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Assuming you can teleport and do so successfully (for whatever reason), can you teleport out of bonds such as ropes, shackles or manacles, etc. that have you tied up/bound/pinned? Or would they telport with you much like clothing and worn gear would?
What if those bonds are connected to a wall or foundation of some kind, like if you were shackled to a dungeon wall or anvil or some sort of building? Would the shackles and what they are attached to then become 'weight' for the purposes of gear and worn equipment and make the teleport fail?
Teleport says you "can" bring the items along, but does not say you have-to. Teleport has only a Verbal component, so you should be able to cast it just fine as long as you make your Concentration check.
So if you wanted to you could literally teleport out of your clothes and appear somewhere naked?
The spell description isn't terribly specific. I agree you could teleport yourself without any gear and would avoid issue with any bonds.
But if you teleport yourself with gear I would say the bonds are probably teleported with you. In the case of being attached to a wall...I think I'd say the bond teleports everything up to the anchor point on the wall/floor etc.
May not work when you're tied up since you are treated as pinned--makes for one hell of a concentration check.
A fine house rule if you like unstoppable spellcasters, but the rules in the Core Rulebook combat chapter are pretty clear that being tied up "works like a pin effect..."
Pin rules excerpt: A pinned character who attempts to cast a spell or use a spell-like ability must make a concentration check (DC 10 + grappler's CMB + spell level) or lose the spell.
I'm not sure how else you could interpret that.
This is why you bag and gag everyone...never know who's a caster
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This is why you bag and gag everyone...never know who's a caster
Bag, gag, beat into unconciousness with non-lethal damage every hour. Place them in half plate with barbed manacles, but take away all their other gear. Bind them up as best you can.
You know, the usual.
The spell description isn't terribly specific. I agree you could teleport yourself without any gear and would avoid issue with any bonds.
But if you teleport yourself with gear I would say the bonds are probably teleported with you. In the case of being attached to a wall...I think I'd say the bond teleports everything up to the anchor point on the wall/floor etc.
So is the consensus that you cannot cherry pick what gear teleports with you?
I would allow cherry picking. You consider what is part of "you" (IE, your body, your items) and what is "not-you" (the bonds, whoever is grappling you, etc.).
Personally I dont like to have caster get off that easy so definitely not. If the caster happens to have a silent stilled teleport then there would be no confining him ever. Youd have to kill him, capture wouldnt be a very good option.
silent stilled teleportTeleport has only a verbal component. There is no need for the "stilled".
GREAT! Even better.
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Teleport says you "can" bring the items along, but does not say you have-to. Teleport has only a Verbal component, so you should be able to cast it just fine as long as you make your Concentration check.
Whatever we would like it to be, the answer is that the caster can choose which gear to take (per the limits of the spell), but since he is not forced to, can choose which stuff not to take.
I think most people would not choose to bring the 'cuffs.
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Wizard: Why didn't you choose to leave your manacles behind when you teleported?
Sorcerer: You can choose!?
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Wizard: Why didn't you choose to leave your manacles behind when you teleported?
Sorcerer: You can choose!? Wait then why are you naked?
Wizard: Don't judge me.:D
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What is the CMB of a set of manacles?A fine house rule if you like unstoppable spellcasters, but the rules in the Core Rulebook combat chapter are pretty clear that being tied up "works like a pin effect..."
Pin rules excerpt: A pinned character who attempts to cast a spell or use a spell-like ability must make a concentration check (DC 10 + grappler's CMB + spell level) or lose the spell.
I'm not sure how else you could interpret that.
They don't have one. But...manacles
What is the CMB of a set of manacles?A fine house rule if you like unstoppable spellcasters, but the rules in the Core Rulebook combat chapter are pretty clear that being tied up "works like a pin effect..."
Pin rules excerpt: A pinned character who attempts to cast a spell or use a spell-like ability must make a concentration check (DC 10 + grappler's CMB + spell level) or lose the spell.
I'm not sure how else you could interpret that.
Manacles do not tie you up in the same sense that ropes and chains do, and thus follow a different set of rules. I think it's probably save to say that you are not considered pinned, but don't have active use of your hands for the purposes of spellcasting.
If I'm going to manacle a spellcaster, I'm going to take the trouble to cut out his tounge and cut off his fingers.
If he needs them back we will get someone to cast regenerate.
Seriously....just knock him out until the end of the day, then prevent him from getting 8 hours of rest after that...BAM! No more spells....
Also, a very obnoxious bard in the cell next to him would make for a rough concentration check as well...
Teleport says you "can" bring the items along, but does not say you have-to. Teleport has only a Verbal component, so you should be able to cast it just fine as long as you make your Concentration check.So if you wanted to you could literally teleport out of your clothes and appear somewhere naked?
There's a thread around here somewhere that covers this. Essentially the word "can" seems to indicate that you have options. Essentially it's a conscious decision to bring things (sometimes creatures) with you when you teleport. Anything you don't choose to bring doesn't come. It seems fairly straight forward to me. It's not game breaking, but it is kind of flavorful. This is most beneficial for a teleport school wizard. Good luck keeping him/her grappled.
Sexy Sorcerer: We're being driven back! You need to get us out of here!
Old Wizard: Never fear my dear!
Naked Sexy Sorcerer: Again!?