New DUNE movie greenlit from director of ARRIVAL and BLADE RUNNER 2049

[pauljathome]

@Irontooth

I've just finished almost the first half of the book (so, pretty much the movie) and its now pretty clear that the book and the movie are significantly different in many ways. I stand by my opinion that you're basing your criticism of the movie largely on how it is different from the book, and not really on the movie as a stand alone work of art.

And that is absolutely reasonable and fine. I've most certainly done exactly the same thing for other movie adaptations of novels that I know and love.

Not being a faithful adaptation of the source material is a valid criticism. But I think that is what many of your criticisms boil down to

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I quite enjoyed the Disney 3 Musketeers movie. But ONLY because I knew in advance and had emotionally accepted that it had almost nothing whatsoever to do with The Three Musketeers book. Basically, it was a fun movie in its own right
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[Irontruth]

I haven't read the book in over 20 years, and only read it the once. I can't describe a single scene from the books that wasn't in the movie. I'm not sure how to convince you how uninvested in an accurate portrayal of the book I am.

Consider for just a moment that I am NOT a hardcore Dune fan. I enjoyed the book. I enjoyed the Lynch movie. I enjoyed the miniseries. I've enjoyed each of them once, except the Lynch movie, which I've seen probably 4 times over the past 35 years. I remember the visuals well enough I think I saw it twice as a kid, as my dad was very into sci-fi, then two more times as an adult, with one of those viewings being about a week before the most recent release. The 84 version would probably not even crack the top 200 of my favorite movies of all time. I have zero intention of rereading the book ever. I'd rather start digging into Kershaw's abridged biography of a certain someone from WW2, which is over 900 pages long, but as I'm in grad school, most of my reading is focused on career development stuff at this time.

I am not expressing emotional disappointment to you.

I am telling you aspects of the story that I thought were weak.

[Thomas Seitz]

I thought you were telling us this movie wasn't for you...

[Quark Blast]

Consensus opinion is now that, along with Dune - part 2, this will be the definitive adaptation of Herbert's book to the big screen.

[Orville Redenbacher]

Quark Blast wrote:

Consensus opinion is now that, along with Dune - part 2, this will be the definitive adaptation of Herbert's book to the big screen.

Cant wait for 15 years from now when they make it into a series again.

[JoelF847]

Quark Blast wrote:

Consensus opinion is now that, along with Dune - part 2, this will be the definitive adaptation of Herbert's book to the big screen.

I would immediately discount any opinion based on a movie which hasn't even been made yet. That might be the HOPE, but it's a foolish opinion until AFTER part 2 is out.

[Thomas Seitz]

I'm with Orville, they'll probably do a reboot in 2036.

[Quark Blast]

JoelF847 wrote:

Quark Blast wrote:

Consensus opinion is now that, along with Dune - part 2, this will be the definitive adaptation of Herbert's book to the big screen.

I would immediately discount any opinion based on a movie which hasn't even been made yet. That might be the HOPE, but it's a foolish opinion until AFTER part 2 is out.

Dune - part 2 will have:

1) The same director, creative staff and actors

2) The same budget, if not a little more

3) All the pre-production done, except casting a few new actors, plus the script already done, or mostly so, thus leaving more time for getting all the little stuff right

Ergo, the consensus opinion is far more than a mere hope and decidedly not foolish.

OTOH - you can be pleasantly surprised come October 2023.
:D

[dirtypool]

The same director, cast, producers, writers, designers and editors and a better budget is no guarantee of success, Star Trek: Into Darkness would have been better received so yes this so called “consensus opinion” is at this point just a hope as there is no completed film to judge from.

Secondly, as with so many things you say on these, you claim that there is a consensus opinion without saying where it comes from. Is there an actual consensus opinion of Dune fans that says this or is this just merely your opinion.

In Box Office News, Dune held at around 5 million which is not nearly as significant a drop as the last two weeks, but while it did lose out to The Eternals as expected - it also lost the weekends second spot to Clifford The Big Red Dog.

Domestically Dune is the 13th highest grossing movie of the year after weeks of release, while Eternals entered the list at number 8.

It’s definitely doing better Worldwide where it sits at #10, but week one of Eternals brought it in just two places away.

