Obviously my binge-fu is weak. :P
I'm now as far as episode 5 and still enjoying it. Probably the "worst" Netflix Marvel collaboration so far (except for DD2 S2, but not sure a S2 could count "the same"), but still miles ahead of Agents of Shield or CW's DC schlock. Reviewers went way overboard panning this one.
not a very high bar there...
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*just doesn't understand how people can wreck on Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.*
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Finished yesterday.,,over all I enjoyed the show...it not my favorite of the MNS but the critics definitely overreacted.
A couple of things...
1. Did they forget that Harold cut off his finger? Cause he cuts it off. Bandages his hand... then the next episode, his hand is still bandaged, but he has all 5 fingers. This bugged me every time I could see his left hand... which is pretty often.
2. Danny's emotional arc is poorly handled. He starts off so peaceful and serene, but then progresses to angry episodes, which isn't the most original idea ever. They make a few references to "his anger" from a broader perspective, but never really make it mean anything. A good arc, though very predictable, would have been to make his anger to true block for his chi. Then, have him confront it and make peace with what happened to his parents, his chi flows fine and he gets the iron fist back.
3. Bakuto should have been introduced and more prominent even earlier. He should have been given an even more paternalistic role for Danny. Let it actually develop. Give us a whole episode, at least, of Danny trusting Bakuto and the audience thinking he might actually be a good guy. Have him say things that are echos of Lei Kung and really adopt the persona of sensei. Then have him turn out to be evil. Instead we're given like 3 minutes of nice Bakuto, then he goes straight into being underhanded. His betrayal isn't a betrayal, since neither Danny nor the audience ever trusts him for more than a couple seconds.
4. Make Joy a little more proactive. Let one of the Meachum family devious plans be hers, let her be a little more devious. I think it's a good set up for her to be more antagonistic in the future, if necessary, and she's one of the better actors in the series, so it would be good if her character was more central to the development of the plot, instead of just reacting to revelations that the audience already knows.
Overall I liked it. Good action. Some of the support cast are better actors than the main character and really shine through in some scenes. Pacing could be better and some better consistency in metaphors and symbolism. Fairly standard comic book show fare, about on par with Daredevil season 1 IMO.
You can really tell that Charlie Cox put in the hours and hours of hard work it took to master his Daredevil choreography and Finn Jones didn't. Jessica Henwick is good, maybe as good as Elodie Yung.
A lot of IRON FIST's problems are down to its pre-production troubles. Originally this was supposed to go before LUKE CAGE, but they had a lot of problems nailing down the mystical elements, especially because the movie crew wouldn't share too much about DR. STRANGE and their vision for the show. Netflix and Marvel also had a long-running conversation about making Danny Asian-American or keeping him white.
When JESSICA JONES did really well and Luke Cage became a break-out character and Netflix found a showrunner earlier than expected, they decided to flip the two and got LUKE CAGE out the door first. That helped a bit, but a lot of IRON FIST's problems were still unresolved. The conversation about ethnicity seems to have not been resolved until late in the day and by that time they needed to get shooting otherwise they'd miss their slot and that would screw up THE DEFENDERS and push that back to 2018. And of course that throws everything else out of whack (such as JJ Season 2 and DD Season 3, which are both in pre-production, with JJ Season 2 starting shooting any day now).
So, they ended up casting way too late and Finn Jones was unable to do all the training he really needed (same problem as GAME OF THRONES, actually, where a lot of the characters were cast late, including Jones, and they simply don't look like they've ever held a sword in their lives, let alone fought with one for years).
Cliffhanger endings are becoming an object of annoyance. If I didn't know that they're all entering into The Defenders around mid-year ... hangs on cliff
I don't think DEFENDERS is going to be out until the end of the year. I suspect December, although it might be brought forward to the September slot. They finished shooting literally two days ago and still have to go through post, which has been a fairly lengthy process on all the other MCU Netflix shows (5-6 months).
Clair puts Matt and Danny together (along with Coleen?). Then she links them to Luke (and Misty). Then Clair and Luke recruit Jessica. And Frank crashes the party.
The Punisher isn't in THE DEFENDERS. He may cameo or we may hear about what's going on, or there may be some set-up work for him (since if THE DEFENDERS is a September show, THE PUNISHER will likely take a November or December slot). But he won't be a main character or one of the actual team.
Defenders might be out sooner than December. I hear they have officially wrapped production and it's now in Post
I hope that means it out before my birthday, Grey.
They had previously announced a Summer 2017 release. I think Punisher is going to be aimed at late fall instead.
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You can really tell that Charlie Cox put in the hours and hours of hard work it took to master his Daredevil choreography and Finn Jones didn't. Jessica Henwick is good, maybe as good as Elodie Yung....
So, they ended up casting way too late and Finn Jones was unable to do all the training he really needed (same problem as GAME OF THRONES, actually, where a lot of the characters were cast late, including Jones, and they simply don't look like they've ever held a sword in their lives, let alone fought with one for years).
According to Jones, he had three weeks of training before filming began, and had little time to keep up with it once the filming began. Oh, and he wouldn't learn the choreography of each scene until a short time before it was filmed. As in, 15 minutes prior.
