Among other things, it fundamentally changes the relationship between player and GM, making it more like Customer and (unpaid!) Customer Service Representative. It means that Players have rights like Customers do, and it means the world that the GMs are running was not created by them and in principle, the PFSGMs should not have any personal agenda except to encourage everybody to buy the books and have a great time, never to look for excuses to re-interpret the rules to ruin player characters.A customers rights are spelled out pretty clearly - to return goods for exchange or refund when they are not fit for purpose. That's it.Right. They would like my money. I would like reliable product.
Yes but you have the opportunity to see that product before you buy. There is no way you can claim the books aren't fit for purpose.
Caveat Emptor. "Let the buyer beware"
Nobody forces you to buy this stuff.
seeing Zon Kuthon as LN is basically taking a non-orthodox approach to worship of the god. The main faith could see you as a hapless sucker, someone to be enlightened into the true faith, or a dangerous heretic and blasphemer needing to be killed.
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Swift to pop out the medlance, Move to use potion (enlarge person) and still a standard action left to attack
I'm curious: why did you take Potion Glutton if you already could down a potion via a swift and move? after taking Potion Glutton, you can now do it for... a move and a swift? I don't get it...
And... are medlance standard PFS access? (just curious here... haven't played PFS in years, and tech items are certainly not standard equipment in most campaigns)
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Swift to pop out the medlance, Move to use potion (enlarge person) and still a standard action left to attackI'm curious: why did you take Potion Glutton if you already could down a potion via a swift and move? after taking Potion Glutton, you can now do it for... a move and a swift? I don't get it...
And... are medlance standard PFS access? (just curious here... haven't played PFS in years, and tech items are certainly not standard equipment in most campaigns)
The answer to your second answers your first. Though I'll take the long approach ;). I made the character for two reasons, I wanted a deity with a x4 weapon and Urgathoa fit that. The second was that Potion Glutton just seemed like an awesome fit so that was the plan from the beginning.
To your second question, no, medlances are not legal for PFS. One of the first scenarios I played was from a specific early scenario in season 6. Season 6 was basically "year of the robot". That scenario did make a single medlance available, but it only had a limited number of uses before it was gone and was irreplaceable. So on that character, even though the one medlance I was able to find still had some uses left, it fit the character better to take Potion Glutton as it had been planned that way all along. And since the medlance was a limited resource and Potion Glutton wasn't, it still allowed me to do what I wanted to do.
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You may not be evil, but I would be very wary of someone who prays nightly to a goddess of pestilence, plague and gluttony. I mean, if the goddess is undeniably evil - as Urgathoa and many others are - and you consider that being worthy of worship - then what does that say about you. If your worship is literally granting power to an evil deity.
Have you seen the picture they have for Urgathoa? It's a naked woman with skeleton legs instead of normal legs. It's basically a mermaid variant. I can totally picture certain shallow individuals worshiping Urgathoa just because they think she's attractive. Not everyone seeks the same thing in a religious congregation.
Beyond that, I'm not entirely sure there's an official connection between worshiping a deity and your worship granting the deity power. I can certainly see why some characters may believe that, but that is another belief, not a rules mechanic. Personally, sounds like a bit of propaganda to make good characters more able to kill followers of other deities.
At one point, I did a true neutral Druid of Urgathoa. Disease, pestilence, and gluttony are certainly nature-related concepts. I took the Vermin Heart feat (since pestilence means vermin, usually). I had a scythe (normal druid weapon option). Personality, my druid leaned towards an "only the tough survive" attitude, but he'd still aid the dying and contribute to the party. It was fun and wasn't disruptive to the group.
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Beyond that, I'm not entirely sure there's an official connection between worshiping a deity and your worship granting the deity power. I can certainly see why some characters may believe that, but that is another belief, not a rules mechanic. Personally, sounds like a bit of propaganda to make good characters more able to kill followers of other deities.
There isn't for normal Pathfinder (outside of specific classes like clerics/paladins/etc). But PFS has a houserule that if you have a feat/ability/trait/whatever that requires you to worship a deity as a prereq, then your alignment has to be within one step of that deity's alignment.
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since the medlance was a limited resource and Potion Glutton wasn't, it still allowed me to do what I wanted to do.
Ah, makes sense. Thanks for bringing up the medlance, as I was unaware of that item before. Limited use sure, but incredibly cheap (500gp for 10 uses) which means in a setting that has a feat like Potion Glutton, and touts tech items as rare, a GM with homecampaign would be wise not to open access tech items. I.e. Medlance + Wrist Sheath makes Potion Glutton *and* Accelerated Drinker irrelevant, if I remember the respective action economies correctly...
