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Hi, I've been working on trying to visualize what spellcaster niches aren't covered yet (like, for example, there are no spontaneous 4-level arcane Int casters) and I have a Google Sheet with some raw data in it.
I would appreciate any corrections or additions. I'm especially weak on knowledge of archetypes that change casting.
Spontaneous Cha Psychic 9th level caster: Sorcerer with Psychic Bloodline
If you consider arcanist both prepared and spontaneous, a "blood arcanist" archetype arcanist with the psychic bloodline could technically count as an intelligence based prepared psychic caster.
Prepared Int Arcane 4th level: Fighter with the "Child of acavna and Amaznen" archetype.
The Eldritch Scion magus archetype is a spontaneous spellcaster.
Other than that, the list seems fine. I can't think of any other odd exceptions.
Reliquarian occultist from Occult Origins is also an Int-based divine caster.
Feyspeaker druid is a prepared divine CHA caster.
There was a time when the Vigilante Zealot (playtest version) was a CHA based prepared 6-level caster.
The Warlock and Cabalist are 6 level arcane prepared casters, the Magical Child is a 6 level spontaneous arcane caster, and the Zealot is another 6-level spontaneous divine caster.
Ranger is WIS based, unless you count the Dandy which is sort or arcane because it uses an arcane list but might still technically be divine.
Wow, don't know how I had ranger wrong, should be fixed and Dandy added.
Sorry to spam but research shows the dandy is spontaneous.
Tortured Crusader is a paladin archetype that uses WIS to cast.
I believe there's a bard archetype somewhere that uses INT (other than questioner) but I can't find it atm.
The mindblade is a spontaneous INT based psychic casting archetype of the magus.
Technically the Antipaladin is another 4 level divine caster based on CHA.
That's all I've found so far.
Fractured Mind Spiritualist lets them use Cha instead of Wis. (Charisma gets all the love)
Id rager is a 4 level psychic caster.
Good to see some free and organized spellcaster design spaces out there. ;)
Fey trickster mesmerist: divine, 6-level, cha, spontaneous
Onmyoji spiritualist: divine, 6-level, wis, spontaneous
Eldritch scoundrel rogue: arcane, 6-level, int, prepared
Edit: you've got the rogue but you misnamed it as Eldritch Guardian (a non-casting fighter archetype)
Also while a medium is sometimes a 4-level psychic caster, they can change that when they bind the hierophant or archmage spirits.
Spirit channeller mediums can use wis or cha for casting (chosen at level 1.)
Seducer (Witch): Cha-based spontaneous 9th level arcane.
Psychic Detective (Investigator): int-based spantaneous 6th level psychic.
Jinyiwei (Investigator): wis-based spontaneous 6th level divine.
Argh, I meant to write "prepared"!
I don't know if this is in the document or not, but it's an interesting on. Blood arcanist with the psychic bloodline, 9 levels of prepared/sudospontaneous int based psychic casting.
Sworn of the Eldest (inquisitor archetype) is cha instead of wis
I thought I had another one, but arcanist fails to work with the Empyreal bloodline either though Blood Arcanist archetype (which doesn't allow you to select wildblooded bloodlines) and because of the way it's worded, taking a one level dip in sorcerer also doesn't work even with the bloodline development exploit. (something that does work with 90% of bloodlines wild or otherwise because the last line of the exploit makes it work differently then normal if you already have a bloodline when you take the exploit.)
I could be wrong about not being able to pick wild bloodlines with the blood arcanist archetype, but that's what I recall being stated somewhere. If you are allowed to pick empyreal then it would let an arcanist use wisdom making it the only prepared arcane caster to date that uses wisdom.
Is there a "spontaneous druid spells" caster?
Nope, not yet. Would be pretty sweet, though.
There's one sort of, the original enlightened bloodrager. Spontaneous casting charisma based bloodrager and druid spell list up to level 4 is available. One of my favorite archetype even if it's probably underpowerd compared to the base class.
And there's the hunter of course, druid list up to level 6.
And there's the hunter of course, druid list up to level 6.
The Hunter ALSO gets the Ranger list up to level 4 AND gets to use the lesser of the spell levels when a spell shows up on both lists. Level one Resist Energy anyone?
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Does anyone else think it's a little odd that a Hunter is spontaneous when its a hybrid of 2 prepared classes?
Well I've said it before and others have too so once more won't hurt!
A 1/2 BAB D6 divine caster has always been the glaring omission IMO. Aside from filling a niche it would have made designing the PF1 cleric a lot easier as there wouldn't be the underlying sense of confusion/gishness as to what the hell it was trying to be! The cleric from the start should've been something similar to what the Warpriest is now.
Would have made things nice, tidy and linear!
Rather disagree Doc, The traditionally weaker and less versatile cleric spell list would mean your half BAB d6' divine caster is rather at a significant disadvantage to its arcane counterpart. Or are you suggesting them using the same spell lists like hermetics and shamanics in Shadowrun?
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Rather disagree Doc, The traditionally weaker and less versatile cleric spell list would mean your half BAB d6' divine caster is rather at a significant disadvantage to its arcane counterpart. Or are you suggesting them using the same spell lists like hermetics and shamanics in Shadowrun?
Remember you would be comparing classes (ie D6 arcane vs D6 divine) and not just their respective spell lists. The D6 divine could have the 1-9 divine list and be absolutely fine, even though it is overall inferior to the arcane.
A D6 divine would be balanced in many other ways, possible examples could be:
- Keeps a strong Fort save
- Expanded domain options with full prepared casting (ie no domain slots)
- WIS to AC a la monk (assuming a D6 divine would have non-metal armour + no shield only?)
- A divine point pool. Points could be used for buffs.. etc. Channeling would be a D8 divine only thing
- 4 or 6 +INT skill points per level to help keep MADness down
- Bonus feats
There are all kinds of ways a D6 divine class could be fleshed out. Some of the above would be a simple but effective start, but you could then start to get creative when it came to archetypes.
D6 divine = cleric D8 divine = warpriest D10 divine = paladin
Job done!
The same data as a filterable list. Less readable but more searchable IMO.
A few more which I included in the above
Hag-haunted spiritualist (6, arcane, Wis, spont.)
Involutionist spiritualist (6, divine, Wis, spont.)
Silksworn occultist (6, arcane, Int, spont.)
Bard (Filidh, UW pg 40), Divine 6 level spontaneous cha casting, from the bard list.
Don't remember the name correctly, but wasn't there also something like a divine bard archetype who cast actual cleric spells. I think it was something like singer of praise?
Anyway awesome work, just what I needed for finding options for my next character.
Many thanks to all of you!
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You're probably thinking of Faith Singer, who can cast domain spells as SLAs. The only other result for an AoN search for "bard +cleric" is Arcane Healer, which only gets Channel Energy.
Your google foo is strong ;-)
Thank you, that's the one I was referring to. I thought it had different mechanics though.
It's cool to see all this information in one spot.
Your google foo is strong ;-)
Nope, but my AoN-fu is!