[Aberzombie]

Orville Redenbacher wrote:

Quark Blast wrote:

Consensus opinion is now that, along with Dune - part 2, this will be the definitive adaptation of Herbert's book to the big screen.

Cant wait for 15 years from now when they make it into a series again.

But if they wait a few more years more, they could advertise it as the 75th anniversary.

[Thomas Seitz]

A-zombie's got a point.

Dirty, nice to know the movie I WASN'T that stoked for is doing better than Dune...

[JoelF847]

Quark Blast wrote:

JoelF847 wrote:

Quark Blast wrote:

Consensus opinion is now that, along with Dune - part 2, this will be the definitive adaptation of Herbert's book to the big screen.

I would immediately discount any opinion based on a movie which hasn't even been made yet. That might be the HOPE, but it's a foolish opinion until AFTER part 2 is out.

Dune - part 2 will have:

1) The same director, creative staff and actors

2) The same budget, if not a little more

3) All the pre-production done, except casting a few new actors, plus the script already done, or mostly so, thus leaving more time for getting all the little stuff right

Ergo, the consensus opinion is far more than a mere hope and decidedly not foolish.

OTOH - you can be pleasantly surprised come October 2023.
:D

And another example of that not proving anything is Wonder Woman, which was a good movie, and Wonder Woman 84, which was an absolutely horrible movie.

[Thomas Seitz]

I mean WW 84 wasn't GREAT...but compared to Space Jam 2...it was watchable.

[dirtypool]

Yea but it wasn’t an unqualified success, despite having the same cast, director, creative team and a bigger budget which QB presented as a sure fire recipe for success.

Unlike my example of ST: Into Darkness, WW84 shows the exact danger facing Dune part 2 - Warner Execs.

[Thomas Seitz]

Lol! Yeah Warner execs are pretty butt when it comes to making sequels.

[Aberzombie]

JoelF847 wrote:

.....and Wonder Woman 84, which was an absolutely horrible movie.

Glad I'm not the only one who thought this.

[JoelF847]

Aberzombie wrote:

JoelF847 wrote:

.....and Wonder Woman 84, which was an absolutely horrible movie.

Glad I'm not the only one who thought this.

It would be a much better movie if MST3K can get the rights to riff it.

[Quark Blast]

JoelF847 wrote:

Quark Blast wrote:

JoelF847 wrote:

Quark Blast wrote:

Consensus opinion is now that, along with Dune - part 2, this will be the definitive adaptation of Herbert's book to the big screen.

I would immediately discount any opinion based on a movie which hasn't even been made yet. That might be the HOPE, but it's a foolish opinion until AFTER part 2 is out.

Dune - part 2 will have:

1) The same director, creative staff and actors

2) The same budget, if not a little more

3) All the pre-production done, except casting a few new actors, plus the script already done, or mostly so, thus leaving more time for getting all the little stuff right

Ergo, the consensus opinion is far more than a mere hope and decidedly not foolish.

OTOH - you can be pleasantly surprised come October 2023.
:D

And another example of that not proving anything is Wonder Woman, which was a good movie, and Wonder Woman 84, which was an absolutely horrible movie.

So...

Patty Jenkins = Denis Villeneuve?

Patty Jenkins, Geoff Johns, and Dave Callaham = Jon Spaihts, Denis Villeneuve, and Eric Roth?

Charles Roven, Deborah Snyder, Zack Snyder, Patty Jenkins, Gal Gadot, and Stephen Jones = Mary Parent, Denis Villeneuve, Cale Boyter, and Joe Caracciolo Jr.?

The misuse of the FX budget for WW84 = the exceptionally subtle and tasteful use of the FX budget for Dune 2021?

What the heck kind of 'logic' is that?

As I said, the consensus opinion is that DV has started on and will complete* the definitive adaptation of Herbert's Dune.

* Barring catastrophe in the next two years - like the death of a major player or a global war or an even worse pandemic.

[dirtypool]

Quark Blast wrote:

So...

Patty Jenkins = Denis Villeneuve?

No….

Patty Jenkins > Denis Villeneuve. Because she knows how to pace a film so it isn’t dreadfully flipping boring as it drags itself across its second act.

“Quark Blast” wrote:

What the heck kind of 'logic' is that?

It’s your ‘logic.’ It entered the conversation based on your criteria that having the exact same people in place as before with a bigger budget leads to a similarly successful product. WW84 is a case where that didn’t happen.

“Quark Blast” wrote:

As I said, the consensus opinion is that DV has started on and will complete* the definitive adaptation of Herbert's Dune.

Consensus opinion among whom? The other members of your personal DV or Herbert fan club? Some obscure web forum you post on?

[Tristan d'Ambrosius]

Quark Blast wrote:

As I said, the consensus opinion is that DV has started on and will complete* the definitive adaptation of Herbert's Dune.

Well, until the next adaption includes that dinner scene in the theatrical cut.

[Quark Blast]

Tristan d'Ambrosius wrote:

Quark Blast wrote:

As I said, the consensus opinion is that DV has started on and will complete* the definitive adaptation of Herbert's Dune.

Well, until the next adaption includes that dinner scene in the theatrical cut.

:D

No doubt!

[Thomas Seitz]

I agree with Joel, we need some MST3K riffing for WW 84 and maybe this movie.

[Fumarole]

To be fair, every movie should get the MST3K treatment.

[dirtypool]

I don’t think that’s true. There are a lot of movies that would be pretty difficult to riff.

12 Angry Men for example, or To Kill A Mockingbird

[Thomas Seitz]

Or Schindler's List, dirtypool.

[Quark Blast]

Looks like Dune will settle in around $375M + ~$100M for the equivalent BO amount in streaming value. So well ahead of the $400M needed for full profitability but a little behind what I'd hoped to see. Given the movie was a little longer than average, so fewer showings possible in a given time, and was hobbled by the ubiquitous virus (now going nuts again for the 4th or 5th time in the EU; though not Sweden!) and undercut by the digital hack a week before wide release and HBO streaming in major markets, it definitely exceeded the average expectations of the industry wonks. That makes it an incontrovertible win and no doubt more monies will roll in with Oscar and other film industry award noms, as well as a re-release in theaters prior to the 2022 release of Part 2.

[Tristan d'Ambrosius]

Quark Blast wrote:

Venom and No Time to Die will come in behind Villeneuve's Dune.

So this isn't happening? I mean you were so sure. Dune only needs $366,999,705 to catch No Time to Die, so effectively it needs to double where it now sits.

[Quark Blast]

Dune - Part 1...... IMDB = 8.2, RT = 90%
No Time to Die... IMDB = 7.4, RT = 88%
Venom................. IMDB = 6.3, RT = 84%

Looking solidly behind DV's latest masterpiece to me. The money was a little off, sure*, but two years from now NTtD and Venom will be the talk of no one anywhere and Dune will still be all the rage with yet more Oscar buzz etc. for Part 2.

* Full disclosure:
I also said, "It's already on a path to exceed Blade Runner 2049" in the same post. Accidentally forget to mention that? Or are you taking your debating cues from my infamous detractors now?

[Tristan d'Ambrosius]

Shifting Sands, we were talking box office you goal post mover! Whatever it's no use ever talking to you!

[dirtypool]

Quark Blast wrote:

The money was a little off, sure

A LOT off considering you had claimed it would be the highest grossing movie of the year.

“Quark Blast” wrote:

Dune will still be all the rage with yet more Oscar buzz etc. for Part 2.

It is no longer “all the rage” right now and it’s only been a few weeks.

[Quark Blast]

Tristan d'Ambrosius wrote:

Shifting Sands, we were talking box office you goal post mover! Whatever it's no use ever talking to you!

:D

IMDb Charts
Most Popular Movies
As determined by IMDb Users
Dune - Part 1...... #2 - no change from last week
No Time to Die... #5 - up 2 from last week
Venom................. #15 - up 3 from last week

Money's not everything you know?

[dirtypool]

That number represents films popularity during this week of voting, not an overall figure of the total popularity of a film through its release cycle.

IMDb explains as much on their website and it has been explained to you before in instances where you have tried to pivot to IMDb numbers when your original prediction failed you.

