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Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:If I remember correctly there was this rpg called "TORG" which was a good answer to this question.
It's relevant because for a Pathfinder "invasion" of our world, it would like TORG, have to be accompanied by some serious changes in how physics works.
This throws a bit of a kink into thejeff's rosy scenario, as such a mixing would probably be the fall of our civilisation due to the disruption of commerce and the breakdown of the power grid... which is a pretty delicate house of cards.
Wow, TORG. "Now that's a name I've not heard in a long time. A long time."
( An extra 300 XP for knowing who said that quote and the movie it came from. Come on, step up. )
I think my uncle knows
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Goblin_Priest wrote:How are you getting around the range limit? I doubt the defense systems are tuned for identifying only within 800' of the launch site? For that matter, major image lacks the (object) tag, so the systems will just ignore it.1 word: nukes
The government has no anti-magic protection, and even if it started getting them at the same pace as others got magic capacities, if it's current performances are of any indicator, there will be much left to be desired and ill-intended people will most certainly get access to them. Be it the US', Russia's, Pakistan, or anyone else's, nukes are gonna get in the wrong hands.
Or, you know, not even that. An illusion of nukes heading from Russia to the US, and/or vice versa, would also be quite capable of provoking legitimate governments from deploying the real things. Perhaps an illusion of nukes heading from North Korea and/or Iran would be more believable than Russia or the US randomly going full berserk though. :P
For the illusions? Please, be creative a little. ;)
There's also shadow conjuration which is part real.
Stealing nukes and fooling people into thinking they have been used are but two means of provoking nuclear Armageddon. Assuming teleportation+invisibility+fly (or really just 2 of those 3), pretty much any magical school can be used to provoke it. Evocation to just blast at nukes or their safety systems, divination to get the nuclear codes, enchantment to make someone deploy them... If you can't think of methods to use magic to provoke the detonation of nukes or meltdown of power plants, you really lack imagination.
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I don't have it on hand, but when earth was visited in the Baba Yaga AP the trench fighters working with Rasputin were I think level 6 or something.
So a trained well prepared military force would probably not start at level one, but may have a CR range of 5-10.
I remember there being a reason why they were so high CR.
Personally, I don't see the great majority being higher than a 1st level Warrior. You're still proficient with all types of weapons and are still a good shot. I mean, hell, a 1st level warrior with a long bow, 15 dex, and far shot can hit a fine object (like a penny) from 1,000 ft. away 55% of the time. That's pretty impressive.
Edit: It's 40%, not 55%. 45% if it's masterwork. Sorry. Still pretty good, though.
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"Now that's a name I've not heard in a long time. A long time."
( An extra 300 XP for knowing who said that quote and the movie it came from. Come on, step up. )
Since it has been over an hour, the answer, class, is Ben "Obi-wan" Kenobi from Star Wars Episode 4. Nobody gets the bonus XP.
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MMCJawa wrote:I don't have it on hand, but when earth was visited in the Baba Yaga AP the trench fighters working with Rasputin were I think level 6 or something.
So a trained well prepared military force would probably not start at level one, but may have a CR range of 5-10.
I remember there being a reason why they were so high CR.
Personally, I don't see the great majority being higher than a 1st level Warrior. You're still proficient with all types of weapons and are still a good shot. I mean, hell, a 1st level warrior with a long bow, 15 dex, and far shot can hit a fine target (like a penny) from 1,000 ft. away 55% of the time. That's pretty impressive.
Post World War I.
The Sideromancer |
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John Napier 698 wrote:Since it has been over an hour, the answer, class, is Ben "Obi-wan" Kenobi from Star Wars Episode 4. Nobody gets the bonus XP."Now that's a name I've not heard in a long time. A long time."
( An extra 300 XP for knowing who said that quote and the movie it came from. Come on, step up. )
Obi-wan "Ben" Kenobi.
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To my knowledge, the knights have no other interaction with Antioch, whatever Antioch is. It's possible that Antioch refers to a place capable of producing several more similar weapons, but it's also possible Antioch refers to something else.
Antioch was a city in the Middle East. In Turkey, I think.
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John Napier 698 wrote:Obi-wan "Ben" Kenobi.John Napier 698 wrote:Since it has been over an hour, the answer, class, is Ben "Obi-wan" Kenobi from Star Wars Episode 4. Nobody gets the bonus XP."Now that's a name I've not heard in a long time. A long time."
( An extra 300 XP for knowing who said that quote and the movie it came from. Come on, step up. )
That, too. Since Obi-wan was first, I'll grant 150 XP. Deducted half for still being late.
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Wei Ji the Learner wrote:Oops. sorry about that. Post deleted
The Raven Black, please do not bring that here. The admins are already cracking down on anything that whiffs of political intent, and this thread was blessedly free of that sort of thing. Thank you.
We forgive you. :)
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I'm also curious if nations that don't have as much infrastructure might paradoxically fare *better* in the event of such an emergence of Pathfinder entities and structures (magic).
