Hello all.
Something about gaseous form popped to mind, and it seems fun in theory, but i'd like to know to what extend it could be possible.
Suppose, theoretically speaking, i enter another creature or person's longues, via the nose or mouth. In that aspect, it seems like getting through a small tube or a crack in a thick wall.
In the spell description it says:
It can pass through small holes or narrow openings, even mere cracks, with all it was wearing or holding in its hands, as long as the spell persists.
Following the above, what would happen, if i were to dismiss the spell while inside the creature/person's gullet?
Would i reform, and blow open his chest?
Or would i be fated to turn into a long substance of flesh blocking his gullet?
Thanks.
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The spell was not intended to be used that way so there are no rules on how it would work. Whenever you come up with something like this it really falls on the GM to come up with a solution.
Balance matters a lot for the game so the GM and players dont use things the devs didnt think of to unbalance the game.
I would say that you are expelled before completely forming. <---Not a rule, but that is how I would do it. It keeps a low level spell confined to its power level, and it stops the NPC from doing it to PC's since the games uses the same rules for PC's and NPC's.
I can understand that, i was just curious about this.
On the other hand, could it be used in this manner to hitch a ride, so to speak, for spying purposes for example?
Tricky spell to adjudicate. I might give a chance to notice you and keep you out, too, if you're trying to get into someone's face. I'm not sure what dice I would use but it doesn't make you invisible, so the target would have a chance to resist or avoid the attack, much as I would give her or him a chance to avoid inhaling smoke or vapor.
I can understand that, i was just curious about this.
On the other hand, could it be used in this manner to hitch a ride, so to speak, for spying purposes for example?
Using the spell to hide inside a person is beyond the intended use of the spell, so to even allow that is up to the GM. It's not a bad idea if he will allow it. I just want you to be prepared for it he does not allow it.
If this is PFS it will likely not be allowed.
Given how dense you'd have to pack yourself inside a person's lungs, that would be like trying to sneak in as the contents of a fully presurrised helium tank.
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I don't see anything in the spell description that overrides the general rule against ending your movement in an occupied square so I don't see how this can even be attempted.
There are a few issues. The most important is balance, which you're not going to get around.
Next up, the wording say you can fit through small cracks, not that you can fit into a small volume. You simply aren't going to fit inside somebody else without a couple size categories between you.
For a more mechanical answer, you cannot generally occupy the same space as another creature without meeting some rather specific conditions.
Even if your GM allows the dismiss-inside trick, you're going to be taking nearly as much unpleasantness.
If you actually want to do this, Formless Adept Psychic gets a gaseous possession ability.
I like a combination of Drahliana and Wraithstrike's answers.
Unless you can fit entirely inside the creature's lungs uncompressed you won't be able to fit in in the first place. If you are large enough then as soon as you start to reform you will be sneezed out (you are still subject to wind) and that assumes the GM doesn't rule the exhaling creature's breath isn't forceful enough to keep you out in the first place.
I like a combination of Drahliana and Wraithstrike's answers.
Unless you can fit entirely inside the creature's lungs uncompressed you won't be able to fit in in the first place. If you are large enough then as soon as you start to reform you will be sneezed out (you are still subject to wind) and that assumes the GM doesn't rule the exhaling creature's breath isn't forceful enough to keep you out in the first place.
Again, I have to ask how the character can get inside the creature without ending their movement in an occupied square.
Gisher is correct, you cannot end your movement in an occupied square.
Yup, Gisher has the key rule for this issue.
gaseous form doesn't change a creature's size, it merely makes your shape extremely fluid, permitting movement through spaces that typically wouldn't be large enough. Even if you find an ability that permits ending movement in another creature's space, size matters. A Medium creature can't fit in the same volume as another Medium creature, even if one of them is gaseous. Square maybe, volume no. Even if you both find an ability that permits ending in an occupied space and start picking on larger creatures, that's when the utility of such a tactic diminishes. Taking the swallow whole ability as a guideline, it'd be likely that the ex-gaseous creature will take damage if they solidify within a larger creature. Getting out also becomes an issue.
Clever idea, but no, this spell is not a Win Button.
I really wish people would stop trying to telefrag in these kinds of games.
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Roll a fort save to sneeze.
The person in gaseous form is affected by a bullrush of 10f.
Again, I have to ask how the character can get inside the creature without ending their movement in an occupied square.I like a combination of Drahliana and Wraithstrike's answers.
Unless you can fit entirely inside the creature's lungs uncompressed you won't be able to fit in in the first place. If you are large enough then as soon as you start to reform you will be sneezed out (you are still subject to wind) and that assumes the GM doesn't rule the exhaling creature's breath isn't forceful enough to keep you out in the first place.
I agree with you. However, wherever possible I try to find a reason that fits with the 'simulation' rather than it breaking a gameplay convenience, such as the 5 foot grid or the turn based play.
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Most creatures breath oxygen, not gaseous people. If you were to attempt this, then the target's lungs would reject you, causing a coughing fit and preventing you from entering the lungs in any meaningful manner. I would treat this the same way as an attempt to strangle someone with your bare hands.
Most creatures breath oxygen, not gaseous people. If you were to attempt this, then the target's lungs would reject you, causing a coughing fit and preventing you from entering the lungs in any meaningful manner. I would treat this the same way as an attempt to strangle someone with your bare hands.
I'm dissapointed in you RD. I expected you to come up with a Witch's Hex named... Breathe People. :)
I'm not too big on house rules where none are needed.