Do you remember where you got the number from?It was 10 months, as I recall.Setting aside the fact that Killgrave would be unholdable in a regular jail long enough to get to trial, a judge could not order Killgrave to speak. 5th Amendment and all.
Trish did what people are trained to do. Pull the trigger until the gun is empty. Plus it was only a revolver.
I'm not sure, but I don't think there had been even a year between Jessica's escape and the start of the show.
Otherwise those are valid criticisms.
The amount of time that passed since Jessica's escape is never made entirely clear but I think it was quite long given
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Second episode I think.
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Luke Cage is the next Netflix one I believe, and should be coming 2016...sometime. Early-ish 2016 I believe was the last word, May or so.
Civil War is the next MCU movie, also in May.
IIRC Agent Carter will be filling in for Agents of Shield on its winter hiatus again.
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To be fair, no matter how idiotic the characters act or how unlikely the coincidences... Nothing about the show is dumber than the people saying they can't watch Dr.Who anymore because they suffer PTSD from seeing the actor who portrayed Kilgrave.
XD
BTW, is Agent Carter and the 3rd Season of Agents of SHIELD any good? I completely forgot about the latter and simply couldn't care about the former...
BTW, is Agent Carter and the 3rd Season of Agents of SHIELD any good? I completely forgot about the latter and simply couldn't care about the former...
Agents of Shield has been excellent since mid season 1 and has only gotten better since.
Agent Cater was pretty good, but not great. This season might be better.
Second episode I think.
Do you remember where you got the number from?
Yeah, I'm not at my Netflix, but I think when she was looking for hospital records about Kilgrave she gives that timeframe to the nurse who's doing the searching with her.
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IIRC Agent Carter will be filling in for Agents of Shield on its winter hiatus again.
...ok... that's good.... that's good... [settles back deep into the couch as the shaking stops...]
...but seriously, I love that show, as it explains a lot of the MCU stuff that's behind the scenes; I'm guessing now that the second season of Carter will be set a few years forward (in Ant-Man we saw her deal with young 1989 Hank Pym... that was awesome)
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Don't forget the second season of Daredevil, which should be hitting Netflix sometime around March-April.
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BTW, is Agent Carter and the 3rd Season of Agents of SHIELD any good? I completely forgot about the latter and simply couldn't care about the former...Agents of Shield has been excellent since mid season 1 and has only gotten better since.
Agent Cater was pretty good, but not great. This season might be better.
I actually liked Agent Carter more than any one season of Sheild. It took me a while to warm up to AC because I expected the season to be about how she founded Shield (based on her appearance in AoS prior to getting her own show) and it actually turned out to be completely unrelated.
However, the show had a much more focused story, a better set of themes to explore, and complete arcs for all major characters. Plus the historical setting added a lot of interest. Peggy herself can't quite compete with Coulson for likeability, but she's still definitely a good lead.
Peggy wasn't the issue, it was most of the rest of the cast being one-note characters we've seen 100 times before.
Peggy herself can't quite compete with Coulson for likeability, but she's still definitely a good lead.WHAT??? O_O
I'll follow gun-toting Peggy that gives you cover fire into a building over "you guys go over there and I'll wander alone" Coulson!!!
Agreed. Coulson by himself is pretty good. Coulson as the head of a small team wasn't quite as cool, but still fairly good. Coulson as the head of SHIELD? I don't really think it works, and I wish they would have him permanently step down. Put Fury back in charge, or if Sam Jackson isn't interested in doing the occasional cameo, put Hill in charge.
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Agreed. Coulson by himself is pretty good. Coulson as the head of a small team wasn't quite as cool, but still fairly good. Coulson as the head of SHIELD? I don't really think it works, and I wish they would have him permanently step down. Put Fury back in charge, or if Sam Jackson isn't interested in doing the occasional cameo, put Hill in charge.Peggy herself can't quite compete with Coulson for likeability, but she's still definitely a good lead.WHAT??? O_O
I'll follow gun-toting Peggy that gives you cover fire into a building over "you guys go over there and I'll wander alone" Coulson!!!
Amen to all that.
I'll even take Mack with an eyepatch over Coulson. He *must* however, trade that freaggin' iPad for an eyepatch dammit!!!!
Introducing: iPatch.
*Uproarious applause*
you could make serious coin just pitching that name to Apple... I mean the best thing their competitor has is Google Glasses...Introducing: iPatch.
*Uproarious applause*
Sure beats Google Monocle. No, I'm not kidding.
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Peggy herself can't quite compete with Coulson for likeability, but she's still definitely a good lead.
It's like you're the Bizarro Me!
Peggy is awesome; vibrant and alive and take-charge and no-nonsense, a real self-made hero and two-fisted (wo)man of action.
Coulson, ugh. A smarmy jerk in his Thor and Iron Man 2 appearances, and a smarmy jerk he remains. He's the MCU's Fonzi, walking into the room to a laugh track, and me wondering 'Did he do something funny and I missed it? Why is everyone laughing?'
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Peggy herself can't quite compete with Coulson for likeability, but she's still definitely a good lead.It's like you're the Bizarro Me!
Peggy is awesome; vibrant and alive and take-charge and no-nonsense, a real self-made hero and two-fisted (wo)man of action.
Coulson, ugh. A smarmy jerk in his Thor and Iron Man 2 appearances, and a smarmy jerk he remains. He's the MCU's Fonzi, walking into the room to a laugh track, and me wondering 'Did he do something funny and I missed it? Why is everyone laughing?'
Yes! +1000!
Introducing: iPatch.
*Uproarious applause*
*Six months later*
Introducing the iPatch-a. Now with one MB extra memory! Have it in a different color than black for only 79.99 more!
*Uproarious applause*
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As for Jessica Jones, the more time passes, the more I love the character of Trish. Someone whose got her own darker moments in her past (and present, thanks to Will), and yet hasn't retreated into the bottle or gotten jaded or beaten down by it, adds some life to the show, and contrasts nicely with Jessica and her beautiful dysfunction.
I'm reminded of an episode of Buffy, where she's pissing and moaning about how much her life sucks to a fellow Slayer, Faith, and Faith snarks, 'Yeah, it totally sucks how we're hot chicks with super-powers.'
Or Rocket Raccoon, for that matter. "Boo hoo! We've all got dead people!" Or even GoGo, "Quit whining and woman up, Hiro."
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What show were you warching?
The extreme, obsessive martial arts training, the paranoia, everything about her after she takes a red and then comes back to Jessica's place to get the reds and blues Nuke left behind?
Patsy's just as broken as Jessica and her addiction to Nukes pills will almost certainly be a major part of season 2.
But she isn't *broken.* She hasn't run away from life, and is out there living it. She's taken a hit, and gotten back up, not unchanged, not invulnerable, but still functioning.
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I'm looking forward to the development of the IGH plotline, especially after I got to my "duh" moment and realized that in the cinematic Marvel Universe, mutants have been replaced with inhumans. Otherwise, that would read "MGH." :)
But she isn't *broken.* She hasn't run away from life, and is out there living it. She's taken a hit, and gotten back up, not unchanged, not invulnerable, but still functioning.What show were you warching?
The extreme, obsessive martial arts training, the paranoia, everything about her after she takes a red and then comes back to Jessica's place to get the reds and blues Nuke left behind?
Patsy's just as broken as Jessica and her addiction to Nukes pills will almost certainly be a major part of season 2.
Go back and look at her life. It's more public than Jessica's, but it's just as structured and controlled to avoid her issues. In a lot of ways she's less controlled. See the fan in the lobby.
The only difference is that her coping mechanisms are socially acceptable to you and Jessica's arent.
In regards to the fan in the lobby, she had reason to think Kilgrave had gotten to him. Would she have had that same reaction were that not the case? I don't know.
I look forward to a greater exploration of her character. She's on the road to herodom, but she's not there yet. Is she as broken as Jess? I don't know that either, but if she isn't, then Jess probably had something to do with that.
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Just finished last night, and not only did I love it, but my wife, who's not a big super hero fan at all, also loved it.
Also not sure if this is something from the comics or not, but I thought it was a delightful Easter egg to Tennant's role as Doctor Who when:
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What show were you warching?
The extreme, obsessive martial arts training, the paranoia, everything about her after she takes a red and then comes back to Jessica's place to get the reds and blues Nuke left behind?
Patsy's just as broken as Jessica and her addiction to Nukes pills will almost certainly be a major part of season 2.
But she isn't *broken.* She hasn't run away from life, and is out there living it. She's taken a hit, and gotten back up, not unchanged, not invulnerable, but still functioning.
As a serious Trish fan (she is the main reason I kept at the show when it got stupid, honestly), my interpretation of the character is completely different.
She was raised by her mother to be this pathetic, artificial famous person. Even though she hated it, that's still what she ended up doing as an adult, and worse - she's good at it. She has a popular radio show, she is incredibly beautiful and wealthy and is admired by a lot of people.
But this was never what she wanted. What Trish actually wanted to do with her life was something that actually matters, acting for the greater good in some way. To be a hero. I think the obsession with specifically being one of the those new superhero types that started running around lately came from spending her childhood with Jessica.
For a while Trish wanted Jessica to do what she herself couldn't - go out in the street wearing a stupid custom and beat up bad guys. She pushed Jessica pretty hard to do that and was a very enthusiastic supporter.
When Jessica disappeared out of her life, she started learning all those super martial arts. She says they are meant for self defense, but I don't buy it for a moment. She wants to be an action hero. She leaps at every oppertunity to get in on the action. Remember her disappointment when she was knocked out of a fight with a shocker while Jessica and Simpson were able to actually fight back? remember how quickly and willingly she took that red pill to go fight Simpson? most people in her situation don't do it at all, or give the pill to Jessica, or even if they take the pill, don't do it in quite the same eager way.
To me, that's part of why Trish is so likable - she embodies that small part in the viewer of every superhero show that just really, really wished is had super powers. That wants to be the awesome person who saves the day. But she isn't - she was born normal, her profession is as meaningless as could be (not to mention failing to distance her from what her mother wanted), and no matter how hard she tries, she still can't quite compete in the league that Jessica plays in.
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Yeah, that Trish is a real hellcat...
Yeah, that Trish is a real hellcat...
Frikin hilarious!
@ show ragers who didn't get into it: comics are FULL of plot holes, dumb people and contrived coincidences. How the heck would you even HAVE Spider Man if not for a coincidence?
This show for me was not about plot or smarts. Frankly I don't think Jessica is a very good detective. But that's not what the show was for.
Character.
Regardless of the bizarre set ups, the freakish coincidences, and the terrible detective work, these people are all people. Flawed. Broken. Sick.
I mean REALLY sick. Killgrave? I don't really care what happenstance got him out of that cell. When he issues some of his commands, knowing FULL WELL how they'll be carried out? That is BEYOND sick man.
I'm telling you folks: I can't take enough showers to wash away the ugly, sick, darkness that this show portrayed. Daredevil had some grit but this whole show and every character in it showed the absolute WORST of humanity.
The infantilized "group counseling" at the diner. The utter horror that is Killgrave. Cage's temper and obvious chips on his impressive shoulders. The crazy lady upstairs. The main super hero. Trish the dish.
EVERYONE is ruined.
So don't pick the plot apart. Don't watch this show for the nuances of detective work. Don't worry about how things get done or how folks get out of situations. Put yourself into the minds of the people and feel what they're feeling.
Then book some therapy sessions and start scrubbing your body. Spoiler alert: you never really get clean.
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Yeah, that Trish is a real hellcat...Frikin hilarious!
@ show ragers who didn't get into it: comics are FULL of plot holes, dumb people and contrived coincidences. How the heck would you even HAVE Spider Man if not for a coincidence?
This show for me was not about plot or smarts. Frankly I don't think Jessica is a very good detective. But that's not what the show was for.
Character.
Regardless of the bizarre set ups, the freakish coincidences, and the terrible detective work, these people are all people. Flawed. Broken. Sick.
I mean REALLY sick. Killgrave? I don't really care what happenstance got him out of that cell. When he issues some of his commands, knowing FULL WELL how they'll be carried out? That is BEYOND sick man.
I'm telling you folks: I can't take enough showers to wash away the ugly, sick, darkness that this show portrayed. Daredevil had some grit but this whole show and every character in it showed the absolute WORST of humanity.
The infantilized "group counseling" at the diner. The utter horror that is Killgrave. Cage's temper and obvious chips on his impressive shoulders. The crazy lady upstairs. The main super hero. Trish the dish.
EVERYONE is ruined.
So don't pick the plot apart. Don't watch this show for the nuances of detective work. Don't worry about how things get done or how folks get out of situations. Put yourself into the minds of the people and feel what they're feeling.