Spoiler:4. Make Joy a little more proactive. Let one of the Meachum family devious plans be hers, let her be a little more devious. I think it's a good set up for her to be more antagonistic in the future, if necessary, and she's one of the better actors in the series, so it would be good if her character was more central to the development of the plot, instead of just reacting to revelations that the audience already knows.
I liked Ward's arc quite a bit as well. I think it was fairly well written and the actors for the siblings did a really good job of playing off each other; they made a good team. Maybe because parts of their story line were so mundane, but they took fairly cliched scenes and made them work in a way that felt very real in comparison to a lot of other scenes.
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This show isn't even close to the same league as Into the Badlands. Badlands fighting is part of the story, the narrative continues in the fighting itself.
So far as I could ever tell, for 'Into the Badlands' the fighting IS the 'story'.
A couple of things...
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If he's just going to grow it back, that seems like a stupid punishment to have him cut it off. Sure, it's painful, but it's not a "permanent reminder."
It was a poorly thought out thing, regardless. More like a writer was reaching for something as a punishment without really thinking through all the in world implications.
If he's just going to grow it back, that seems like a stupid punishment to have him cut it off. Sure, it's painful, but it's not a "permanent reminder."
It was a poorly thought out thing, regardless. More like a writer was reaching for something as a punishment without really thinking through all the in world implications.
I don't know about that. Howard had no idea he was permanently immortal and the Hand clearly hadn't told him about it. More than that they made damn certain he didn't go anywhere or get put in a possition where he might get killed and find out about it.
Threat and fear are what the Hand needed to keep him in line. As long as he never realized their "treatment" was permanent cutting off bits of him would work pretty well
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A couple of things...
Spoiler:2. Danny's emotional arc is poorly handled. He starts off so peaceful and serene, but then progresses to angry episodes, which isn't the most original idea ever. They make a few references to "his anger" from a broader perspective, but never really make it mean anything. A good arc, though very predictable, would have been to make his anger to true block for his chi. Then, have him confront it and make peace with what happened to his parents, his chi flows fine and he gets the iron fist back.
I liked Ward's arc quite a bit as well. I think it was fairly well written and the actors for the siblings did a really good job of playing off each other; they made a good team. Maybe because parts of their story line were so mundane, but they took fairly cliched scenes and made them work in a way that felt very real in comparison to a lot of other scenes.
According to Jones, he had three weeks of training before filming began, and had little time to keep up with it once the filming began. Oh, and he wouldn't learn the choreography of each scene until a short time before it was filmed. As in, 15 minutes prior.You can really tell that Charlie Cox put in the hours and hours of hard work it took to master his Daredevil choreography and Finn Jones didn't. Jessica Henwick is good, maybe as good as Elodie Yung....
So, they ended up casting way too late and Finn Jones was unable to do all the training he really needed (same problem as GAME OF THRONES, actually, where a lot of the characters were cast late, including Jones, and they simply don't look like they've ever held a sword in their lives, let alone fought with one for years).
I read parts of that interview too and if that's true (and there's no reason to believe that it isnt) then Marvel/Netflix did him DIRTY.
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I read parts of that interview too and if that's true (and there's no reason to believe that it isnt) then Marvel/Netflix did him DIRTY.According to Jones, he had three weeks of training before filming began, and had little time to keep up with it once the filming began. Oh, and he wouldn't learn the choreography of each scene until a short time before it was filmed. As in, 15 minutes prior.You can really tell that Charlie Cox put in the hours and hours of hard work it took to master his Daredevil choreography and Finn Jones didn't. Jessica Henwick is good, maybe as good as Elodie Yung....
So, they ended up casting way too late and Finn Jones was unable to do all the training he really needed (same problem as GAME OF THRONES, actually, where a lot of the characters were cast late, including Jones, and they simply don't look like they've ever held a sword in their lives, let alone fought with one for years).
Yeah, this seems to be the thing I've been hearing as well. Taking all of this into account, he actually did pretty well. And lets not forget that, unlike the other principle actors, he basically jumped into Defenders right after filming Iron Fist, so hopefully his choreography will improve with that series.
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I enjoyed it. I really liked the different forms of martial arts showcased and Danny seeming to react and adapt to the different forms. I think it suffers a little from being last out of the gate with everyone comparing it to the other Marvel/Netflix shows. (Haven't watched Into The Badlands so I can't comment to that.) Probably my biggest disappointment is
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Some people are thinking Daredevil will help him out with that costume by introducing him to his armorer or maybe he'll use the resources at Rand to come up with something himself. Either way, we could get an interesting take on the Iron Fist regalia.
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Yeah, finaly managed to finish this.
Watching became seriously a arduous task at final episodes, and I probably would have not finished if not for morbid curiosity on how does this s$@! end. I did not like this, not at all. Inconsistent characterication, jumbled and overcomplicated plot, laughable fight choreography except on few occasions, all villains were lame and boring. Cool characters were retroactively made less cooler with stupid choices. Madame Gao and Claire were the only ones that walked away clean from this. Colleen was cool and fun, but they managed to waste even her.