Alternatively, would other nation-states have issues due to having too much population?
Well, outsiders that can shapechange would have an easier time hiding. A Succubus could disguise the cause-of-death of her victims by energy draining residents of communities suffering from epidemics, and so on...
EDIT: spelling and punctuation correction.
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John Napier 698 wrote:Since it has been over an hour, the answer, class, is Ben "Obi-wan" Kenobi from Star Wars Episode 4. Nobody gets the bonus XP."Now that's a name I've not heard in a long time. A long time."
( An extra 300 XP for knowing who said that quote and the movie it came from. Come on, step up. )
You missed my earlier post. Perhaps it was too subtle.
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At present I do a lot of solo traveling. In the scenario described in this thread, I would have to quit doing that. After all, "Never split the party!"
John Napier 698 |
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John Napier 698 wrote:You missed my earlier post. Perhaps it was too subtle.John Napier 698 wrote:Since it has been over an hour, the answer, class, is Ben "Obi-wan" Kenobi from Star Wars Episode 4. Nobody gets the bonus XP."Now that's a name I've not heard in a long time. A long time."
( An extra 300 XP for knowing who said that quote and the movie it came from. Come on, step up. )
Yes, you're right. Morning caffeine hadn't kicked in yet. Very well, you get the remaining 150 XP.
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David knott 242 wrote:"What? We split the party? Oh, man. We are so screwed!"At present I do a lot of solo traveling. In the scenario described in this thread, I would have to quit doing that. After all, "Never split the party!"
"Let's split up. We can be spread over more ground that way."
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quibblemuch wrote:"And notice especially how the blood and gore avoids soiling his freshy dry-cleaned clothing."Wei Ji the Learner wrote:
"Death Vagrant" is so much classier."Are you... is he... is he holding out his pinkies while wielding that greatsword?!"
"I believe so, yes."
"How refined."
"His pocket square was chosen to perfect accentuate that blood red. Not too matchy-matchy, but really on point. Clearly he went to one of the better Death Vagrancy schools."
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John Napier 698 wrote:"Let's split up. We can be spread over more ground that way."David knott 242 wrote:"What? We split the party? Oh, man. We are so screwed!"At present I do a lot of solo traveling. In the scenario described in this thread, I would have to quit doing that. After all, "Never split the party!"
"No! No! Not that way!" *hears screams in the distance* "Run!"
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John Napier 698 wrote:"His pocket square was chosen to perfect accentuate that blood red. Not too matchy-matchy, but really on point. Clearly he went to one of the better Death Vagrancy schools."quibblemuch wrote:"And notice especially how the blood and gore avoids soiling his freshy dry-cleaned clothing."Wei Ji the Learner wrote:
"Death Vagrant" is so much classier."Are you... is he... is he holding out his pinkies while wielding that greatsword?!"
"I believe so, yes."
"How refined."
"Top of his class, I heard. And from a family of European Aristocrats, no less."
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quibblemuch wrote:"Top of his class, I heard. And from a family of European Aristocrats, no less."John Napier 698 wrote:"His pocket square was chosen to perfect accentuate that blood red. Not too matchy-matchy, but really on point. Clearly he went to one of the better Death Vagrancy schools."quibblemuch wrote:"And notice especially how the blood and gore avoids soiling his freshy dry-cleaned clothing."Wei Ji the Learner wrote:
"Death Vagrant" is so much classier."Are you... is he... is he holding out his pinkies while wielding that greatsword?!"
"I believe so, yes."
"How refined."
"European?"
"From Europe. You remember--that place that got flooded during the Aboleth War."
"Ah yes. Quite the shame that. Still, he's holding up manfully for someone whose ancestral estate is in the hands of fish monsters from the deep."
"Fins."
"Beg pardon?"
"In the fins of fish monsters. You had said hands."
"Did I? How uncooth. Must be all the California wine."
"Dreadful vintage, dreadful. But what are you going to do? We lost the Aboleth War and with it, the grapes of Bordeaux..."
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Bandw2 wrote:True, but it doesn't produce enough current to be useful, unless you connect a great many such generators in parallel. Even then, it will be Direct Current, which limits the distance that the power could be transmitted.UnArcaneElection wrote:you only need a temperature of a few kelvin to make a generator use that temperature difference... besides it's hot enough to burn you, that's plenty enough heat to use.^I don't think Heat Metal gets THAT hot. But it sure would be nice to have one of those rods in my apartment to save on electric bills in the winter (would need a way to turn it off and preferably reverse its function during the summer . . .).
it makes rotational force... which can make AC or be turned into AC.
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If I remember correctly there was this rpg called "TORG" which was a good answer to this question.
It's relevant because for a Pathfinder "invasion" of our world, it would like TORG, have to be accompanied by some serious changes in how physics works.