Then book some therapy sessions and start scrubbing your body. Spoiler alert: you never really get clean.
Couple answers to that.
1) There's a difference between the kind of coincidence in Spiderman in those in Jessica Jones. See in Spider Man, the coincidence is the entire premise of the story - "what if your average geeky high school student was bit by a radioactive spider and got super powers?". Once the initial coincidence is set, though, the story doesn't have much to do with it. Essentially, almost every story ever is based to some degree or another on a coincidence. I mean, just the heroes being exceptional humans who can face the challenges ahead of them is already an unlikely coincidence that you really can't find a fantasy or science fiction story without.
But when every single advancement in the plot of your entire 12 hour long TV show is based on an incredibly unlikely happenstence, the suspension of disbelief is broken completely. It feels like everything is arbitrary and random and things would never have quite happened like that even if you buy into the initial premise of all those people with super powers and all that. That's not part of the comic book vibe - that's bad writing. As other, superior movies and shows based on comics showed us, things don't have to be like this.
2) Jessica is a pretty atrocious PI. That's part of her character. She's not in any way a real detective, it's just a new thing she picked up after escaping Killgrave, and probably because she was stalking Luke anyway. This shows was never about detective work, and I'm completely fine with that, even if that does make the first episode somewhat misdirecting.
3) Most people in this show are seriously flawed, and in a belivable way. Character development really is the main selling point of the show, as the story and the action are below average. I still don't get why you would include Trish in your "need to shower away the slimy feeling" group. She's wonderful - not ideal, for sure, but she never does anything overtly wrong or pathetic, she's very likable and well intentioned. And really really pretty, which has to count for something, right? I kind of really want to see how well Trish and Foggy (my favorite character from Daredevil) could get along, in some future Defenders show.
Couple answers to that.
1) There's a difference between the kind of coincidence in Spiderman in those in Jessica Jones. See in Spider Man, the coincidence is the entire premise of the story - "what if your average geeky high school student was bit by a radioactive spider and got super powers?". Once the initial coincidence is set, though, the story doesn't have much to do with it. Essentially, almost every...
Jessica Jones has about the same degree of coincidences as Spiderman, if maybe less. Spiderman's mortal enemy is...his best friend's dad. his best friend later goes on to take the mantle of Green Goblin. His rival at the Daily Bugle...also becomes a super-villain. Hell...another supervillain eventually becomes engaged/married (can't remember which) his aunt.
That one of Killgrave's victims happened to be a member of a supersoldier program (which are practically a dime a dozen in marvel comics) isn't really all that bad of a coincidence.
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That one of Killgrave's victims happened to be a member of a supersoldier program (which are practically a dime a dozen in marvel comics) isn't really all that bad of a coincidence.
Cinematic Marvel's been tying things together like crazy anyway. Hulk is yet another attempt at replicating the super-soldier formula. Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are tied into the Infinity Stones.
The TV side also has streamlined some stuff to tie things together and consolidate some of the 'loose' origin stories to stuff already introduced. DaisyQuake's an Inhuman. Deathlok's a Hydra invention.
Coincidence never really seemed to bother me in my escape-from-reality hobbies. Consider the premise of some Pathfinder games (which ostensibly is why we're all posting to the Paizo forums): 4 unlikely heroes just happen to bump into one another and stumble into being the ONLY four folks in the world who can stop a terrible plot despite many movers and shakers more powerful than them living in said world.
And to your point #1 oh Tusked One, yes; the plot of JJ is moved along by things that seem arbitrary, out of control, like the universe is just playing some sick game. Kind of like the main villain is with Jessica.
You WANT someone to take charge. If only JJ would just stop drinking, clear her head, and think for a minute! If only that kid upstairs would just take the hint that she's not into him! If only Luke would get some therapy!
But they don't.
Now I'm not saying that, in review the writers didn't take some amazing liberties with things. For example
There are a lot of these and they drive the plot forward but some of them COULD'VE been avoided, if only the characters had been less broken. A simple pat down would've saved Hope in the first episode. Why didn't it happen? Because despite her super-ness, powers and the fact she's a recovering Killgrave victim, Jessica is also near-constantly drinking and never really thinking clearly.
She's BROKEN. That's why she doesn't stop Hope in that first episode.
We can debate which coincidences are or aren't kosher all day. The bottom line is: some folks didn't like this show. Sorry that you spent all that time not liking something. All I can speak to is that I loved this show and am going back to re-watch it over for the really sick, creepy parts.
Now... Smile!
Yeah, which is why the fact that she pulled a karma Houdini is so annoying. Jeri was easily the worst part of that show.
Yeah, which is why the fact that she pulled a karma Houdini is so annoying. Jeri was easily the worst part of that show.
not completely...she lost her job and her lover has both been charged with murder and also pretty much hates her guts.
When did she lose her job? It looked like she was still at the firm at the end.
And she "lost her lover" by THROWING HER UNDER THE BUS for saving her worthless life. Excuse me if I can't garner any sympathy for her.
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I don't recall Jeri throwing her secretary under the bus. I recall her pleading with her to let her represent her in court, to at the very least get a more lenient sentencing. Her lover was the one that told her, in no uncertain terms, that she'd rather be in jail and away from her than let her represent her. Jeri gets her comeuppance in the only way that matters to her - she loses everything she thought she cared about.
I also don't recall her losing her job, though if her wife's blackmail ever came to light, she'd be disbarred in a heartbeat.
In any event, they had to break Jeri down so her redemptive arc could begin in Iron Fist. That's why you're not seeing it here.
The only reason she needed a lawyer in the first place is because Jeri didn't testify that it was in defense of her own life.
But Jeri didn't want anybody looking too closely at the circumstances surrounding the death of her soon-to-be ex-wife (the blackmail and all), so she settled for blaming her secretary/girlfriend and then trying to represent her to get a more lenient sentencing.
She "gets her comeuppance" by ruining somebody ELSE' life, and getting to keep all her money, influence, and power. Which is all she REALLY cares about. Whoop dee f@!*ing doo.
Any redemption arc had better be damn good because she's not only a despicable human being, she's a complete imbecile for letting Kilgrave loose in the first place. She has to show herself to be both redeemed AND competent again. Which is a pretty tall order.
As Krensky said, Jeri is another Killgrave-esque character. She's incredibly selfish and manipulative, to the point where her beloved fiance is - as Rynjin said - thrown under the bus.
I find the character interesting as a parallel to Kevin, for whom I did feel some pity due to his being tortured as a kid. The video does not make his parents sympathetic at all. And when they say they were only trying to save his life, it doesn't quite balance out (for me) the way they went about it.
Shades of gray. All of them.
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Coincidence never really seemed to bother me in my escape-from-reality hobbies. Consider the premise of some Pathfinder games (which ostensibly is why we're all posting to the Paizo forums): 4 unlikely heroes just happen to bump into one another and stumble into being the ONLY four folks in the world who can stop a terrible plot despite many movers and shakers more powerful than them living in said world.
And to your point #1 oh Tusked One, yes; the plot of JJ is moved along by things that seem arbitrary, out of control, like the universe is just playing some sick game. Kind of like the main villain is with Jessica.
You WANT someone to take charge. If only JJ would just stop drinking, clear her head, and think for a minute! If only that kid upstairs would just take the hint that she's not into him! If only Luke would get some therapy!
But they don't.
Now I'm not saying that, in review the writers didn't take some amazing liberties with things. For example
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There are a lot of these and they drive the plot forward but some of them COULD'VE been avoided, if only the characters had been less broken. A simple pat down would've saved Hope in the first episode. Why didn't it happen? Because despite her super-ness, powers and the fact she's a recovering Killgrave victim, Jessica is also near-constantly drinking and never really thinking clearly.
She's BROKEN. That's why she doesn't stop Hope in that first episode.
We can debate which coincidences are or aren't kosher all day. The bottom line is: some folks didn't like this show. Sorry that you spent all that time not liking something. All I can speak to is that I loved this show and am going back to...
To clarify, I did like the show, but the borderline insulting plot was a very weak link in it. What I liked was the character development - mostly of Trish but to a lesser degree of many others - and some individual strong moments. However, it is my least favorite among all the Marvel shows I watched so far.
As for the coincidences - I will say again that I see a major difference between "your story needed a coincidence to get the premise going" or even "some pretty big plot moments in your story are the results of unlikely coincidences", to "every single important event in the last 6 episodes has been not only coincidental but also incredibly unlikely." The former two are parts of storytelling and of real life. The latter is a sign of bad writing at best, or of disregard of the intelligence of the viewer at worst.