Say my arcanist is being held prisoner in a dungeons cell, and is chained to the wall. The chains aren't too short, allowing some mobility around the sparse cell.
Could I open up a rift within the chain's reach, step through it, then have the rift close, severing the chains? How this work in the RAW?
Regardless of RAW, how might you run that in your games if a player posed it to you?
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Why would you want to escape... oh that kind of thing.
Since it counts as 5 feet of movement I think you'd need that much movement to use the slide.
So can an arcanist not use dimensional slide and keep their clothes on, Avoron since they are also "not you?"
So can an arcanist not use dimensional slide and keep their clothes on, Avoron since they are also "not you?"
Clothing is subsumed as part of the character just like equipment is so if course it comes with you.
Sounds a lot like the 'chained to a cell wall, can you teleport out of the chains question posted a few years back.
Yeah, there are some similarities.
I'm a pretty big proponent in that the caster gets to choose what he takes and doesn't take, similar to how he gets to choose who his enemies and allies are, and what the target of his spells are going to be.
Nothing else is terribly consistent or sensible in my opinion.
Yeah, there are some similarities.
I'm a pretty big proponent in that the caster gets to choose what he takes and doesn't take, similar to how he gets to choose who his enemies and allies are, and what the target of his spells are going to be.
Nothing else is terribly consistent or sensible in my opinion.
Here is the old thread. You even have responses in there too.
I would say anything basically on your person (clothes, items, handcuffs, etc.) must come with you. For instance, you could not slip manacles off by using this ability. Using the same reasoning, if you wanted to slide while chained to the wall, you would have to take the manacles with you. Along with the chain that's attached to them. Along with the building that is attached to the chain. Since that certainly exceeds the limits of the ability, it simply wouldn't work.
My take on it anyways.
So can an arcanist not use dimensional slide and keep their clothes on, Avoron since they are also "not you?"
No. No one has implied this.
Pathfinder has a blanket your stuff counts as you rule. Your stuff goes with you. Your stuff gets your saving throws. Your stuff is you.
Chains on the wall that you're shackled too, not so much.
So can an arcanist not use dimensional slide and keep their clothes on, Avoron since they are also "not you?"No. No one has implied this.
Pathfinder has a blanket your stuff counts as you rule. Your stuff goes with you. Your stuff gets your saving throws. Your stuff is you.
Chains on the wall that you're shackled too, not so much.
Care to cite the rule that you're so certain of?
At what point does the stuff attached to you go though the 'dimension slide'? By using that logic, you would have to take the ground with you unless you do a small hop. Would that mean you couldn't use it in water, since you would have to take all the surrounding water?
You could make an argument that the person can choose which items that he is touching that he wants to bring.
I've known players that use the dimension jumps/teleports to get out of grappled checks, but since they are attached(to the other creature), that would mean they couldn't do that, if you go based on whatever is touching them.
Care to cite the rule that you're so certain of?So can an arcanist not use dimensional slide and keep their clothes on, Avoron since they are also "not you?"No. No one has implied this.
Pathfinder has a blanket your stuff counts as you rule. Your stuff goes with you. Your stuff gets your saving throws. Your stuff is you.
Chains on the wall that you're shackled too, not so much.
(object): The spell can be cast on objects, which receive saving throws only if they are magical or if they are attended (held, worn, grasped, or the like) by a creature resisting the spell, in which case the object uses the creature's saving throw bonus unless its own bonus is greater. This notation does not mean that a spell can be cast only on objects. Some spells of this sort can be cast on creatures or objects. A magic item's saving throw bonuses are each equal to 2 + 1/2 the item's caster level.
if they change you into a form that is unlike your original form (subject to GM discretion). If your new form does not cause your equipment to meld into your form, the equipment resizes to match your new size.
I know you don't like to take implications or anything less than a full direct statement, but the game is not a law book, it runs on implication and understanding (so do laws really...). You do not show up naked when you teleport.
No, you're not touching the ground when you go through it. You step, not shuffle.
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And then you lift up the other foot.
Only in the rules forums do we need to explain the details of walking.
Seriously, you can't just take a little dust from your shoe with you, you need to port all of golarion or none of it?
Such flippant arguments don't even deserve a response. Good day.
Such flippant arguments don't even deserve a response. Good day.
That's the problem with almost every thread. The original post asks for an opinion; 10% of the respondents provide a reasoned opinion. The rest spend an inordinate amount of time explaining why the responses won't work instead of developing opinions and input of their own.
Yup, such is the rules forums. That's why I just step away from most of these pointless arguments instead of perpetuating them.
So a grasped object is considered attended per RAW? Then I will grasp my chains in my hand and take them with me, as they are attended just like my clothes (what rags they left me with). Only the links I'm grasping /carrying will come along, the rest of the links will stay behind, essentially severing the chain as I step through the portal in the same manner that a magician separates or combines metal hoops.
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So a grasped object is considered attended per RAW?
There is no raw on this. No rule, faq, or citation is going to tell you where you and your stuff end and the building and the chains begin.
Some things in the game require a subjective determination. Thats what the DM is for. Solving the conundrum of loki's neck for is one of those things.
@Ravingdork - I would never let a caster slip bonds with dimensional slide. If the have the ability to actually step and use it, you simply take it with you. Or if you're chained to a wall, you can't use it. My interpretation of RAW anyways, I agree that it's ambiguous enough to have some table variance.