Nope.
A lot of people houserule Anti-Paladins to be Lawful Evil though.
There is a 3rd party class for that.
There is the hellknight PrC that can be used to get the LE paladin vibe.
There is a 3rd party class for that.
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There was the 3rd party archetype in Way of the Wicked part 5 that essentially did this. Coincidentally, it was designed by Jason Bulmahn.
Whoops... I guess I didn't read this all that well.
Continue on.
Inquisitor looks pretty close to paladin and can be of any alignment.
In 3.5, there were variations of the paladin for each extreme alignment. If you used these optional rules, the base (LG) paladin was renamed paladin of honor, CG was paladin of freedom, CE was paladin of slaughter, and LE was paladin of tyranny.
The Pathfinder paladin is sufficiently different from the 3.5 paladin, however, that I fear these templates would require a great deal of modification.
No...but you could have a paladin that hangs out with hellknights.
The oath against Chaos switches the normal paladin focus from fighting evil to fighting chaos- smite chaos (as well as an ability to spend lay on hands to do normal smite evil), detect chaos. That kind of stuff.
The idea is that to these paladins, lawbreakers are some of the worst things imaginable. They focus a lot on the idea of bandits, and rebellions, both of which can leave the nation' defenses weak against invaders.
So...anyway... it is an archetype where you 'conveniently' lack the ability to detect evil. I'm sure your bosses are totally on the up and up though. Totally. That whole 'hell' thing is just a nice scary motif.
No...but you could have a paladin that hangs out with hellknights.
The oath against Chaos switches the normal paladin focus from fighting evil to fighting chaos- smite chaos (as well as an ability to spend lay on hands to do normal smite evil), detect chaos. That kind of stuff.
The idea is that to these paladins, lawbreakers are some of the worst things imaginable. They focus a lot on the idea of bandits, and rebellions, both of which can leave the nation' defenses weak against invaders.
So...anyway... it is an archetype where you 'conveniently' lack the ability to detect evil. I'm sure your bosses are totally on the up and up though. Totally. That whole 'hell' thing is just a nice scary motif.
Make them a Paladin of Abadar to double-down on the anti-chaos bit. Their code isn't very goody-two-shoes.
I always houserule paladins to be of any alignment as it quite frankly makes no sense that only lawful good gods would have holy or unholy warriors.
I always houserule paladins to be of any alignment as it quite frankly makes no sense that only lawful good gods would have holy or unholy warriors.
That was, I think, what they were trying to do with warpriests. I'd personally rather they eliminated paladin and anti-paladin when the added warpriests but that's just me.
I always houserule paladins to be of any alignment as it quite frankly makes no sense that only lawful good gods would have holy or unholy warriors.That was, I think, what they were trying to do with warpriests. I'd personally rather they eliminated paladin and anti-paladin when the added warpriests but that's just me.
The warpriest is (or rather turned out) quite weak, i wouldn't want him to replace the paladin and antipaladin.
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Paladins are Lawful Good.
Period.
A Paladin is the ultimate heroic ideal that gains their power not just from a God, a mistake that many people make, but from a pure and unwaivering dedication to altruism.
The reason you can't have a LE, LN, CG, CN, NG, TN, NE or even CE Paladin is because its impossible to do what they do if you are even the tiniest bit selfish or if you were willing to waiver even a tiny bit in your dedication to the cause.
Anyone can be a Holy Warrior.
Those are Clerics, Warpriests, etc.
Paladins are special.
In the Lore a Paladin doesn't just choose, "I'm gonna be a Paladin!"
They are called. Then they have one chance to answer that call.
A NG may be dedicated to Good but by the "Neutral" part will not adhere to a code if that code interferes with them.
A CG may be dedicated to Good but would never submit to a code.
A TN lacks any drive to tap that which makes a Paladin a Paladin.
A LN is able to abide a code, but is selfish, they don't have what it takes to give up everything and truly be altruistic.
