So I am in a pathfinder story right now and my 13-14 year old friend has been trying to destroy me in the game because I was voted leader as the group and I have told about 3 npc's that I am the leader. He is a lvl 3 human, anti-paladin and I am a lvl 3 elf, ranger. I really need him dead before he becomes too powerful and our DM is sorta like he just lets almost everything go past the rules. Like one group member who also tried to kill me once (but he came to his senses that I am 2 levels higher than him) well his back story is that a fire god brought him back to life after he died as a baby and he can go through fire lava and is not affected of anything of the such. Also the guy Im trying to kill just got an army of like 300 orcs and they are ruled by him just because he asked the orcs as his soldiers. So its sorta screwed up but yeah thats some background, please help me if there is a way to kill him really good.
Also post your own questions for revenge here.
PS ask me if you want more information on this guy like his AC or my AC, and I have a bow that gives +4 to attack my BAB is +3 and my dex bonus is +5 so its total is +12
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Wha-... Are you sure that you are playing Pathfinder? Are you sure you truly wish to continue to play with a friend that is willingly ruining other player's enjoyment of the game?
This whole set-up is just so strange to me, for some reason.
People being resurrected by deities? Fire damage immunities by level 3? Ruling over 200 orc soldiers? I can only say that your manner of playing the game is so exotic, that I can hardly relate to it at all.
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I find the game is a lot more fun if everyone's characters cooperate, instead of trying to kill each other.
After you've been playing 10+ years, you can maybe try something experimental like having player characters being enemies. Until then, though, I'd stay away from that.
LOL!!
I have nothing else.
There is no way a third level ranger can take 200 orcs without some kind of awesome epic story. If you do find a way, then I expect to hear this story. Apart from that, I can only say good luck.
Talk to the player, not the character. Tell him you aren't interested in PVP and would appreciate working together.
If he refuses and kills your character, you then know what kind of person you're dealing with.
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So I am in a pathfinder story right now and my 13-14 year old friend has been trying to destroy me in the game because I was voted leader as the group and I have told about 3 npc's that I am the leader. He is a lvl 3 human, anti-paladin and I am a lvl 3 elf, ranger. I really need him dead before he becomes too powerful and our DM is sorta like he just lets almost everything go past the rules. Like one group member who also tried to kill me once (but he came to his senses that I am 2 levels higher than him) well his back story is that a fire god brought him back to life after he died as a baby and he can go through fire lava and is not affected of anything of the such. Also the guy Im trying to kill just got an army of like 300 orcs and they are ruled by him just because he asked the orcs as his soldiers. So its sorta screwed up but yeah thats some background, please help me if there is a way to kill him really good.
Also post your own questions for revenge here.
PS ask me if you want more information on this guy like his AC or my AC, and I have a bow that gives +4 to attack my BAB is +3 and my dex bonus is +5 so its total is +12
This sounds like when I started playing at a similar age, maybe a bit younger.
We were very flexible with rewards and into rule-of-cool over everything else.
We were also all about our own characters.
If I have this right and you are a young group starting out then read on...
I think you should probably figure out, as friends and away from the table, if this is how you want to play the game. Maybe in a situation with a parent or other adult nearby (because this reduces the likelihood of people getting stroppy and throwing dice).
My suggestions for a better game:
1. Your GM should not write the adventures. There is plenty of free stuff out there that he can run until he feels confident.
Honestly, the professionals are talented and experienced. Learn from them. These are all free adventures released by Paizo.
2. You should all be good.
Evil is tricky and problematic. Being heroes makes for simpler relationships.
3. Be a gang.
Make your characters together and create a reason why you are all together. If someone wants to spend money on an adventure then Crypt of the Everflame is designed to be a first adventure and it does a great job of bringing a party together.
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Assuming PVP is what everyone wants and no one at the table will have hirt feeling when their PC is defeated, this is what you should do.
1) Even the score. Orcs are a 1/3 CR creature with an XP of 135. 200 of them are roughly in the range of CR 13.
That's also the CR of an Adult Bronze dragon. They sometimes work with adventures to fight evil, which an Antipaladin and an army of Orcs sound like.
But it's still an Dragon, so prepare an inspiring speach if you want his aid.
The alternative is to look to your own.
An army of 200 elves should be a fair opposition.
To run the clash of the two armies there are a few options.
Troops
Have the GM group the armies into small units, or troops and have them battle each other using normal combat.
Mass Combat.
Developed for Kingmaker and reprintes in ultimate campaign, provides an alternate combat system for armies to fight in.
Aid another.
This is useful if the armies are fighting you and the Antipaladin.
Any character can use their action to provide a +2 to defence or attack of an adjacent character.
Sacrifice character actions to increase the attack and defense of certain Orcs or Elves.
2) Fight on your ground.
For this to come to a satisfying conclusion it should wnd with you and him an an epic 1-1 duel.
Being paladin based, he'll have the advantage up close with his armour, smite and touch of corruption.
DON'T LET HIM GET CLOSE.
Confront him on difficult terrain so he can't charge and use hit-run tactics.
Hit once, then move out of his reach so he can't tag you on the next turn.
Use full withdraw or the mobility feat if you have it to keep away.
Good luck
I agree with everyone else.
But they really didn't answer your question. So here's what you do: Go find a high level cleric or oracle (the higher level, the better). Get yourself a scythe. Have the cleric/oracle cast hold person on your "friend's" character. Then coup de gras.
Once you have that out of your system, you can find some people worth playing with where you can explore the more interesting aspects of the game besides killing each other.