This throws a bit of a kink into thejeff's rosy scenario, as such a mixing would probably be the fall of our civilisation due to the disruption of commerce and the breakdown of the power grid... which is a pretty delicate house of cards.
if there' a fundamental change in the laws that stop how electricity works, don't worry about dying to demons you'll just die immediately.
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John Napier 698 wrote:
Or, possibly even higher, given the state of the world as it is currently. Also, since we're talking Pathfinder, does that mean that those of us who play become "expert" sages?"No General. That's a Balor, Your rifles won't touch it, but tank rounds will."
"You'll want to have the Chaplain bless them for full effectiveness before firing, though."
New MBT role created: Weapon Blessing Technician
i mentioned this earlier, it's a new squad role in the U.S. military, who just holds onto wants and s$!+.
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The Sideromancer wrote:The bullets aren't going to be reused. Just blanch them on the assembly line.I meant the possibility of them shattering while still in the barrel. Very detrimental to both the weapon and the soldier.
load them in like buckshot or use coldiron tips/cores with better metals stabilizing the rounds. I'm assuming that cold iron isn't just plain normal iron...
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The Sideromancer wrote:To my knowledge, the knights have no other interaction with Antioch, whatever Antioch is. It's possible that Antioch refers to a place capable of producing several more similar weapons, but it's also possible Antioch refers to something else.Antioch was a city in the Middle East. In Turkey, I think.
it's along the coast near the border of modern day Turkey and Syria if anyone cares. I only know this because it was one of the seats of the pentarchy.
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Somewhere I did a thing where I tried to mathematically break down NPC levels by age (Pathfinder being very much NOT 1st Ed AD&D). It came out to something like this...
At 16ish you're level one. Barring any actual "adventuring" you gain a level through your day job and day-to-day activities about every 10 years, ending up withe between 4-5 levels by the time you hit retirement age. Granted, these are frequently in NPC classes (commoner, expert) but they exist.
Furthermore, you can add a level based on your level of education - 1 more for undergrad/trade school, one for an MS, one for a PhD. You can argue whether these levels are transferable to actual PC levels (chemist = alchemist, musician = bard, etc...)
This doesn't take into account any special training, like a navy seal having levels in Brawler, fighter or slayer.
But the point is that there's a definite correlation between age / work experience and class level. And thanks to Ultimate Campaign, we can retrain!
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John Napier 698 wrote:Or, freelance troubleshooter.
Q: What do troubleshooters do?
A: We shoot trouble, with very large guns.
Question, do you shoot AT trouble with your guns, or do you shoot trouble FROM your guns?
Just saying. A watershooter shoots water.
I believe the correct answer to that question is "both">
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lemeres wrote:I believe the correct answer to that question is "both">John Napier 698 wrote:Or, freelance troubleshooter.
Q: What do troubleshooters do?
A: We shoot trouble, with very large guns.
Question, do you shoot AT trouble with your guns, or do you shoot trouble FROM your guns?
Just saying. A watershooter shoots water.
"Are you going to sic dogs on me? Or bees? Or dogs with bees in their mouths and when they bark at you they shoot bees?"
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John Napier 698 wrote:
True, but being an "Independent Mercenary" will pay the bills.
I wonder if there'd be a return of 'trade unions/guilds' based on adventuring skills.
"Yep, we're Adventurers Bonded 27. We represent the interests of adventurers for this here county, inasmuch as some unscrupulous rulers have tried to take advantage of the hard work folks do without providing proper pay."
EDIT: Come to think of it, 'salvage' would probably be a part of any pay compensation package...
The clerics of Abadar would add a paragraph to the contract that any object "bad for business" would be traded in for a true res. performed when necessary. Nukes, magical or otherwise, are bad for business.
The Vatican probably has a lot of these.
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lemeres wrote:I believe the correct answer to that question is "both">John Napier 698 wrote:Or, freelance troubleshooter.
Q: What do troubleshooters do?
A: We shoot trouble, with very large guns.
Question, do you shoot AT trouble with your guns, or do you shoot trouble FROM your guns?
Just saying. A watershooter shoots water.
Depends on who's paying. And for what.
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John Napier 698 wrote:Wei Ji the Learner wrote:
"Death Vagrant" is so much classier.Or, freelance troubleshooter.
Q: What do troubleshooters do?
A: We shoot trouble, with very large guns.
And only the PARANOID survive . . . .
It's not paranoia if the multiverse really is out to get you.
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Do the denizens of any given world/plane treat visitors from other places as if they were visiting "tourist traps?"
"I visited the Abyss and all I got was this shirt."
Tourism in Hell make you think it is the bestest place in the afterlife, then you go "live" there, and, well...
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John Napier 698 wrote:Tourism in Hell make you think it is the bestest place in the afterlife, then you go "live" there, and, well...Do the denizens of any given world/plane treat visitors from other places as if they were visiting "tourist traps?"
"I visited the Abyss and all I got was this shirt."
First layer of Hell is a giant amusement park staffed by the petitioners.