A LE is in the same boat as the LN, but only even more so. As they are not only selfish but they actively seek to better themselves at the cost of others.
A CN lacks the focus needed to be a Paladin.
A CE will not abide a code and is wholly selfish with no care for others. A monster. With that monstrosity comes its own power.
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Another reason a LN wouldn't be a Paladin is that a Paladin has to be wholly invested in their God or Cause to the point that they give themselves up, an act wholly Good, to it of their own free will without compulsion.
Nothing non-Good can do that. All non-Goods are selfish. Not to an extraordinary degree necessarily mind you but by not being Good they are in some small way Evil.
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Non-Paladin "Goods" are often in small ways evil too. That's why a Paladin falls if they perform even ONE evil act.If a Paladin is treated by a GM as just being a "Warrior of a God" then that GM is doing it wrong. Paladins are special. They should be treated as such.
I really can't understand this viewpoint. Good alignments are not the 'best' alignments, nor is Lawful Good the 'best' Good.
A Lawful Neutral character can easily be a champion of Law, selflessly and wholly.
The warpriest is (or rather turned out) quite weak, i wouldn't want him to replace the paladin and antipaladin.I always houserule paladins to be of any alignment as it quite frankly makes no sense that only lawful good gods would have holy or unholy warriors.That was, I think, what they were trying to do with warpriests. I'd personally rather they eliminated paladin and anti-paladin when the added warpriests but that's just me.
Yeah, they kind of missed a good chance on that. Maybe expand some of their self-buffing abilities to get them to be better as a front-liner. Oh, well...
Paladins are Lawful Good.
Period.
A Paladin is the ultimate heroic ideal that gains their power not just from a God, a mistake that many people make, but from a pure and unwaivering dedication to altruism.
The reason you can't have a LE, LN, CG, CN, NG, TN, NE or even CE Paladin is because its impossible to do what they do if you are even the tiniest bit selfish or if you were willing to waiver even a tiny bit in your dedication to the cause.
Anyone can be a Holy Warrior.
Those are Clerics, Warpriests, etc.
Paladins are special.
In the Lore a Paladin doesn't just choose, "I'm gonna be a Paladin!"
They are called. Then they have one chance to answer that call.
A NG may be dedicated to Good but by the "Neutral" part will not adhere to a code if that code interferes with them.
A CG may be dedicated to Good but would never submit to a code.
A TN lacks any drive to tap that which makes a Paladin a Paladin.
A LN is able to abide a code, but is selfish, they don't have what it takes to give up everything and truly be altruistic.
A LE is in the same boat as the LN, but only even more so. As they are not only selfish but they actively seek to better themselves at the cost of others.
A CN lacks the focus needed to be a Paladin.
A CE will not abide a code and is wholly selfish with no care for others. A monster. With that monstrosity comes its own power.
I completely disagree with this. A paladin is a chosen holy warrior of their god or a philosophy. Any god or philosophy would have paladins dedicated to their respective causes. You seem to suffer from the idea that only good alignments are the ones that matter. Any and all alignments can be "called" to serve a "higher" or "lower" purpose.
The warpriest is (or rather turned out) quite weak, i wouldn't want him to replace the paladin and antipaladin.I always houserule paladins to be of any alignment as it quite frankly makes no sense that only lawful good gods would have holy or unholy warriors.That was, I think, what they were trying to do with warpriests. I'd personally rather they eliminated paladin and anti-paladin when the added warpriests but that's just me.
Warpriests are not weak but they are not as good as a class as the paladin/anti paladin. They should have kept the full BAB they had back in the playtest.
Are there any archetypes or ways that you could make a lawful evil paladin? I know Antipaladin is chaotic evil, but are there any other choices?
Can always do a Lawful Evil Inquisitor or Warpriest. Take destruction domains and you get your smite.
And it is not like a lawful evil being should be curing maladies or healing others so lay hands and mercies would be silly on a lawful evil anyways.
Warpriests are not weak but they are not as good as a class as the paladin/anti paladin. They should have kept the full BAB they had back in the playtest.The warpriest is (or rather turned out) quite weak, i wouldn't want him to replace the paladin and antipaladin.I always houserule paladins to be of any alignment as it quite frankly makes no sense that only lawful good gods would have holy or unholy warriors.That was, I think, what they were trying to do with warpriests. I'd personally rather they eliminated paladin and anti-paladin when the added warpriests but that's just me.
That's what i meant, weaker than the paladin/anti paladin, also weaker than a combat cleric (or battle oracle) on the high-ish (10+) levels.
Yeah, they kind of missed a good chance on that. Maybe expand some of their self-buffing abilities to get them to be better as a front-liner. Oh, well...The warpriest is (or rather turned out) quite weak, i wouldn't want him to replace the paladin and antipaladin.I always houserule paladins to be of any alignment as it quite frankly makes no sense that only lawful good gods would have holy or unholy warriors.That was, I think, what they were trying to do with warpriests. I'd personally rather they eliminated paladin and anti-paladin when the added warpriests but that's just me.
*because the class is really choked with swift actions, seriously don't even think of playing a warpriest in a mythic game
Are there any archetypes or ways that you could make a lawful evil paladin? I know Antipaladin is chaotic evil, but are there any other choices?Can always do a Lawful Evil Inquisitor or Warpriest. Take destruction domains and you get your smite.
And it is not like a lawful evil being should be curing maladies or healing others so lay hands and mercies would be silly on a lawful evil anyways.
What's wrong with someone evil healing? It's cheaper and easier to patch up your existing minions than to procure and train new ones.
I've always done it that Chaotic Paladins have the Antipaladins debuff auras, Lawful have Paladins Buff auras; Good have Paladins lay on hands, spells, smite, mercies, aura and detect, and DR, evil gets antipaladins version of those. True Neutral (although hardly ever done) gets antimagic stuff instead and all abilities are EX or SU.
Lawful Good may not be the best Good, but it can claim to be the 'highest' good, because is the most restricted of the Good alignments. The range of actions open to it is less then NG, whereas the entirety of what LG can do is open to the NG.
It can be argued that the greater openness of NG makes it a 'better' Good then LG. That same argument can then be used for CG to claim it is even better then CG, yet the selfishness inherent in CG can also be its greatest distractor and hindrance.
So, I posit LG as the highest Good and ideal, and NG as the best good and pragmatic one, and CG as the most laid-back and convenient one.
LN isn't about suppressing 'personal' morality, by the way, it's about ignoring morality entirely and just obeying the law, which is kind of like removing the soul so the body stays alive. When spirit and body of law are in tune, LG is triumphant and society flourishes. As you remove the one or the other, rot starts to step it and begins the long decline.
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See a Lawful Good isn't even held to the standards of a Paladin.
That's what makes a Paladin more "good" than a Lawful Good.
Not really. The standards of a paladin aren't that hard to uphold.
A man isn't a paladin because he follows the code. The code is describing him, not the other way around.
However you cannot perform a non-evil act.
I'm afraid you lost me there. Paladins and antipaladins are allowed to perform Neutral acts.
One of my favorite lines is from the FR book of deities, SKR wrote, for Tempus: War is inherently Neutral in that it oppresses all sides.
And yes, paladins can go to war.
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I'm afraid you lost me there. Paladins and antipaladins are allowed to perform Neutral acts.There is no such thing as a Neutral act save for taking no action.
So, what is the paladin eating breakfast? I wouldn't call it a good act: he could be giving that toast to a begger, and he murdered several unborn chickens for his eggs and a pig for the bacon.
So does that mean eating breakfast is evil? Well it's not good, and if all non-good things are evil...
Guess Paladins can't eat breakfast.