Thank you very much
I will try this
Also to answer other question the Orcs can not leave a certain area for now but there was talk about them breaking that law in our last game
Also to my knowledge the only elvish kingdom is covered by a cloud that has weird creature that will kill anyone in their way
OP, your group sounds terrible. I don't know how old you are or the rest of the party is but a 14 year old playing a CE anti-paladin just seems like a complete recipe for disaster, especially being this focused on PVP.
I hope you're not good because prepare to get a Smite Good to your face.
Also my friend is a very evil character and his mark is a red blood moon (The marking thing is an extra thing our DM made) so that is partly why he has tried to kill me but he doesn't know that he doesn't have to do that
Also my character is extremely good, sadly
Ability scores in order - 16, 20, 16, 20, 17, 16
Here's what you do:
Leave the party.
No really, just leave the party. He can't kill you if you're not there, and trust me, he will kill you. He's an anti-paladin, and you're good, so he's got high saves to everything, and he has smite good. You have... whatever a lvl 4 ranger has. You won't win in a face to face fight. Just leave, go to another town, you have no reason to be adventuring with a homicidal anti-paladin.
Make a new character that is capable of working in an evil party.
Of course, I wouldn't expect any different from one so young.
oh no I meant my character is sorta OP i am neutral neutral
Why don't you ask him how to be Evil and badass,play along and become part of the game?
well all of the party is with me other than him
I only want him dead
I could actually kill him easily but I am scared a bit for that super low chance that I flub up and I want to know if he has weaknesses
Kill him then, next time maybe tell us what you want us to tell you, so we can save a little time, some of us don't have as much left as you. :-)
also after this is all over I will tell all the details
Kill him then, next time maybe tell us what you want us to tell you, so we can save a little time, some of us don't have as much left as you. :-)
This. I don't understand the point of this thread.
well it isn't going to be totally easy because our DM's sorta character is OP and I don't know if he will like me killing him also Im not sure what tricks my friend has up his sleeves
Won't know until you try.
He can't heal himself. Just let him tank while no one heals him.Just remember to put a arrow on his face when he very wounded in the middle of combat.I know you want to kill his Character but remember this...
His next character will be made to counter your archer and he will try to kill you. Well you can always tell the party healers to don't heal him and let he die to the monsters on a cruel acident, this way maybe he will not try to get a revenge on you.
well it isn't going to be totally easy because our DM's sorta character is OP and I don't know if he will like me killing him also Im not sure what tricks my friend has up his sleeves
Your gaming group is so utterly removed from the standard game of Pathfinder you're simply not likely to receive much help to speak of. The whole thing sounds like a complete mess and disaster and I'm just glad I'm not in it.
that is why because our DM has most of the characters being a soul bender it is something he made up and each type has there own special spells and his are mostly going to kill people so I wanted to try and have help with that and see if there were straight shots to killing him
Sure, give it a shot.
I mean what weaknesses should he have I mean there has to be something
ha I over use "I mean"
If you play like a standard party tell your party healers to don't heal him or use their actions to do something else.
He will die some time.
And he will blame the DM and his monsters.
ok thanks I will do that and I will give the story
Gosh some of the fricking kids in my group needed to do a math counts harkness but I said no and now our DM doesn't wanna play without more players! ugh
I love how we are advising antisocial courses of action.
Did you guys implode yet?
I let Player versus Player action happen if both sides are willing. Only time I step in is when one side doesn't reciprocate and if it looks like bullying.
If you like metagaming, Players and PCs are the best assets to maintain table harmony, mainly because some of them have spines and won't stand up to a lot of disruptive personal habits like bad hygiene, distracted play, and campaign derailment.
I like DM-created stories so long as they stick to game mechanics (for my familiarity so I don't run into weird clauses I took for granted by RAW) and no, never feel obligated to run a Good Party. Someone can be a selfish person and still adventure. Hell, CN has to be the most irresponsible and karma-dodging alignment when I see Players take it. Plus, let's be honest with ourselves, how many times have we seen "LG/NG/CG" characters acting consistently horrible, and not with their backs against a wall to force it?
Tying in to my above point; I've had "Good" PCs in-game commit a hit on the "Evil" PCs because they felt that A: it was unavoidable and whoever shot first, wins, B: Had the Evil PCs continued in the Party, the constant stream of environmental HATE they brought against the whole party would kill them, & C: Evil kept doing what Evil does and the Good PCs couldn't stand it.
I merely fed them encounters and let their shenanigans play out until one "Good" PC finally snapped and fired that first shot. Chairs were flipped. Threats were made. Ultimatums were called. People walked out, and the ones who remained were the ones committed to the Campaign and the Group, not Individual Achievement. Shucks, I didn't even tell them it was my Birthday that session.
Best DM present ever!
*munches absently from his bowl popcorn...*
This thread is so full of lulz, that it needs an update.
People, lets not act like only children do this. They simply do it more often.
I've been in plenty of groups and seen plenty of players that try to push the limits and purposefully make characters who don't work in a group. Like someone trying to come into an existing party with a necromancer.
People are inconsiderate jerk bags at all ages. Sometimes they don't realize they are being jerks. Sometimes they think the thing they are doing is fun, cool, and interesting for everybody else. Except everybody else hates it and just wants to have a fun, cooperative game that doesn't involve the stress of combating your fellow player.
This thread is a testament to being young and dumb and inconsiderate, but it applies to adults just as much.
That said.... :popcorn: