Yeah, Jessica is a weird example of a character with super strength but without ANY degree of super durability...which by all rights should mean her tendons rip and bones snap when she lifts something heavy or lands after a leap, and her hand should break every time she super punches something or someone.
I would just shrug it off with "Eh, comic book logic" but the two are so often inextricably tied as Required Secondary Powers it's weird to see an example of it without. Especially in the same show as Luke Cage being a straight example.
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She's soft on the outside, but I'm willing to accept her bones and tendons are super strong. Super strong muscle fibers only in the compression axis but not in the shearing axis (i.e. muscle fibers wrappers i.e. fascia like a normal human)
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Still, I'm trying to think of other examples. Bobby DaCosta is the only one off the top of my head.
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Could also be explained by her strength being TK rather than super strong body.
Still, I'm trying to think of other examples. Bobby DaCosta is the only one off the top of my head.
Spider-Man, technically, but he's been getting punched by people who can lift 10 tons forever, and isn't a smear on the pavement, so he's clearly got some sort of toughness (or writer's fiat) going on.
Thor used to be only 'three times as dense' as a normal person, and had to block bullets by swinging his hammer, but that's gone away as well, as has Wonder Woman not being bulletproof and having to block bullets with her bracers.
Most of the 'just strong' people seem to end up with ever-increasing levels of toughness anyway, since they are generally getting in punchfights with people who punch at their level.
But in the comics, Jessica did have a degree of super-toughness, as well as flight, so who knows what was intended for the MCU version.
Honestly, she takes a beating in this and comes out injured but not dead. Not really sure how much super toughness she has, but it seems like some.
A normal, weak to the point of being frail human knocked her out in a single blow.
She did mention however that she has super healing, which probably helps compensate for the lack of super durability
She can't punch through steel with her nails, as shown in scenes of bloody nails while digging in dirt (or so I think it's dirt).
If that is the scene I am thinking of, that isn't dirt...that's concrete.
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I will start by saying I only read about half the thread. Hoping for a few folks to sound off for me about my experience. The GF and I watched the first two episodes and I guess there must be something wrong with me. I thought it was a really boring pile of cliches. I dont read comics so ill admit I didnt know what to expect from JJ. The only thing we found really interesting was Killgrave.
With that said, should I just forget about this show at this point since its clearly not making an impression? Does it get better? Is there enough Killgrave to make continuing worth it? Not looking for spoilers just some advice based on my experience so far.
Thanks folks.
Kilgrave is an *extremely* compelling villain, in my view, Pan. If you've enjoyed what you've seen of him so far, the remaining 11 episodes will only give you more and more of that.
I think Jessica's relationships with both her neighbors and with Luke also really help drive the show, but it, admittedly, takes a few more episodes for that foundation to really be present.
It's kinda like Daredevil, very slow burn approach. Jessica Jones takes off a hell of a lot quicker though.
Not sure the premise is nearly common enough to be a cliche though, much less a pile of them. If you're talking about the noir aspects (hard drinking, broken detective and such), that's basically the genre, not really a cliche. That'd be like saying "Magic exists" is a Fantasy cliche.
I dunno, it didn't really hook me until the end of episode 3. Without spoiling any specifics, that's when Kilgrave starts being shown as a true THREAT, and the paranoia aspects start to set in.
I binged it so fast I'm not really sure which episode is which, but the show really is all about Killgrave, not just bits and pieces of him here and there.
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It's kinda like Daredevil, very slow burn approach. Jessica Jones takes off a hell of a lot quicker though.
Not sure the premise is nearly common enough to be a cliche though, much less a pile of them. If you're talking about the noir aspects (hard drinking, broken detective and such), that's basically the genre, not really a cliche. That'd be like saying "Magic exists" is a Fantasy cliche.
I loved DD and slow burn is not an issue for me.
Actually, I would disagree that a hard drinking private detective with a "screw the world" attitude is genre for noir. Thats like saying any fantasy without a copy of Gandolf isnt genre. Any fantasy or noir can include such aspects, but it doesn't eliminate them if they have say, a successful together insurance investigator, or a magician who isnt old and wise. Mages and detectives are not cliche, just some of the ways they are portrayed are.
I think most of my problem with the show is Jessica herself. I just dont find her sympathetic or appealing. Also, (im sure ill get ridiculed for this) I dont think Ritter is a very good actor. So I guess my problem is more with the character and actor than the setting. I am pleased to hear Killgrave is a big part of the show! However, if Killgrave is defeated or killed it would probably end the show for me, as I have little interest in JJ and her story. I'll probably move this to the bottom of my queue for a showhole day.
Thanks again folks.
It's kinda like Daredevil, very slow burn approach. Jessica Jones takes off a hell of a lot quicker though.
Not sure the premise is nearly common enough to be a cliche though, much less a pile of them. If you're talking about the noir aspects (hard drinking, broken detective and such), that's basically the genre, not really a cliche. That'd be like saying "Magic exists" is a Fantasy cliche.
I loved DD and slow burn is not an issue for me.
Actually, I would disagree that a hard drinking private detective with a "screw the world" attitude is genre for noir. Thats like saying any fantasy without a copy of Gandolf isnt genre. Any fantasy or noir can include such aspects, but it doesn't eliminate them if they have say, a successful together insurance investigator, or a magician who isnt old and wise. Mages and detectives are not cliche, just some of the ways they are portrayed are.
I think most of my problem with the show is Jessica herself. I just dont find her sympathetic or appealing. Also, (im sure ill get ridiculed for this) I dont think Ritter is a very good actor. So I guess my problem is more with the character and actor than the setting. I am pleased to hear Killgrave is a big part of the show! However, if Killgrave is defeated or killed it would probably end the show for me, as I have little interest in JJ and her story. I'll probably move this to the bottom of my queue for a showhole day.
Thanks again folks.
Well the entire show is her vs. Kilgrave so....the show will "end for you" pretty much when the show ends so no worries there.
and Kilgrave is ...horrifying. Just the casual way he victimizes people without any empathy or acknowledgement of responsibility. Tennant carried it off spendidly
I will start by saying I only read about half the thread. Hoping for a few folks to sound off for me about my experience. The GF and I watched the first two episodes and I guess there must be something wrong with me. I thought it was a really boring pile of cliches. I dont read comics so ill admit I didnt know what to expect from JJ. The only thing we found really interesting was Killgrave.
With that said, should I just forget about this show at this point since its clearly not making an impression? Does it get better? Is there enough Killgrave to make continuing worth it? Not looking for spoilers just some advice based on my experience so far.
Thanks folks.
I felt it was a bit of a chore to get through myself. I also don't find JJ a very interesting character. Kilgrave is by far my favorite part fo the show
I mostly kept going for fear of missing some super link between the shows to come... and there really isn't one. Luke Cage shows up... There are a few hints about Daredevil being around in the same universe... but over all if you've seen the first two and don't care for it... you won't miss much by skipping it.
It's worth watching just to see how horrifying a mind controller can be, especially with amp up powers.
JJ struggles with her conscience, but there was only one logical way to end the threat. Mr Spock would have dealt with him by the 2nd episode, but then it wouldn't have been much of a series.
Casual Mind Control in the hands of a sociopath really is horrifying.
I keep thinking back to that poor nightclub guy that got told to "face that fence forever"
I personally find JJ to be one of the most interesting characters on TV I've seen in a long time, so I don't understand your complaints that well.
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This Craced article explains so much so well
I have several female friends who were abused. They watched the show and find it amazing in it's accurate portrayal of things.
JJ is a very mature show. It's not for everyone. But it should be. Everyone should watch it. Every. One.
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This Craced article explains so much so well
I have several female friends who were abused. They watched the show and find it amazing in it's accurate portrayal of things.
JJ is a very mature show. It's not for everyone. But it should be. Everyone should watch it. Every. One.
Thank you
This Craced article explains so much so well
I have several female friends who were abused. They watched the show and find it amazing in it's accurate portrayal of things.
JJ is a very mature show. It's not for everyone. But it should be. Everyone should watch it. Every. One.
I was just coming here to post this. Jessica Jones spent months as Killgrave's pet and plaything. She's damaged. If you don't like her, you're actually empathizing with her, because she doesn't like herself. Sure, she could just kill him, but then she and everybody Killgrave has damaged can't prove that anything was actually done to them, and that's important.
The show is just really good on a lot of levels, and you won't get them all if you give up after the first couple of episodes.
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This Craced article explains so much so well
I have several female friends who were abused. They watched the show and find it amazing in it's accurate portrayal of things.
JJ is a very mature show. It's not for everyone. But it should be. Everyone should watch it. Every. One.
Everyone that's at least 16 years old I think... and no more than 55 years old. Not in my presence at least! LOL (i.e. very bad idea to watch it with your children, parents, in-laws, etc.; this show is better appreciated as a private viewing... if you're in a room with a buddy, etc., things may be weird as with all shows with naughty scenes... even though those are pretty short)
I absolutely LOVED the show. I watched it alone. I wouldn't watch it with my wife who has no patience for superhero or supernatural stuff... I would not watch it with my male friends either.
That, to me, is the main difference between JJ and DD: you can watch DD with anyone. It's a dude. It has no sex scenes (just a kiss with that nurse; nothing more). And the whole story is closer to reality than JJ (if someone doesn't know anything about DD, he wouldn't know he's got powers... just a well trained blind guy)
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I honestly couldn't care less if someone gets uncomfortable while watching a sex scene which is nowhere as explicit as it could be in an R rated show like this.
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You're welcome. I know what the consequences of rape and abuse are. I've seen them on my friend's faces and heard it in their voice. I also had an abusive father. Thankfully, by age of 16 I was strong enough to send his scrawny ass to the hospital after he tried striking my mother and I do not fear him now. But I know the feeling of helplessness.
I think most of my problem with the show is Jessica herself. I just dont find her sympathetic or appealing. Also, (im sure ill get ridiculed for this) I dont think Ritter is a very good actor. So I guess my problem is more with the character and actor than the setting. I am pleased to hear Killgrave is a big part of the show! However, if Killgrave is defeated or killed it would probably end the show for me, as I have little interest in JJ and her story. I'll probably move this to the bottom of my queue for a showhole day.
Thanks again folks.
Well, there's your problem. If you don't like the character, and you don't like the actor, you're probably not going to like the series.
I happen to like her as an actress, and so I find that she does quite well with the role. I haven't seen her in a lot, so I don't know her range, but she seems to work well with this type.
Spider-Man, technically, but he's been getting punched by people who can lift 10 tons forever, and isn't a smear on the pavement, so he's clearly got some sort of toughness (or writer's fiat) going on.And 12 tons (Scorpion), although that still falls under Incredible rank.
Spidey himself can lift 10 tons. He's been known to roughly double that if under sufficient stress. Still not in Superman's weight class, though.
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Spidey himself can lift 10 tons. He's been known to roughly double that if under sufficient stress. Still not in Superman's weight class, though.Spider-Man, technically, but he's been getting punched by people who can lift 10 tons forever, and isn't a smear on the pavement, so he's clearly got some sort of toughness (or writer's fiat) going on.And 12 tons (Scorpion), although that still falls under Incredible rank.
I would never take a DC vs Marvel comic to show the real strengths of any of the characters involved. Every time there has been a crossover, it has been negotiated so Superman and Batman can't lose on the DC side, and Wolverine and Hulk can't lose on the Marvel side.
Yes Superman would beat Spiderman. But it's not an accurate representation of Spiderman's abilities. He should have avoided the shockwave of that punch because of spidey-sense telling him to jump away before Supes threw the punch.
He's not in Superman's league, but he still good enough to make Superman have to do a little work for it.
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Eh, we can play the what-if game all day.
"Superman would pull his punch, but the shockwave would fling Spidey back across the street!"
"Nah, Spidey's spider-sense would go off, and he'd be well out of the way when Supes strikes!"
"This is the guy that flew around the world fast enough to turn back the Earth's rotation. Spidey can't dodge that fast!"
"Oh, come on, that's not even comic book canon!"
Honestly, girls, you're both pretty. Stop fighting.
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Well, it's not really what-if in this case. Canonically, Superman can fly many hundreds if not thousands of times faster than the speed of light and LIFT INFINITY.
Any argument of "Superman vs Whoever" basically always ends with "Superman wins" because he's literally written as being basically invincible in canon.
The entire question is silly.
Now, who would win in a fight between Spider-man and Aquaman?
Aquaman would pulverize Spider-man. I men he gave Superman pause for pete's sake.
Depends on the version, I think. Even discounting the shitty Super-Friends version, his power has fluctuated a lot from what I've seen, as has Superman's (though Superman's upper limits are a looooot higher).
Like, the DCAU version can fight Wonder Woman to a standstill, but both Wonder Woman and Superman are far, far weaker than their comics counterparts, and Superman is still stronger than both of them there.
Spider-Man is no lightweight himself. He's got combat precognition, and he's more agile than most non-speedsters, and has quite a bit of super-strength himself. I think he could probably wear Aquaman down over time.
Of course Aquaman can apparently scramble people's brains with his mind, so maybe you're right.
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In other news... So that show, Jessica Jones. It's pretty dang good!
Well, it's not really what-if in this case. Canonically, Superman can fly many hundreds if not thousands of times faster than the speed of light and LIFT INFINITY.
Any argument of "Superman vs Whoever" basically always ends with "Superman wins" because he's literally written as being basically invincible in canon.
The entire question is silly.
While I agree that being invincible is the whole premise of Superman's powers... The whole "can lift infinity and move thousands of times faster than light" doesn't make sense even for DC standards... It's the type of thing that is mentioned without thought to justify the current scene being shown in the panels, but isn't reflect anywhere else in the story... So it ends up being more likely that the characters were mistaken/lying/exaggerating than a case of actual limitless power.
(And let's not forget that Superman has been shown to be severely damaged by all sorts of non-infinite forces)
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In other news... So that show, Jessica Jones. It's pretty dang good!
It is... Though I still like DD's series better.
Don't make me laugh. Superman could smear Batman if he wanted. He doesn't.Any argument of "Superman vs Whoever" basically always ends with "Superman wins" because he's literally written as being basically invincible in canon.Except against Batman.
Pfff... Even infinite power is no match to plot armor and writer favoritism!
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Batman is the comics equivalent of a true Schrodinger's Wizard. Any time he needs to beat someone, he is assumed to have planned their demise for months in advance and has exactly what is needed to beat them.
"Aha Superman, you have punched me in the face and I am beeding profusely! But what you didn't know is I planned for this contingency and bonded my blood cells to PURE KRYPTONITE. And now your hands are covered in it! The cancer was entirely worth it."