Meanwhile in real numbers - it’s total domestic take dropped another 44% as it dropped to fifth place. Still performing under Clifford: The Big Red Dog, and King Richard which has actual Oscar buzz.

[Tristan d'Ambrosius]

But money was the basis of the discussion.

[Thomas Seitz]

So does anyone think that we'll get more dialogue for Dave Baustisa in the next movie?

[Orville Redenbacher]

Thomas Seitz wrote:

So does anyone think that we'll get more dialogue for Dave Baustisa in the next movie?

Most definitely. I cant wait to watch him fail at running Arrakis.

[Quark Blast]

Tristan d'Ambrosius wrote:

But money was the basis of the discussion.

Well, yeah, and more things are money than mere box office take.

[Quark Blast]

Thomas Seitz wrote:

So does anyone think that we'll get more dialogue for Dave Baustisa in the next movie?

Sure, if by more dialogue you mean more angry shouting.

:D

[dirtypool]

Quark Blast wrote:

Well, yeah, and more things are money than mere box office take.

IMDB popularity this week and Rotten Tomatoes scores do not equate to any dollar value, so using them to try to tell Tristan that you’re still somehow correct when you in fact ended up being dead wrong is what we would call disingenuous.

[Tristan d'Ambrosius]

Quark Blast wrote:

Tristan d'Ambrosius wrote:

But money was the basis of the discussion.

Well, yeah, and more things are money than mere box office take.

Well, no.

[Thomas Seitz]

Orville Redenbacher wrote:

Thomas Seitz wrote:

So does anyone think that we'll get more dialogue for Dave Baustisa in the next movie?

Most definitely. I cant wait to watch him fail at running Arrakis.

I just wonder if he'll pull in some Drax too. Also QB, not exactly what I meant...

[Quark Blast]

Tristan d'Ambrosius wrote:

Quark Blast wrote:

Tristan d'Ambrosius wrote:

But money was the basis of the discussion.

Well, yeah, and more things are money than mere box office take.

Well, no.

No, yes!

Look, it's as simple as this tutorial here.
:D

Venom 2 has box office, a little bit from BluRay/HD4k and then a micro bit from all the misc stuff that studio people make money from over the coming years until the copyright goes *blip*. Same with NTtD, only the sack of loot is no doubt a little phatter than for V2 because monstrous legacy property effects and "blond Bond"'s swan song appeal.

Dune - Part 1 still has double-digit percentages to make. In no small part because Dune - Part 2 is on the way but also because this is the beginning of a new franchise. DV's Dune is what people call an "instant classic", and not from it being quirky weird film making but because it is a stellar piece of art in every respect.

[Quark Blast]

Thomas Seitz wrote:

Orville Redenbacher wrote:

Thomas Seitz wrote:

So does anyone think that we'll get more dialogue for Dave Baustisa in the next movie?

Most definitely. I cant wait to watch him fail at running Arrakis.

I just wonder if he'll pull in some Drax too. Also QB, not exactly what I meant...

:D

I think DV will put Bautista through his paces. He was selected with a focused purpose and DV won't waste him. You'll see, it'll be great!

[dirtypool]

“Quark Blast” wrote:

DV's Dune is what people call an "instant classic"

Not a lot of people seem to be calling it that, and even less people seem to care.

There’s this fairly well known business concept called the law of diminishing returns, you might have heard of it.

[Tristan d'Ambrosius]

Um, more is more. Needs to double to catch No Time to Die.

[Thomas Seitz]

Right now I suggest we let QB have his moments. It might be kinder in the long run. But regardless, if DV does help Dave improve his acting skills, that's for the best in my book.

[Tristan d'Ambrosius]

Um, no to the first. Sure to the second.

[Quark Blast]

Thomas Seitz wrote:

Right now I suggest we let QB have his moments. It might be kinder in the long run. But regardless, if DV does help Dave improve his acting skills, that's for the best in my book.

Thanks Thomas. And for the record, it's kinder in the short run too!

:D

[Tristan d'Ambrosius]

Still with the no

[Quark Blast]

Still looking good:
Dune makes AFI's Top 10 List!

[dirtypool]

A pretty good showing for the 13th/10th* Highest Grossing film of the year so far.

*Domestic/International.