use sleight-of-hand to take something.


What swordjockey said, or role play, like you said.


Several bard abilities and spells affect anyone who hears them. Having dozens of people around could come in handy.


Gather a crowd and incite them to riot!

Down with the municipality!

On a more reasonable note, a high charisma character with the attention of a crowd is in their element. Use and abuse the situation.


At last a guaranteed crowd for performance combat!


At the very least you have a lot of witnesses if you want something made public.


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So it essentially provides no quantitative benefit. That is a head-scratching replacement for something as valuable as lore master.


Isn't this power from an archetype whose whole schtick is inciting riots? Hard to do if you dont have a crowd


N N 959 wrote:
So it essentially provides no quantitative benefit. That is a head-scratching replacement for something as valuable as lore master.

It doesn't need to give raw numbers to be useful. It's certainly situational but the ability to summon dozens of hostages, witnesses, allies, pieces of human cover, etc. is very useful in the right circumstances.


you can use it in conjunction with perform checks and earn gold, or you can use it to gather a bunch of people so some one can mass dominate them evil grin :)


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This "power" is yet another example of hiding something behind a feat or class ability which really ought to be available to anyone, using their CHA and perhaps perform (oratory) or similar skills.

The thing that bothers me the most, is that it doesn't have a "normal" line. Anyone should be able to gather a crowd, and often enough, a crowd will form when you don't really want them too, or just aren't trying at all. I can see this class archetype getting a huge bonus to it, in various ways, but the mechanic really should be accompanied by a "normal" line showing how any Tom, Dick or Harry can try it too.


Sundakan wrote:
N N 959 wrote:
So it essentially provides no quantitative benefit. That is a head-scratching replacement for something as valuable as lore master.
It doesn't need to give raw numbers to be useful. It's certainly situational but the ability to summon dozens of hostages, witnesses, allies, pieces of human cover, etc. is very useful in the right circumstances.

As someone who only plays PFS, I can't think of a single time that I could have used this. That having been said, I can see if you play in an evil campaign, this would be much more useful. But I didn't say it wasn't "useful," I said it didn't provide a quantitative benefit.


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Wheldrake wrote:

This "power" is yet another example of hiding something behind a feat or class ability which really ought to be available to anyone, using their CHA and perhaps perform (oratory) or similar skills.

The thing that bothers me the most, is that it doesn't have a "normal" line. Anyone should be able to gather a crowd, and often enough, a crowd will form when you don't really want them too, or just aren't trying at all. I can see this class archetype getting a huge bonus to it, in various ways, but the mechanic really should be accompanied by a "normal" line showing how any Tom, Dick or Harry can try it too.

It's way too late in the game for anything this reasonable. You can't wipe your own ass without a Feat or class feature, and it takes a three Feat chain to get somebody else to do it for you.

At least it's something potentially useful.


Daw wrote:
At the very least you have a lot of witnesses if you want something made public.

Or a lot of witnesses on YOU while your buddies do some nefarious stuff 'in plain sight' since all eyes are focused elsewhere. :)


It's also a good way to mass-murder, if you're so inclined. Your Necromancer Wizard buddy is just one fireball away from a lot of raw material.

Or you can press-gang the lot of them in your militia, to fend off fireballin' Wizards and their Bard buddies.

Grand Lodge

Normally I'd just role play a great performance check for this but for some reason it has to be made a specific class ability so I guess you can't draw crowds without it.

Cast Mass Suggestion and now you have an old fashioned lynch mob.


Jader7777 wrote:

Normally I'd just role play a great performance check for this but for some reason it has to be made a specific class ability so I guess you can't draw crowds without it.

Cast Mass Suggestion and now you have an old fashioned lynch mob.

the archetype the ability comes from also has a incite mob power at 6, and a mass suggestion power with a 1 day duration


Ryan Freire wrote:
the archetype the ability comes from also has a incite mob power at 6, and a mass suggestion power with a 1 day duration

This ability is present on at least two Bard archetypes, Demagogue (the one you are obviously thinking of) and Celebrity. The Celebrity archetype does not have incite mob. Instead, it has Shining Star which is just a stronger type of fascinate. Both archetypes came out in the same book.

So while the Demagogue seems to have a mechanical reason for gathering a crowd, despite having to wait 1 level to truly benefit, the Celebrity does not. There does not seem to be any contingent benefit for the Celebrity. Shining Star is not directly benefited from Gather Growd the way Incite Mob or Righteous Cause is for the Demagogue.

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