Caveat Emptor. "Let the buyer beware"By the way, the 1890s called. They want their morally indefensible notions back.
If you buy a work of fiction and don't like the quality of the writing you don't get to demand a refund. Sorry, Sale of Goods legislation doesn't work like that. Trying to claim rights for a product you are not buying, that is provided voluntarily is very odd behaviour. Do you actually speak like that at PFS events?
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Wow, this is sure spiraling....
Uragathoa is a legal PFS deity for players to take. As mentioned, the only PFS legal alignment for a player who worships of Uragathoa is Neutral.
Regarding Worship vs evil actions, I'm sorry, but it's not the same thing. You can worship whatever you want and it doesn't translate into evil actions. You aren't evil just because you worship something evil. Just like worshiping a good deity doesn't make you a good person. Your actions define you, not your beliefs.
Mind you, some forms of worship may result in others thinking you are an idiot.
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GMs like that are a customer service issue for the company. They are a product quality control issue for the company.
Actually GMs or Players asserting that they are the only people authorized to interpret words are not a problem for Paizo. It's a problem for the one unwilling to understand they have an issue.
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@scott: I think if you stop replying, he'll probably stop being a troll. Seems like you are getting heated on this one, so might be a good time to take a step back and breath.
And, as an aside, the people online care way more about RAW related debates than any person I've met in person at a PFS session. In person, players mostly just want to play and express themselves creatively. Personally, I like being able to resolve rules debates online, so I can play offline without getting into debates there.
Regarding the topic, the PFS rules are pretty clear that you can use the feat if you have the source material and meet the requirements. The local PFS GMs are not allowed to ban your use of PFS legal material and you can certainly make a case online if issues arise in person.
That said, the GM can still interpret your feat how they think it is meant to read, which is where the table variation issues arise.
Regarding the actual feat, it seems clear cut that the feat is intended to make move action AoO provoking potion/elixir drinking into a swift action that doesn't provoke. Expect table variant on any attempts to make the feat do anything beyond this (which I can see good arguments for).
I'm not and I haven't, so that keeps that simple. I can look objectively at your demands for 'players rights' and recognize it as unreasonable. It sounds like you have a real axe to grind about PFS officials. I suggest you register your specific complaints where DMs have treated you unfairly to the relevant officials in the local structure.
I usually try and avoid being too definitive on here because quite often I am discussing my opinion. However, I assure you that Pathfinder is without a shadow of a doubt 100% a work of fiction!
I am also absolutely certain that you have no legal consumer right to force Paizo the company to allow you to use Potion Glutton as you want to in PFS game. It is an unfortunate trend in this day and age that people talk a lot about their rights, and so much about their responsibilities.
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I'm not and I haven't, so that keeps that simple. I can look objectively at your demands for 'players rights' and recognize it as unreasonable. It sounds like you have a real axe to grind about PFS officials. I suggest you register your specific complaints where DMs have treated you unfairly to the relevant officials in the local structure.
I usually try and avoid being too definitive on here because quite often I am discussing my opinion. However, I assure you that Pathfinder is without a shadow of a doubt 100% a work of fiction!
I am also absolutely certain that you have no legal consumer right to force Paizo the company to allow you to use Potion Glutton as you want to in PFS game. It is an unfortunate trend in this day and age that people talk a lot about their rights, and so much about their responsibilities.
You seem very hostile with your posts. Try to tone it down a bit. I'm sure you can express the same points without being as sharp with your words. I think you'd get the reasonable responses you are seeking, if you just respond with a nicer tone.
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if the wording of Potion Glutton somehow encourages table variation, that implies a real need for editing of the Feat
There are literally hundreds of things that encourage table variance. For example Overrun has massive table variance such that playing a PFS Overrun specialist with Charge Through, Elephant Stomp, and Greater Overrun you won't likely play at a table by 9th level that ruled the same way on all feats.
There isn't much to be done about table variance, and none of those table issues I had with Overrun were "I don't like that I'm not following the rules." It was always "I don't agree with you and your online rules forum posts on the interpretation" type.
You don't seem to accept that this is possible. For someone to read the same rule and come to the same interpretation as you.
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It only creates table variation if players try to extend the feat to extracts. If everyone took the face value benefit that it applies to potions, then all would be good. Of course because we have since gained a class that casts through potion like extracts some players want to be able to cast as a swift action. Table variation invariably comes from those players that want to squeeze the last drop of value from something - or use it in an unforeseen way to break the feat.
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I think is if a player can show that his interpretation is legal, he should be allowed to play it that way in PFS.
The only way you show that is a direct to the point answer from Pathfinder Design Team or PFS leadership.
You don't show your right by saying you are right.
You also don't show that you are fun to play together if you debate the rules with the GM or other players.