Cool things:
Episode 6 with Hand fight tournament. Flashbacks were done well, fights were good and it was fun to see someone like Bride of Nine Spiders or Scythe, even for a small while.
Ugh.
I liked it. I would put it in between DD1 and DD2 in my enjoyment of it.
Best fight in whole thing was colleen vrs the sword dancer lady. The clash of sword fighting styles was sweet. I just wish it had been longer.
The relationship between wing and Danny seemed a little forced but became more natural as it went on.
I just couldn't bring myself to liking the mecchums. That dad was the only one who I thought had charisma. I feel like the betrayal of Danny came out of nowhere and was a bit foolish on his part since hmm this guy beat all the enemies I had that I was powerless to deal with and thinks of me as a father. I guess I had better betray him.
Well slightly less murderery but only slightly.
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I'm only 4 episodes in, but so far enjoying it.
Not being too familiar with Iron Fist outside of cursory appearances in other comics and storylines, I'm guessing the Harold was on the plane with his parents or something and failed to find the temple. Possibly even leading into his "death" and resurrection, and being on of the plot twists to come as with Danny's return, Harold might have another chance to get what he was seeking 15 years ago. I'm also kind of finding it curious how reserved Danny's father was on that plane at the time, as if he knew a lot more than what was going on.
Maybe completely off, but seems interesting.
Hard to say at this point, but the pacing seems a lot better than Luke Cage, which often jumped from pretty good to dreadfully slow.
I'm undecided about Wing thus far. I liked the early set up, and I absolutely loved the first cage fight, the second one was sort of off-putting, in the sense that she seemed to jump pretty significantly in talent, experience, capability out of nowhere, basically over night. Her first fight she sort of gets the crap beat out of her and barely pulls through in the end like a badass, and then in the second, it's sort of trivial. There are few hiccups, but didn't really seem challenging at all. I guess she leveled up a few times overnight or something.
Joy's character comes off as very wishy-washy. Unsure how I feel on that yet.
Not really sure how I feel, (or much I care) about Danny getting rich. If I recall, he essentially ran his wealth into the ground in the comics, partially by his own fault and partially from collateral damage as a vigilante superhero lifestyle.
Still, a pretty minor flaw, and one that we tend to see a lot in comic/superhero moves. Hardly keeping me from wanting to see more.
I feel like the betrayal of Danny came out of nowhere and was a bit foolish on his part since hmm this guy beat all the enemies I had that I was powerless to deal with and thinks of me as a father. I guess I had better betray him.
My thoughts exactly. Especially since Danny is ridiculously easy to manipulate. If nothing else, he would probably come in handy.
I was rewatching the series. The scene with the nightnurse inviting herself to dinner was hilarious.
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Finally finished. Overall, it was pretty meh. Clearly the worst of the Netflix Marvel shows, but not nearly as bad as some are making it out to be.
I still enjoyed it more the most other tv shows out there. I think next season will be better sine they will be in kun lun. Coleen wing was best part of it. I kind of look forward to him getting better trained and fighting like the one on that video of the past ones the snip from that looked awesome.
It was enjoyable, slow but fun. I loved Faramir here.
Speaking of Faramir...
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Between the reviews and outcry over this and mass effect Andromeda,I am worried that the Internet is something I am no longer going to be able to take seriously and come to just for porn, socializing, and gaming related purposes.
In short, things have come full circle.
And now I have an urge to watch The Last Dragon again...
Sho'nuff
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lol, taking internets seriously
Freehold,
I go to internets for things, not opinions.
Between the reviews and outcry over this and mass effect Andromeda,I am worried that the Internet is something I am no longer going to be able to take seriously and come to just for porn, socializing, and gaming related purposes.
In short, things have come full circle.
I think a lot of it is just contrast between this show and the other netflix shows. I thought Iron Fist was okay but I was hyped about the show due to how great Luke Cage and prior shows were. High expectations and all that.
People would probably be talking about how amazing the plot was if it was part of the CWverse instead of Netflix Marvel
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I finished last night and enjoyed it. I know next to nothing about Iron Fist from the comics, so whatever changes they made didn't impact me at all.
One thing I really liked, which I was surprised no one has mentioned is that Jones did a great job of portraying Danny as completely confident, knowledgeable and collected whenever the topic was martial arts, fighting, and related stuff, but as soon as he had to deal with anything else, he was channeling his inner man-child, and was essentially still the 10 year old boy who survived a plane crash. It made perfect sense to me that growing up with nothing being taught to him other than martial arts would leave his 10-year old personality still pretty dominant in other areas, whether it was fascination at the stickers he played with as a kid still be on his father's desk to awkwardness when dealing with social situations, like not having the slightest clue why the Meechums wouldn't instantly embrace him.
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I liked it. A lot. For me, my ranking goes here....
DD2,
DD1
IF
LC
JJ.
It may have actually ranked higher if I wasn't such a diehard Daredevil fan... so regardless of anything else, those were going to be at the top of the list.
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This would be my favourite Marvel show if they had fighting scenes at least on the level of Daredevil, the main actor ruins it mostly, also the ending is ridiculous